RE: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-28 Thread Dr. Matthias St. Pierre
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 01:23:16PM +, Salz, Rich wrote:
> > Tony Arceri sent me a pure-CSS solution that worked and looked similar.
> 
> I was about to mention that the website it just text+css.
> 
> 
> Kurt

FYI: there is another discussion about the OpenSSL logo going on in pr #11200.
In particular this post contains a link to text+css of the OpenSSL logo:

https://github.com/openssl/openssl/pull/11200#issuecomment-592673575

Matthias




Re: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-28 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 01:23:16PM +, Salz, Rich wrote:
> Tony Arceri sent me a pure-CSS solution that worked and looked similar.

I was about to mention that the website it just text+css.


Kurt



Re: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-27 Thread Salz, Rich
For what it’s worth, during the Website redesign I asked if anyone could 
provide a scalable logo so that our website worked on mobile, tablets, etc.  
Tony Arceri sent me a pure-CSS solution that worked and looked similar.



Re: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Matt Caswell
The design of the logo was deliberately changed back in (I think) 2015.

The OMC have access to the logo in .xcf, .psd and .png formats.

The new logo had these notes associated with it:


This is the official OpenSSL logo.

It was created in Adobe Photoshop 8.0 with the fonts Adobe Palatino
Bold (for "Open"), Bitstream Gothic 725 Bold (for "SSL") and Tahoma
(for "TM" and "Cryptography and SSL/TLS Toolkit"). Its original size
is 30x10cm with a resolution of 300dpi, hence it is suitable for good
quality printing in A4 paper. Higher resolution versions can be created
easily by loading it into Adobe Photoshop and just resizing to the
required size and/or resolution. This is possible because the text is
not rasterized and both the inner bevel and drop shadow effects are
reapplied automatically. Similarily, all elements are on separated
layers, so they can be switched on/off individually. For processing the
image under Unix, load it into The Gimp 2.0. But keep in mind that you
need the above three fonts installed in other to change the original
source.


Matt


On 27/02/2020 22:03, Dr. Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
> 
>> According to that site, it used to be at
>>
>> http://openssl.com/images/openssl-logo.png
>>
> 
> Thanks to the Wayback Machine, nothing gets lost: Here is the historical 
> OpenSSL Logo:
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20141231112717/http://openssl.com/images/openssl-logo.png
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 


RE: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Dr. Matthias St. Pierre

> According to that site, it used to be at
> 
> http://openssl.com/images/openssl-logo.png
>

Thanks to the Wayback Machine, nothing gets lost: Here is the historical 
OpenSSL Logo:

https://web.archive.org/web/20141231112717/http://openssl.com/images/openssl-logo.png

Matthias




Re: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias St. Pierre


Well then, if Tomáš manages to convert it to SVG and if there is no problem
with the font, you may raise a pull request. (BTW: what is the font's name?)

Please note that you might have to enlarge the bounding box to increase
the border around the text. Because GitHub will automatically scale the
image to full width on https://github.com/openssl/openssl and there is no
way to downsize the image if we restrict ourselves to plain markdown
(i.e. without adding inline HTML).  See [1] for an example.


Matthias


[1] https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/master/doc/images/openssl.svg



On 27.02.20 14:08, Paul Yang wrote:

Right, there is no 3D.

Regards,

Paul Yang


On Feb 27, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Tomas Mraz mailto:tm...@redhat.com>> wrote:

On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 11:28 +0100, Matthias St. Pierre wrote:

Thank you for the clarification, Mark.

So this means we have some artistic freedom in choosing the logo?

Personally, I'm not sure whether we really should aim at restoring
the historic logo. IMHO this ornate font with 3D appearance reminds
me of the nineties and has slightly gone out of style. Just take a
look
how the Google logo changed over time [1], for example.

I think it's time for a more modern layout. Let's have a competition.


I like the logo as sent by Paul. There is no "3D appearance" in it.

--
Tomáš Mráz
No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.
 Turkish proverb
[You'll know whether the road is wrong if you carefully listen to your
conscience.]







Re: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Paul Yang
Right, there is no 3D.

