Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-04 Thread L Nehring
(openssl-users) This is way off-topic, so let me apologize in advance. Here's some of my own email numbers to give a piece of my perspective of the talk about spam on the openssl list and why I just don't see a real problem. I run a pair of email servers on a very small domain that serves a

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-04 Thread Richard Koenning
Boyle Owen wrote: -Original Message- From: Scott Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The spammer who zapped the mod_ssl list (see http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modssl&r=1&b=200403&w=2) has now moved onto this list (see content-free mail apparently from rse...) Can someone with admin

RE: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-04 Thread Boyle Owen
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The spammer who zapped the mod_ssl list (see http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modssl&r=1&b=200403&w=2) has now moved onto this list (see content-free mail apparently from rse...) Can someone with admin powers block th

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-04 Thread Scott Lamb
On Mar 2, 2004, at 8:37 PM, Joseph Bruni wrote: I don't know about that. During the latest Windows exploit virus blast (when are they going to fix their stuff?) I kept getting bombed by AV bounces aimed at openssl-users-l. Not to mention that the list was DOWN during that time as well. A good n

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-04 Thread Ben Laurie
Boyle Owen wrote: -Original Message- From: Ben Laurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I disagree. I've lost the thread... You want to limit posting to subscribers only or you don't? I don't. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Joseph Bruni
I don't know about that. During the latest Windows exploit virus blast (when are they going to fix their stuff?) I kept getting bombed by AV bounces aimed at openssl-users-l. Not to mention that the list was DOWN during that time as well. A good number of my posts just got timed out by my legit

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Patrick Coleman
> I think just simply requiring people to be list members before posting > would be enough to make a big impact. You dont necessarily have to force people to become members. Just ensure that all anonymous posts are be moderated, and the problem is solved. The spam, viruses and anonymous posts g

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread L Nehring
Have we now crossed the threshold where there are more off-topic messages discussing spam than spam messages themselves? There just doesn't seem to be a real need to take any action at all given the small number of UCE or antivirus bounce messages. r, Lance __

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Scott Lamb
Vadim Fedukovich wrote: a hotmail account might be considered a handy tool but it hardly could be regarded as anonymous. Please take a look at mixmaster.sf.net (the tool) and network of remailers running around. There was mixmaster protocol ietf draft published recently That was the "or whatever".

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Vadim Fedukovich
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 11:47:43AM -0600, Scott Lamb wrote: > > On Feb 24, 2004, at 9:55 AM, Rich Salz wrote: > > >> I think I misunderstood that question. I honestly don't know what we > >> would lose. Maybe a sense of openness. > > > > In the past -- at least, say, 2-3 years ago -- we had a c

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Scott Lamb
On Feb 24, 2004, at 9:55 AM, Rich Salz wrote: I think I misunderstood that question. I honestly don't know what we would lose. Maybe a sense of openness. In the past -- at least, say, 2-3 years ago -- we had a couple of anonymous posters who made very worthwhile contributions. Haven't seen that

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Rich Salz
Rich Salz wrote: Probably not worth supporting any more. Ben Laurie wrote: I disagree. Ben's voice carries way more weight than mine :) I stand down... /r$ -- Rich Salz, Chief Security Architect DataPower Technology http://www.datapower.com XS40 XML Security Gatew

RE: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Boyle Owen
> -Original Message- > From: Ben Laurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I disagree. I've lost the thread... You want to limit posting to subscribers only or you don't? BTW, the mod_ssl list has been swamped by some spammer. Would this list be immune to these posts (the spammer is craftily

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-03-02 Thread Ben Laurie
Rich Salz wrote: I think I misunderstood that question. I honestly don't know what we would lose. Maybe a sense of openness. In the past -- at least, say, 2-3 years ago -- we had a couple of anonymous posters who made very worthwhile contributions. Haven't seen that recently. Also, it used t

RE: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Ken - Xzone9 Productions
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lyngmo Ted Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Regarding all the spam... Richard Levitte wrote: > Ted Lyngmo wrote: > > > > Is it possible to post messages to the mailing list without being a > > member? If so,

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Rich Salz
> I think I misunderstood that question. I honestly don't know what we > would lose. Maybe a sense of openness. In the past -- at least, say, 2-3 years ago -- we had a couple of anonymous posters who made very worthwhile contributions. Haven't seen that recently. Also, it used to be in the spi

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:54:57 +0100, Mads Toftum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: mads> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:40:03PM +0100, Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote: mads> > mads> get someone to moderate the list - problem solved. mads> > mads> > *cough* you do know what

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Mads Toftum
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:40:03PM +0100, Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote: > mads> get someone to moderate the list - problem solved. > > *cough* you do know what you're talking about, right? > yes. Allow members to post and only non-members if moderated through - I wouldn't suggest it if I d

RE: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Lyngmo Ted
Richard Levitte wrote: > Ted Lyngmo wrote: > > > > Is it possible to post messages to the mailing list without > > being a member? If so, what would we lose by changing that? > > I honestly don't know what we would lose. Maybe a sense of > openness. True, but considering how easy it is to become

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:32:40 +0100, Mads Toftum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: mads> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:27:05PM +0100, Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote: mads> > mads> > I think I misunderstood that question. I honestly don't know what we mads> > would lose.

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:59:37 +0100, "Lyngmo Ted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: ted.lyngmo> Is it possible to post messages to the mailing list ted.lyngmo> without being a member? Yes, openssl-users is completely open. ted.lyngmo> If so, what would we lose by changing

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:59:37 +0100, "Lyngmo Ted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: ted.lyngmo> If so, what would we lose by changing that? I think I misunderstood that question. I honestly don't know what we would lose. Maybe a sense of openness. - Please consider s

Re: Regarding all the spam...

2004-02-24 Thread Mads Toftum
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 01:27:05PM +0100, Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote: > > I think I misunderstood that question. I honestly don't know what we > would lose. Maybe a sense of openness. > get someone to moderate the list - problem solved. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coff