Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-21 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 19:36 +, Ed Leafe wrote: I still prefer 'cell'. The parallel to single celled / multi-cellular life forms makes sense, and there is really no overloading of the word in the world of computers. I'll point out the concept of AFS cells. That said, +1 for cell… -- Kevin

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-20 Thread Thierry Carrez
Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: +1 to cell. +1 to cell. Short, clean and relatively not overloaded. Someone has to decide, and that someone is actually Vish :) [ and I didn't see any good opposition to cell yet among all the bikeshedding ] -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) Release Manager, OpenStack

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-20 Thread andi abes
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com wrote: On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Mark Washenberger wrote: For this reason, whatever name we choose I would hope we prefix it with compute- (i.e. compute-zone or compute-cell) so that we aren't letting language trick us out

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Justin Shepherd
+1 for cell Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2012, at 14:32, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.commailto:vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to cell. On Feb 18, 2012 9:41 AM, Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.commailto:dtro...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: The

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Jay Pipes
On 02/18/2012 03:22 PM, Chris Behrens wrote: On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: I still prefer 'cell'. The parallel to single celled / multi-cellular life forms makes sense, and there is really no overloading of the word in the world of computers. I like 'cell' too. It

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Mark Washenberger
Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a single zone, so whatever term is used should make sense in a singular sense. That rules out names such as 'slice' or 'fragment'. I think this is a slightly outdated concept of zones. The key to scalability in nova is to

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Tim Bell
[mailto:openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Mark Washenberger Sent: 19 February 2012 19:54 To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a single zone, so whatever

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Jay Pipes
++ to you Mark. Excellent suggestion on compute-cell. -jay On 02/19/2012 01:53 PM, Mark Washenberger wrote: Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a single zone, so whatever term is used should make sense in a singular sense. That rules out names such as

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Ed_Conzel
@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE +1 to cell. On Feb 18, 2012 9:41 AM, Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.commailto:dtro...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: The term zone was adopted at a time when we weren't really focusing on mimicking

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Sean Roberts
-Original Message- From: openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Mark Washenberger Sent: 19 February 2012 19:54 To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-19 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Mark Washenberger wrote: For this reason, whatever name we choose I would hope we prefix it with compute- (i.e. compute-zone or compute-cell) so that we aren't letting language trick us out of some of our better implementation options, such as allowing

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-18 Thread Chris Behrens
Sector? On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Armando Migliaccio wrote: I think you touched the crucial point here: what is exposed to the user and what not. Reading: http://wiki.openstack.org/MultiClusterZones#Design one would think that zones

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-18 Thread Chris Behrens
On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Nathanael Burton wrote: Sectors remind me too much of disks. Right.. I mentioned it because I would think it'd be rather difficult to confuse 'Nova sectors' with sectors on a disk. How about? Layers, Slices, Fragments, Knots... Of those, I'd probably prefer

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-18 Thread Dean Troyer
On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:       The term zone was adopted at a time when we weren't really focusing on mimicking the AWS Availability Zone concept, and in hindsight, it was a poor choice. So we should learn from that mistake and make sure we don't choose a replacement term

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Nathanael Burton wrote: Sectors remind me too much of disks. Agreed. How about? Layers, Slices, Fragments, Knots... Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a single zone, so whatever term is used should make sense in a

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-18 Thread Chris Behrens
On Feb 18, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: I still prefer 'cell'. The parallel to single celled / multi-cellular life forms makes sense, and there is really no overloading of the word in the world of computers. I like 'cell' too. It makes sense. But 'cell' reminds me too much of

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-18 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
+1 to cell. On Feb 18, 2012 9:41 AM, Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: The term zone was adopted at a time when we weren't really focusing on mimicking the AWS Availability Zone concept, and in hindsight, it was a poor choice. So we

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-18 Thread Brandon Mumby
Clump? -B On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: +1 to cell. On Feb 18, 2012 9:41 AM, Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: The term zone was adopted at a time when we weren't really focusing on mimicking the AWS

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-17 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Armando Migliaccio wrote: I think you touched the crucial point here: what is exposed to the user and what not. Reading: http://wiki.openstack.org/MultiClusterZones#Design one would think that zones is a concept exposed to end users. You're saying

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-15 Thread Armando Migliaccio
+armando.migliaccio=eu.citrix@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Martin Paulo Sent: 14 February 2012 23:34 To: Jay Pipes Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE ServerGroup gets my vote at the moment: it's a term that has an overloaded meaning

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-15 Thread Gabe Westmaas
; Jay Pipes Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE -1 for ServerGroup because in the OSAPI terminology Server is a guest instance rather than a physical host. I assume that the relationship between zone and availability zone will still exist (and I remind

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-15 Thread Jay Pipes
] On Behalf Of Armando Migliaccio Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:36 AM To: Martin Paulo; Jay Pipes Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE -1 for ServerGroup because in the OSAPI terminology Server is a guest instance rather than a physical host. I

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-15 Thread Armando Migliaccio
@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+gabe.westmaas=rackspace.com@lists.launchpad. net] On Behalf Of Armando Migliaccio Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 6:36 AM To: Martin Paulo; Jay Pipes Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE -1

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-15 Thread Gabe Westmaas
Paulo; openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE On 02/15/2012 09:13 AM, Gabe Westmaas wrote: I think this thing we call zones is fundamentally different from an Availability Zone or a Host Aggregate. An Availability Zone is about redundancy, a Host

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-15 Thread Mark Washenberger
with relationship? -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 February 2012 14:36 To: Gabe Westmaas Cc: Armando Migliaccio; Martin Paulo; openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE On 02/15/2012 09:13 AM, Gabe Westmaas wrote