Regards,

Paul Yang

> On Feb 27, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Tomas Mraz  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 11:28 +0100, Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
>> Thank you for the clarification, Mark.
>> 
>> So this means we have some artistic freedom in choosing the logo?
>> 
>> Personally, I'm not sure whether we really should aim at restoring
>> the historic logo. IMHO this ornate font with 3D appearance reminds
>> me of the nineties and has slightly gone out of style. Just take a
>> look
>> how the Google logo changed over time [1], for example.
>> 
>> I think it's time for a more modern layout. Let's have a competition.
> 
> I like the logo as sent by Paul. There is no "3D appearance" in it.
> 
> -- 
> Tomáš Mráz
> No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.
>  Turkish proverb
> [You'll know whether the road is wrong if you carefully listen to your
> conscience.]
> 



Re: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 11:28 +0100, Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
> Thank you for the clarification, Mark.
> 
> So this means we have some artistic freedom in choosing the logo?
> 
> Personally, I'm not sure whether we really should aim at restoring
> the historic logo. IMHO this ornate font with 3D appearance reminds
> me of the nineties and has slightly gone out of style. Just take a
> look
> how the Google logo changed over time [1], for example.
> 
> I think it's time for a more modern layout. Let's have a competition.

I like the logo as sent by Paul. There is no "3D appearance" in it.

-- 
Tomáš Mráz
No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.
  Turkish proverb
[You'll know whether the road is wrong if you carefully listen to your
conscience.]




Re: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias St. Pierre

Sorry for linking a german page (although the video is english).

This seems to be the corresponding english version.

https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2015/09/google-update.html



On 27.02.20 11:28, Matthias St. Pierre wrote:

Thank you for the clarification, Mark.

So this means we have some artistic freedom in choosing the logo?

Personally, I'm not sure whether we really should aim at restoring
the historic logo. IMHO this ornate font with 3D appearance reminds
me of the nineties and has slightly gone out of style. Just take a look
how the Google logo changed over time [1], for example.

I think it's time for a more modern layout. Let's have a competition.

Matthias



[1] https://germany.googleblog.com/2015/09/google-update.html






Re: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias St. Pierre

Thank you for the clarification, Mark.

So this means we have some artistic freedom in choosing the logo?

Personally, I'm not sure whether we really should aim at restoring
the historic logo. IMHO this ornate font with 3D appearance reminds
me of the nineties and has slightly gone out of style. Just take a look
how the Google logo changed over time [1], for example.

I think it's time for a more modern layout. Let's have a competition.

Matthias



[1] https://germany.googleblog.com/2015/09/google-update.html



On 27.02.20 11:16, Mark J Cox wrote:

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:31 AM Matthias St. Pierre
 wrote:

Because after all, the shape of the logo is an
essential part of the OpenSSL 'trade mark'.

Although the current website logo as of January 2020 was used as the
specimen to show our use of the trademark at renewal time, our
official trademark registration is a standard character mark:  i.e.
"The mark consists of standard characters without claim to any
particular font style, size, or color.".

Regards, Mark




Re: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-27 Thread Mark J Cox
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:31 AM Matthias St. Pierre
 wrote:
> Because after all, the shape of the logo is an
> essential part of the OpenSSL 'trade mark'.

Although the current website logo as of January 2020 was used as the
specimen to show our use of the trademark at renewal time, our
official trademark registration is a standard character mark:  i.e.
"The mark consists of standard characters without claim to any
particular font style, size, or color.".

Regards, Mark


Re: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-27 Thread Paul Yang
This reminds me that it seems the lost of the original logo caused the new logo 
on the new website. (No high resolution source image)

