Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 14:30, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message on Tue, 25 Sep > 2018 14:15:32 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > >> On 25/09/18 14:09, Tim Hudson wrote: >>> It would also mean our LTS releases are MAJOR.MINOR - as the PATCH is >>> the fixes we will apply - so it isn't part of the LTS

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 14:21, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message on Tue, 25 Sep > 2018 14:11:11 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > >> >> >> On 25/09/18 13:54, Richard Levitte wrote: >>> In message <896ece72-8923-801e-b97d-5a1b21c9c...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 >>> Sep 2018 13:37:45 +0100, Matt Caswell said:

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message on Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:15:32 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > On 25/09/18 14:09, Tim Hudson wrote: > > It would also mean our LTS releases are MAJOR.MINOR - as the PATCH is > > the fixes we will apply - so it isn't part of the LTS designation as such. > > e.g. 5.0.x would be the marker -

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message on Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:11:11 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > > On 25/09/18 13:54, Richard Levitte wrote: > > In message <896ece72-8923-801e-b97d-5a1b21c9c...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 > > Sep 2018 13:37:45 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > > >>> And that is what semantic versioning is

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 13:25, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message on Tue, 25 Sep > 2018 12:22:44 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > >> >> >> On 25/09/18 12:12, Richard Levitte wrote: >>> In message <98774a3e-d127-dcd9-c835-3b359d69b...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 >>> Sep 2018 11:53:48 +0100, Matt Caswell said:

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 14:09, Tim Hudson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM Matt Caswell > wrote: > > You're right on this one. I misread the diff. > > > Not a problem - you are doing the look-at-what-we-did and how it would > be impacted - and that is certainly what

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 13:54, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message <896ece72-8923-801e-b97d-5a1b21c9c...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 Sep > 2018 13:37:45 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > >>> And that is what semantic versioning is about - it is about the API. >>> So if you add to the API you change either MINOR

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Tim Hudson
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM Matt Caswell wrote: > You're right on this one. I misread the diff. > Not a problem - you are doing the look-at-what-we-did and how it would be impacted - and that is certainly what we should be doing - working through what impact this would have had. Semantic

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 13:56, Tim Hudson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:37 PM Matt Caswell > wrote: > > - Added some new macros: > https://github.com/openssl/openssl/pull/6037 > > > No we didn't change our public API for this one - we changed *internals*. > The

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Tim Hudson
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:37 PM Matt Caswell wrote: > - Added some new macros: > https://github.com/openssl/openssl/pull/6037 No we didn't change our public API for this one - we changed *internals*. The change to include/openssl/crypto.h was entirely changing *comments* to document that the

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message <896ece72-8923-801e-b97d-5a1b21c9c...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:37:45 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > And that is what semantic versioning is about - it is about the API. > > So if you add to the API you change either MINOR or MAJOR. > > In your scenario the moment you need

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 13:03, Tim Hudson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:22 PM Matt Caswell > wrote: > > Lets imagine we release version 5.0.0. We create a branch for it and > declare a support period. Its an LTS release. This is a *stable* > release, so we

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message on Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:22:44 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > > On 25/09/18 12:12, Richard Levitte wrote: > > In message <98774a3e-d127-dcd9-c835-3b359d69b...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 > > Sep 2018 11:53:48 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > > >> > >> > >> On 25/09/18 11:48, Richard

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Tim Hudson
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:22 PM Matt Caswell wrote: > Lets imagine we release version 5.0.0. We create a branch for it and > declare a support period. Its an LTS release. This is a *stable* > release, so we shouldn't de-stabilise it by adding new features. > > Later we do some work on some new

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 12:12, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message <98774a3e-d127-dcd9-c835-3b359d69b...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 Sep > 2018 11:53:48 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > >> >> >> On 25/09/18 11:48, Richard Levitte wrote: >>> In message on Tue, 25 >>> Sep 2018 11:30:39 +0100, Matt Caswell said:

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message <98774a3e-d127-dcd9-c835-3b359d69b...@openssl.org> on Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:53:48 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > > On 25/09/18 11:48, Richard Levitte wrote: > > In message on Tue, 25 > > Sep 2018 11:30:39 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > > >> > >> > >> On 25/09/18 11:13, Tim Hudson

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 11:48, Richard Levitte wrote: > In message on Tue, 25 Sep > 2018 11:30:39 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > >> >> >> On 25/09/18 11:13, Tim Hudson wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:07 PM Matt Caswell >> > wrote: >>> >>> On 25/09/18 10:58, Tim Hudson

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message on Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:30:39 +0100, Matt Caswell said: > > > On 25/09/18 11:13, Tim Hudson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:07 PM Matt Caswell > > wrote: > > > > On 25/09/18 10:58, Tim Hudson wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:23 PM

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 11:13, Tim Hudson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:07 PM Matt Caswell > wrote: > > On 25/09/18 10:58, Tim Hudson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:23 PM Richard Levitte > mailto:levi...@openssl.org> > >

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Tim Hudson
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 8:07 PM Matt Caswell wrote: > On 25/09/18 10:58, Tim Hudson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:23 PM Richard Levitte > > wrote: > > > > So what you suggest (and what I'm leaning toward) means that we will > > change our habits. > > >

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Caswell
On 25/09/18 10:58, Tim Hudson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:23 PM Richard Levitte > wrote: > > So what you suggest (and what I'm leaning toward) means that we will > change our habits. > > > Adoption of semantic versioning will indeed require us to

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Tim Hudson
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:23 PM Richard Levitte wrote: > So what you suggest (and what I'm leaning toward) means that we will > change our habits. > Adoption of semantic versioning will indeed require us to change our habits in a number of areas - that is the point of having a single clear

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message on Tue, 25 Sep 2018 18:39:43 +1000, Tim Hudson said: > A fairly common approach that is used is that you can only remove something > that has been > marked for deprecation at a MAJOR release version boundary. > > That is entirely independent of the semantic versioning view of

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Tim Hudson
A fairly common approach that is used is that you can only remove something that has been marked for deprecation at a MAJOR release version boundary. That is entirely independent of the semantic versioning view of things - which also happens to say the same thing (that adding a deprecation

Re: [openssl-project] Release strategy updates & other policies

2018-09-25 Thread Richard Levitte
In message <20180924.13.2155153469056385673.levi...@openssl.org> on Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Richard Levitte said: > In message <79590c7b-98a4-4816-9eea-52f21b5e23e1@default> on Sun, 23 Sep 2018 > 20:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Paul Dale said: > ... > > Some thoughts about this: >