[opensource-dev] [IDEA] Access to Object content without rezzing. (was: Open Viewer Development Announcement)

2010-08-17 Thread Boroondas Gupte
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On 08/17/2010 01:52 PM, mysticaldem...@xrgrid.com wrote
https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/2010-August/002520.html:

 [...] V1.23 as well, makes designing take much
 longer than it should.  Like having to rezz objects to edit their contents.
 Ever have to rezz hundreds of boxes to update something? Or correct the
 permissions.  Have to rezz a box to get to its contents I think is one of
 the most difficult things for new people.  Having to rezz objects to get to
 stuff, then copy to inventory, then find it in inventory, etc.
I have made a suggestion on how to solve this UI-wise at VWR-2427 Allow
objects containing other items to be expanded within the Inventory
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2427. I'd like to hear about
other approaches, too!

The main problem when coming up with complete solution for these use
cases is, though, that they'll probably require some fundamental changes
on the (non-opensource) server side:

As far as I know, currently, Object Inventory is served by the Region,
and the Region only knows about rezzed Objects. So either a way would
have to be added for the Region to proxy non-rezzed Objects to the
client or clients would have to be granted direct (or other indirect)
access to the asset storage system.

I think the same goes for the Object assets themselves, so these
restrictions not only apply to manipulating an Object's content, but
also to editing the Object itself without rezzing it (e.g. changing it's
size, shape or color).

I don't know if the AD
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Agent_Domain/RD
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Region_Domain separation of
OGP/AWG/VWRAP will help here, thus CCing their mailing list. Maybe
someone from there can shed some light on this.

cheers
Boroondas
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Re: [opensource-dev] [IDEA] Access to Object content without rezzing. (was: Open Viewer Development Announcement)

2010-08-17 Thread Marine Kelley
Eep ! I hope it won't bring its own share of permission defects ! This is
VERY sensitive matter that is being fiddled with here !


On 17 August 2010 16:31, Boroondas Gupte slli...@boroon.dasgupta.ch wrote:

  [I'm cross posting this to several mailing lists to solicit feedback. To
 avoid clutter, please *do not reply to all of them* when answering, unless
 there's a valid reason to do so. To avoid scattering the discussion, please
 *do reply to 
 sl...@lists.secondlife.comhttps://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sl-ux
 * when answering. Thanks!]

 On 08/17/2010 01:52 PM, mysticaldem...@xrgrid.com 
 wrotehttps://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/2010-August/002520.html:


 [...] V1.23 as well, makes designing take much
 longer than it should.  Like having to rezz objects to edit their contents.
 Ever have to rezz hundreds of boxes to update something? Or correct the
 permissions.  Have to rezz a box to get to its contents I think is one of
 the most difficult things for new people.  Having to rezz objects to get to
 stuff, then copy to inventory, then find it in inventory, etc.

  I have made a suggestion on how to solve this UI-wise at VWR-2427 Allow
 objects containing other items to be expanded within the 
 Inventoryhttp://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2427.
 I'd like to hear about other approaches, too!

 The main problem when coming up with complete solution for these use cases
 is, though, that they'll probably require some fundamental changes on the
 (non-opensource) server side:

 As far as I know, currently, Object Inventory is served by the Region, and
 the Region only knows about rezzed Objects. So either a way would have to be
 added for the Region to proxy non-rezzed Objects to the client or clients
 would have to be granted direct (or other indirect) access to the asset
 storage system.

 I think the same goes for the Object assets themselves, so these
 restrictions not only apply to manipulating an Object's content, but also to
 editing the Object itself without rezzing it (e.g. changing it's size, shape
 or color).

 I don't know if the AD 
 https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Agent_Domain/RDhttps://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Region_Domainseparation
  of OGP/AWG/VWRAP will help here, thus CCing their mailing list.
 Maybe someone from there can shed some light on this.

 cheers
 Boroondas

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