Regards,

Paul Yang

> On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:52 PM, Tomas Mraz  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 10:31 +0100, Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
>> 
>> The openssl.svg was chosen to match the current logo at
>> 
>> https://www.openssl.org/
>> 
>> as close as possible. According to the style sheet, the font of the
>> logo
>> is HelveticaNeue-Light.
>> 
>> https://github.com/openssl/web/blob/master/inc/screen.css#L131-L158
>> 
>> While I'm not opposed to brush up the OpenSSL logo, I think this
>> can't
>> be done simply be replacing it on the fly. I think this requires a
>> general
>> discussion among the team members and finally an OMC decision,
>> and shouldn't be rushed. Because after all, the shape of the logo is
>> an
>> essential part of the OpenSSL 'trade mark'.
>> 
>> If we we want to brush up the Logo, we should give everybody time to
>> come up
>> with proposals and then have an open contest, ideally among all
>> committers,
>> not only OMC or OTC.  (And you can be sure, I will come up with a
>> proposal ;-) )
>> 
>> Finally, the OMC can run a vote, for example whether to pick the
>> winner of the
>> contest or to leave the logo as it is.
> 
> The logo (attached) that Paul Yang created is matching the logo on the
> old OpenSSL website. You can see it here for example:
> 
> https://j3pd.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/openssl.jpg 
> <https://j3pd.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/openssl.jpg>
> 
> I do not know how the current logo on the web was created or if there
> was any formal decision process applied but I would expect it was
> created just as an approximation of the original logo without using a
> picture.
> 
> -- 
> Tomáš Mráz
> No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.
>  Turkish proverb
> [You'll know whether the road is wrong if you carefully listen to your
> conscience.]
> 
> 



Re: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-27 Thread Paul Yang
As far as I know the original intended logo is not the HelveticalNeue-Light one 
(the one currently on openssl.org).

Long time ago someone has designed a logo with the font similar to the one I 
printed on the stickers and that logo has also been used in some other places 
during that time. I think you can still found that version on Goolge.

But the original high resolution version of that logo was lost for unknown 
reason. So the openssl.org <http://openssl.org/> has no choice to use a 
text-based version of the logo, with the HelveticalNeue-Light font.

The logo in the ‘.ai’ file I mentioned previously is actually one reissued 
version of the 'correct-but-lost’ version. It was created by ‘hand-imitating’ 
the low-resolution image files found on Google…(that was in around 2018 IIRC 
and I asked a BaishanCloud UED guy to help on the reissue task ;-).

Regards,

Paul Yang

> On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Matthias St. Pierre 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The openssl.svg was chosen to match the current logo at
> 
> https://www.openssl.org/ <https://www.openssl.org/>
> 
> as close as possible. According to the style sheet, the font of the logo
> is HelveticaNeue-Light.
> 
> https://github.com/openssl/web/blob/master/inc/screen.css#L131-L158 
> <https://github.com/openssl/web/blob/master/inc/screen.css#L131-L158>
> 
> While I'm not opposed to brush up the OpenSSL logo, I think this can't
> be done simply be replacing it on the fly. I think this requires a general
> discussion among the team members and finally an OMC decision,
> and shouldn't be rushed. Because after all, the shape of the logo is an
> essential part of the OpenSSL 'trade mark'.
> 
> If we we want to brush up the Logo, we should give everybody time to come up
> with proposals and then have an open contest, ideally among all committers,
> not only OMC or OTC.  (And you can be sure, I will come up with a proposal 
> ;-) )
> 
> Finally, the OMC can run a vote, for example whether to pick the winner of the
> contest or to leave the logo as it is.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> On 27.02.20 09:58, Paul Yang wrote:
>> Sent
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Paul Yang
>> 
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>>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Tomas Mraz >> <mailto:tm...@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could you, please, send me the .ai file? I'll try converting it. Is the
>>> font freely available?
>>> 
>>> Tomas
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 14:17 +0800, Paul Yang wrote:
>>>> The logo could be changed to the 'correct-font' version -as the one
>>>> printed on the stickers I brought to Nuremberg
>>>> 
>>>> I have an '.ai’ image file at hand an I think someone needs to figure
>>>> how to extract the image then include it in the markdown file...
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Paul Yang
> 



Re: OpenSSL Logo

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias St. Pierre



The logo on this site

https://unixblogger.com/how-to-convert-split-p12-certificates-into-single-files/

seems to be very similar to the one on your stickers, Paul.

According to that site, it used to be at

http://openssl.com/images/openssl-logo.png

It even has a (TM) marker. Can the OMC please clarify whether this is the
current official OpenSSL logo? And if it is, point us to a location where the
original file can be found?

Matthias




On 27.02.20 10:31, Matthias St. Pierre wrote:


The openssl.svg was chosen to match the current logo at

https://www.openssl.org/

as close as possible. According to the style sheet, the font of the logo
is HelveticaNeue-Light.

https://github.com/openssl/web/blob/master/inc/screen.css#L131-L158

While I'm not opposed to brush up the OpenSSL logo, I think this can't
be done simply be replacing it on the fly. I think this requires a general
discussion among the team members and finally an OMC decision,
and shouldn't be rushed. Because after all, the shape of the logo is an
essential part of the OpenSSL 'trade mark'.

