Jan Drake wrote:
For what it's worth, I've noticed a generally myopic trend towards python
only. Node.js can play many very good roles as an
implementation strategy for various openstack capabilities, especially at the
edge. I was excited to see it being included.
There's a balance to
I was speaking generally not specifically about this issue. Sounds like you're
taking this personally.
See prior comment on developers and languages. This is not about which
language is better: that's just crazy talk. :)
Adding node.js is clearly not onerous. And if most shops don't have JS
Long story short - we will work to make node.js an optional build time
component and leave it as an distro packaging issue. node.js was being
evaluated as a potential solution to
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/realtime-communication, but that
blueprint isn't targeted for
On 05/30/2012 04:37 PM, Devin Carlen wrote:
Long story short - we will work to make node.js an optional build time
component and leave it as an distro packaging issue. node.js was being
evaluated as a potential solution to
For what it's worth, I've noticed a generally myopic trend towards python only.
Node.js can play many very good roles as an implementation strategy for
various openstack capabilities, especially at the edge. I was excited to see
it being included. There's a balance to be struck in optimizing
Devin Carlen wrote:
-1 to introducing formal processes around this. This will happen from
time to time. Development may be briefly impacted on other platforms
but hindering innovation and telling developers that they are
responsible for package availability across every distro is not
Gabriel Hurley wrote:
As for packages, I can’t speak to Fedora offhand, but Ubuntu has the
“nodejs” package which is what we’ve used internally for development and
for the devstack gate going forward. The LESS binary itself is being
bundled with Horizon to alleviate versioning
Hi,
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Devin Carlen de...@openstack.org wrote:
...
Relying on Node.js actually opens up a lot of possibilities in the future
for us to do realtime websocket communications via node.js and still rely
on django to do the heavy lifting:
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bounces+gabriel.hurley=nebula@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of
Thierry Carrez
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
Devin Carlen wrote
On 05/24/2012 08:45 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
Calling it broken is a bit of an overstatement. As noted previously,
node.js can be installed and configured (http://nodejs.tchol.org/) on Fedora.
It's just not in the Fedora default package repositories. My reading of the
ticket on the redhat
Gabriel Hurley wrote:
1. I'll repeat my call for a list (somewhere) of who OpenStack's downstream
stakeholders are. I'm in favor of our commitment of support and cooperation,
but providing openness and insight into who we're offering it to would be
awesome.
The trick is, you don't know
Gabriel Hurley wrote:
2. Bundling LESS vs. other means: If you think downstream packagers don't
like node... pretty much nobody packages LESS. The recommended way to install
LESS is actually with NPM (the Node Package Manager). We could install it
that way, but that makes dependency
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Gabriel Hurley
gabriel.hur...@nebula.comwrote:
4. LESS for dev, commit compiled files: I veto'd this one in Horizon's
discussions. I've played this game being a committer for Django when we
tried to maintain both development and production versions of the
be a
compromise I'm more than happy with... ;-)
- Gabriel
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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:41 AM
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Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Gabriel
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On 05/25/2012 03:35 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
I have no problem with distros generating CSS files however they like;
overriding what
On 05/25/2012 04:51 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
That sounds good to me, but it only addresses the short term issue. If the
plan is to use Node.js for more in the future, we're going to have the same
conversation when that next patch comes up.
Heh. That was my point to Thierry about 8 messages
Hi all,
I was seeing that node.js is now being used in horizon. Is there any details on
why that was needed, the reasoning, the technical docs on where it is used.
Are there packages available in fedora/ubuntu for this?
Such a change seems like it should have a little more
Hi
On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:33:32 -0700
Joshua Harlow harlo...@yahoo-inc.com wrote:
Hi all,
I was seeing that node.js is now being used in horizon. Is there any
details on why that was needed, the reasoning, the technical docs on
where it is used.
Are there packages available in
So was there thought about the fedora and other distributions when adding this
as a dependency.
I thought we were going to try to support both, but if a package is currently
only in a single distribution, that makes it hard to develop on both.
Not sure if this is valid, and it might be
Hi Joshua,
Node.js is in the standard repos for most modern distros. It's not an issue
for Ubuntu/Fedora.
We are using Node.js for a package called Less with does asset compression for
us. Less is Apache 2 licensed so we have included it directly within Horizon:
Of Joshua Harlow
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:34 AM
To: openstack
Cc: Yahoo Openstack Developers
Subject: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
Hi all,
I was seeing that node.js is now being used in horizon. Is there any details on
why that was needed, the reasoning, the technical docs on where
] Nodejs in horizon
So was there thought about the fedora and other distributions when adding this
as a dependency.
I thought we were going to try to support both, but if a package is currently
only in a single distribution, that makes it hard to develop on both.
Not sure if this is valid
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Behalf Of Joshua Harlow
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:32 PM
To: Chuck Short
Cc: Yahoo Openstack Developers; openstack
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
So
From: Joshua Harlow [mailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:46 PM
To: openstack-...@yahoo-inc.com; Gabriel Hurley; openstack
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
Good to know,
I thought that fedora was being ran as well in the CI env.
If not, I will try my best to get
On 05/24/2012 03:40 PM, Devin Carlen wrote:
Hi Joshua,
Node.js is in the standard repos for most modern distros. It's not an
issue for Ubuntu/Fedora.
It actually is a problem for Fedora. node.js is not in Fedora. Once
Horizon requires node.js, it will be broken for Fedora (and EPEL for
That's what I was worried about, and why I (just my opinion) think that we need
to be a lot stricter about vetting new dependencies.
There needs to be time given to say, ensuring that its really needed, if it
really is, documenting why it has to be there in depth, getting various PTL's
to
-1 to introducing formal processes around this. This will happen from time to
time. Development may be briefly impacted on other platforms but hindering
innovation and telling developers that they are responsible for package
availability across every distro is not healthy.
You are concerned
, this is why we made this change in the *first* milestone, and not a
week before release. ;)
Devin
On May 24, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
That's what I was worried about, and why I (just my opinion) think that we need
to be a lot stricter about vetting
On 05/24/2012 07:28 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
Sure I agree with what u said, its a balance...
But it worries me when a commit pops up that I had to basically find,
and then I get a reply from russell who works at RH that says nope
fedora doesn’t have it.
It seems like that reach u
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Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
On 05/24/2012 03:40 PM, Devin Carlen wrote:
Hi
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