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-15 Thread Armando Migliaccio
See comments inline. -Original Message- From: Mark Washenberger [mailto:mark.washenber...@rackspace.com] Sent: 15 February 2012 15:51 To: Gabe Westmaas Cc: Armando Migliaccio; Jay Pipes; openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Gabe Westmaas

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Jay Pipes
@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From a deployers side, nothing would really change, just some configuration options

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Gabe Westmaas
...@gmail.commailto:vishvana...@gmail.com Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.netopenstack@lists.launchpad.n et mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Gabe Westmaas
, February 01, 2012 4:45 PM *To:* Vishvananda Ishaya *Cc:* Sandy Walsh; openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE +1 to Vish's points. I know there are some folks coming online in the Folsom timeline that can help

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Martin Paulo
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From a deployers side, nothing would really change, just some configuration options ... but a replacement should be available. I'm sure we could

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Monsyne Dragon
@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From a deployers side, nothing would really change, just some configuration options ... but a replacement should be available. I'm sure we

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 00:00 +, Monsyne Dragon wrote: Other possibilities: * Container (not recommended, as it is overloaded with Solaris or Linux container virtualization) * ServerGroup * HostGroup * Group * Collection - Set - Cell - Huddle - Constellation -

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Jason Kölker
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 00:00 +, Monsyne Dragon wrote: On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: -1 on shard b/c of database terminology. -1 on cluster because of HPC and database terminology. Zone was originally used because it is general -- referring to merely a collection

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-14 Thread Ed Leafe
On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 00:00 +, Monsyne Dragon wrote: Other possibilities: * Container (not recommended, as it is overloaded with Solaris or Linux container virtualization) * ServerGroup * HostGroup * Group * Collection - Set

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-13 Thread Leandro Reox
: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Sorry, I'm late. Really getting down to the wire here. :) I've thrown up a version here: https://review.openstack.org/#change,4062 I've not functionally tested it yet, but there's really good test coverage for the zones service itself. I also have

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-13 Thread Martin Paulo
@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From a deployers side, nothing would really change, just some configuration options

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-13 Thread Leandro Reox
, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com mailto:vishvana...@gmail.com Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-13 Thread Yun Mao
mailto:vishvana...@gmail.com Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-12 Thread Chris Behrens
@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From a deployers side

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-12 Thread Sandy Walsh
=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net] on behalf of Chris Behrens [cbehr...@codestud.com] Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:50 PM To: Leandro Reox Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net; Chris Behrens Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Sorry, I'm late. Really getting down to the wire here

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-09 Thread Alejandro Comisario
...@gmail.com Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.netopenstack@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-09 Thread Leandro Reox
@lists.launchpad.net openstack@lists.launchpad.net openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-08 Thread Tom Fifield
: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Understood, timing is everything. I'll let Chris talk about expected timing for the replacement. From a deployers side, nothing would really change, just some configuration options ... but a replacement should be available. I'm sure we could get it working

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-02 Thread Chris Behrens
Well, I can actually say with confidence that the replacement would be stable by essex release. In fact, I expect the first commit to be a completely working solution that solves a number of problems with the original implementation. I don't think there's any issue getting something

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
Chris Behrens wrote: Well, I can actually say with confidence that the replacement would be stable by essex release. In fact, I expect the first commit to be a completely working solution that solves a number of problems with the original implementation. I don't think there's any issue

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-02 Thread Alejandro Comisario
Thierry et. al. Responses inline. On 02/02/2012 06:03 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Chris Behrens wrote: Well, I can actually say with confidence that the replacement would be stable by essex release. In fact, I expect the first commit to be a completely working solution that solves a number

[Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-01 Thread Sandy Walsh
As part of the new (and optional) Zones code coming down the pipe, part of this is to remove the old Zones implementation. More info in the merge prop: https://review.openstack.org/#change,3629 So, can I? can I? Huh? ___ Mailing list:

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-01 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
I would prefer that if it can be done super-super fast. :) Vish On Feb 1, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Chris Behrens wrote: I wonder if we can use some of the architecture of the new code and move the current implementation to that model. It'd preserve the existing functionality, set us up for the

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-01 Thread Nathanael Burton
+1 On Feb 1, 2012 4:13 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya vishvana...@gmail.com wrote: I would prefer that if it can be done super-super fast. :) Vish On Feb 1, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Chris Behrens wrote: I wonder if we can use some of the architecture of the new code and move the current implementation

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-01 Thread Alejandro Comisario
Hi guys. Its true that we are trying to make multizones work, actually we did, but we get into an instance were listing all vms from the parent zone ( where is has to go thru all the child zones ) is buggy ( if not impossible by now ). So, if there is a new zone architecture that actually

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-01 Thread Alejandro Comisario
Sounds pretty good Vish. Since we are mostly deployers, and the ones who are gonna try the new code from day zero, whats good for Sandy, its good for us. Alejandro. On 02/01/2012 06:57 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: Thanks for the feedback. It is good to get input from one of the largest

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-01 Thread Sandy Walsh
@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE +1 to Vish's points. I know there are some folks coming online in the Folsom timeline that can help out with the new stuff, but this feels a bit like going backwards. -- Joshua McKenty, CEO Piston Cloud Computing, Inc. w: (650) 24-CLOUD m

Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE

2012-02-01 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
I talked with chris a bit offline, and I'm a little concerned that we will be pushing too hard to try and get this into a working state by Essex. I think even if we to slam it in we will be faced with bugs that will make the essex version potentially as broken as the current zones code is. It