If we we want to brush up the Logo, we should give everybody time to come up
with proposals and then have an open contest, ideally among all committers,
not only OMC or OTC.  (And you can be sure, I will come up with a proposal ;-) )

Finally, the OMC can run a vote, for example whether to pick the winner of the
contest or to leave the logo as it is.

Regards,

Matthias



On 27.02.20 09:58, Paul Yang wrote:

Sent

Regards,

Paul Yang


On Feb 27, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Tomas Mraz mailto:tm...@redhat.com>> wrote:

Could you, please, send me the .ai file? I'll try converting it. Is the
font freely available?

Tomas

On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 14:17 +0800, Paul Yang wrote:

The logo could be changed to the 'correct-font' version -as the one
printed on the stickers I brought to Nuremberg

I have an '.ai’ image file at hand an I think someone needs to figure
how to extract the image then include it in the markdown file...

Regards,

Paul Yang






Re: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-27 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 10:31 +0100, Matthias St. Pierre wrote:
> 
> The openssl.svg was chosen to match the current logo at
> 
> https://www.openssl.org/
> 
> as close as possible. According to the style sheet, the font of the
> logo
> is HelveticaNeue-Light.
> 
> https://github.com/openssl/web/blob/master/inc/screen.css#L131-L158
> 
> While I'm not opposed to brush up the OpenSSL logo, I think this
> can't
> be done simply be replacing it on the fly. I think this requires a
> general
> discussion among the team members and finally an OMC decision,
> and shouldn't be rushed. Because after all, the shape of the logo is
> an
> essential part of the OpenSSL 'trade mark'.
> 
> If we we want to brush up the Logo, we should give everybody time to
> come up
> with proposals and then have an open contest, ideally among all
> committers,
> not only OMC or OTC.  (And you can be sure, I will come up with a
> proposal ;-) )
> 
> Finally, the OMC can run a vote, for example whether to pick the
> winner of the
> contest or to leave the logo as it is.

The logo (attached) that Paul Yang created is matching the logo on the
old OpenSSL website. You can see it here for example:

https://j3pd.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/openssl.jpg

I do not know how the current logo on the web was created or if there
was any formal decision process applied but I would expect it was
created just as an approximation of the original logo without using a
picture.

-- 
Tomáš Mráz
No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.
  Turkish proverb
[You'll know whether the road is wrong if you carefully listen to your
conscience.]



Re: OpenSSL Logo (was: New GitHub Project Landing Page)

2020-02-27 Thread Matthias St. Pierre


The openssl.svg was chosen to match the current logo at

https://www.openssl.org/

as close as possible. According to the style sheet, the font of the logo
is HelveticaNeue-Light.

https://github.com/openssl/web/blob/master/inc/screen.css#L131-L158

While I'm not opposed to brush up the OpenSSL logo, I think this can't
be done simply be replacing it on the fly. I think this requires a general
discussion among the team members and finally an OMC decision,
and shouldn't be rushed. Because after all, the shape of the logo is an
essential part of the OpenSSL 'trade mark'.

If we we want to brush up the Logo, we should give everybody time to come up
with proposals and then have an open contest, ideally among all committers,
not only OMC or OTC.  (And you can be sure, I will come up with a proposal ;-) )

Finally, the OMC can run a vote, for example whether to pick the winner of the
contest or to leave the logo as it is.

Regards,

Matthias



On 27.02.20 09:58, Paul Yang wrote:

Sent

Regards,

Paul Yang


On Feb 27, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Tomas Mraz mailto:tm...@redhat.com>> wrote:

Could you, please, send me the .ai file? I'll try converting it. Is the
font freely available?

Tomas

On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 14:17 +0800, Paul Yang wrote:

The logo could be changed to the 'correct-font' version -as the one
printed on the stickers I brought to Nuremberg

I have an '.ai’ image file at hand an I think someone needs to figure
how to extract the image then include it in the markdown file...

Regards,

Paul Yang