[Openstack] Use of XML xi:include with xpointer
I'm working on reusing content from remote XML formatted sources to create new content. Using the editor oxygen I can see the remote content, so I know my href is valid. But maven fails to build the html returning bad pointer. The remote content isn't using DTD or XMLschema. I'm hoping I can figure out how to walk the structure without having to. Any XML peoples that can help? ~sean ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Marketing] New code name for networks
Octopus ~sean On May 11, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Jason Smith jason.sm...@rackspace.com wrote: Hello, I understand why we had to give up Quantum code name but rather than just refer to it as networking let's come up with a new code name! Thoughts? Thanks, -js ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/marketing ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Announcing Climate, OpenStack Capacity Leasing project
Interested. Will post. Cheer! ~sean On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info wrote: Hi there, I'd like to announce a new project named Climate. The project aims to provide a capacity leasing service inside OpenStack cloud platforms, via the reservation of various resources in a calendar based view. The project is still as its early draft stage, but anyone with ideas and interest is welcome! Homepage: https://launchpad.net/climate Cheers, -- Julien Danjou ;; Free Software hacker ; freelance consultant ;; http://julien.danjou.info ATT1.bin ATT2.txt ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] user committee points to review
That worked, I can read it now. ~sean On Jan 16, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.chmailto:tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: A few of you have had trouble reading the document. The updated link is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yD8TfqUik2dt5xo_jMVHMl7tw9oIJnEndLK8YqEToyo/edit If you can’t read it, please send me a note and I’ll share it. Tim From: Tim Bell Sent: 09 January 2013 09:52 To: 'Sean Roberts'; OpenStack community; openstack Subject: RE: Calling all user group and meetup organizers Sean, Is the aim to provide co-ordination for the OpenStack user groups worldwide ? Ryan, JC and I have been putting together the structure for the OpenStack user committee (as described on the foundation list at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2012-December/001289.html). As we have collected input from various parties, there is a proposal for part of the committee to consist of user group representatives from different geographies. As mentioned in the mail to the foundation list, anyone who’d like to contribute to the user committee structure/mandate is welcome to get in touch for editing rights to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yD8TfqUik2dt5xo_jMVHMl7tw9oIJnEndLK8YqEToyo I am on travel on the 15th so I won’t be able to attend the call but it would be great if the conclusions could be distributed to the community list. Tim From: openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Sean Roberts Sent: 09 January 2013 01:55 To: OpenStack community; openstack Subject: [Openstack] Calling all user group and meetup organizers We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST. RSVP via http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Connect remotely via webex https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792UID=492396097RT=MiM0 If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon. Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that run user groups and meetups. See you then! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers
Agreed, creating a speaker list is on the to do list. ~sean On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:16 AM, andi_a...@dell.commailto:andi_a...@dell.com andi_a...@dell.commailto:andi_a...@dell.com wrote: Hi Sean, Thanks for taking the initiative to organize this. I’d like to toss another agenda item if I may. I started, and currently help organize the Boston meetup, and we’ve been blessed with lots of local resources, both in terms of facilities and openstack enthusiasts. Feedback I’ve gotten from multiple folks is that it would be useful to make available technical experts on up and coming projects (ceilometer, heat, new quantum services , cinder etc). While in the past I coordinated with project PTL’s to locate local experts, it might be more efficient (and less troubling to PTL’s) to have a community effort around this. If local presence is less than possible, then various collaboration tools could work. After that long promo, the agenda item would be – how do UG’s help with incubating projects, and what kind of support the Openstack community at large supports that? Regards, a. From: Sean Roberts [mailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 6:26 PM To: OpenStack community; openstack Cc: Hirschfeld, Rob; Pemmaraju, Kamesh; Abes, Andi; trevor.low...@gmail.commailto:trevor.low...@gmail.com; stephon.strip...@dreamhost.commailto:stephon.strip...@dreamhost.com; ca...@hq.newdream.netmailto:ca...@hq.newdream.net; brent.scot...@rackspace.commailto:brent.scot...@rackspace.com; kmest...@cisco.commailto:kmest...@cisco.com; lloydost...@gmail.commailto:lloydost...@gmail.com; freedom...@gmail.commailto:freedom...@gmail.com; duyujie@gmail.commailto:duyujie@gmail.com; santiagoc...@outlook.commailto:santiagoc...@outlook.com; sc...@kent.ac.ukmailto:sc...@kent.ac.uk; moha...@egyptcloudforum.commailto:moha...@egyptcloudforum.com; ilkka.turu...@jamk.fimailto:ilkka.turu...@jamk.fi; bere...@b1-systems.demailto:bere...@b1-systems.de; bruce...@cyberport.hkmailto:bruce...@cyberport.hk; marton.k...@xemeti.commailto:marton.k...@xemeti.com; deepakgarg.i...@gmail.commailto:deepakgarg.i...@gmail.com; fr...@meruvian.orgmailto:fr...@meruvian.org; tim.hor...@cit.iemailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie; fen...@ubuntu.commailto:fen...@ubuntu.com; mypa...@gmail.commailto:mypa...@gmail.com; muha...@lbox.ccmailto:muha...@lbox.cc; hang.t...@dtt.vnmailto:hang.t...@dtt.vn Subject: Re: [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers Agenda for tomorrow's user group / meetup planning meeting * * Review of user group and meetup template * Meetups fit into the larger plan of user committee and summit to summit development how? * Where would be the location for social materials like videos, meetup logs, and other meeting related items? * Where do operators go to figure out how to run OpenStack in production? * Can the Foundation start working with some Universities for meeting space, sponsorship, and student participation? Is the Foundation interested in Phd thesis sponsorship? * If possible I like to get some supporters for a groups.openstack.orghttp://groups.openstack.org site, including content writers and some developer resources from the community. We have a lot of knowledge about running / starting an user group, and need to write it down, publish on the site and share it with newcomers. I think this is answered by the user group template information that will be published to http://wiki.openstack.org/OpenStackUserGroups. * Should there be an OpenStack user group and/or meetup approval process? How do we clean up user groups and meetups that are abandoned? Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] On 1/14/13 2:07 PM, Sean Roberts sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Reminder for the global user group planning meetup, tomorrow, Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Join us! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, Tim Horgan tim.hor...@cit.iemailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie wrote: Hi Séan, I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA? Kind Regards, Tim On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST. RSVP via http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Connect remotely via webex https
Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers
Yes, join us! Add yourself to the mailing list by wiki.openstack.org. ~sean On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: hi all I am from OpenStack Indonesia User Group.. love of to be part of the movement. Hope can join the webex. but I am glad , if you can share to mailing list first. F ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers
Reminder for the global user group planning meetup, tomorrow, Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Join us! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, Tim Horgan tim.hor...@cit.iemailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie wrote: Hi Séan, I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA? Kind Regards, Tim On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST. RSVP via http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Connect remotely via webex https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792UID=492396097RT=MiM0 If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon. Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that run user groups and meetups. See you then! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] ___ Community mailing list commun...@lists.openstack.orgmailto:commun...@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community Regards, Tim - TIM HORGAN Head of Cloud Computing Centre of Excellence Extended Campus Office Cork Institute of Technology, Cork, Ireland phone: +353 214335120callto:+353%2021%204335120 | mobile: +353 87 9439333callto:+353%2087%209439333 twitter: @timhorganhttps://twitter.com/#%21/timhorgan | skype: timothy.horganhttps://twitter.com/#%21/timhorgan linkedin: http://ie.linkedin.com/in/timhorgan | web: http://cloud.cit.iehttp://cloud.cit.ie/ - ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers
Agenda for tomorrow's user group / meetup planning meeting * * Review of user group and meetup template * Meetups fit into the larger plan of user committee and summit to summit development how? * Where would be the location for social materials like videos, meetup logs, and other meeting related items? * Where do operators go to figure out how to run OpenStack in production? * Can the Foundation start working with some Universities for meeting space, sponsorship, and student participation? Is the Foundation interested in Phd thesis sponsorship? * If possible I like to get some supporters for a groups.openstack.org site, including content writers and some developer resources from the community. We have a lot of knowledge about running / starting an user group, and need to write it down, publish on the site and share it with newcomers. I think this is answered by the user group template information that will be published to http://wiki.openstack.org/OpenStackUserGroups. * Should there be an OpenStack user group and/or meetup approval process? How do we clean up user groups and meetups that are abandoned? Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] On 1/14/13 2:07 PM, Sean Roberts sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Reminder for the global user group planning meetup, tomorrow, Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Join us! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, Tim Horgan tim.hor...@cit.iemailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie wrote: Hi Séan, I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA? Kind Regards, Tim On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST. RSVP via http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Connect remotely via webex https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792UID=492396097RT=MiM0 If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon. Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that run user groups and meetups. See you then! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] ___ Community mailing list commun...@lists.openstack.orgmailto:commun...@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community Regards, Tim - TIM HORGAN Head of Cloud Computing Centre of Excellence Extended Campus Office Cork Institute of Technology, Cork, Ireland phone: +353 214335120callto:+353%2021%204335120 | mobile: +353 87 9439333callto:+353%2087%209439333 twitter: @timhorganhttps://twitter.com/#%21/timhorgan | skype: timothy.horganhttps://twitter.com/#%21/timhorgan linkedin: http://ie.linkedin.com/in/timhorgan | web: http://cloud.cit.iehttp://cloud.cit.ie/ - ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [openstack-community] Calling all user group and meetup organizers
This is for everybody. Look forward having you join us! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] On 1/9/13 1:05 PM, Tim Horgan tim.hor...@cit.iemailto:tim.hor...@cit.ie wrote: Hi Séan, I run the OpenStack Ireland meetup group, just wondering if your meeting is targeting only groups in the East Coast of the USA? Kind Regards, Tim On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Sean Roberts sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST. RSVP via http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Connect remotely via webex https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792UID=492396097RT=MiM0 If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon. Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that run user groups and meetups. See you then! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] ___ Community mailing list commun...@lists.openstack.orgmailto:commun...@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community Regards, Tim - TIM HORGAN Head of Cloud Computing Centre of Excellence Extended Campus Office Cork Institute of Technology, Cork, Ireland phone: +353 214335120callto:+353%2021%204335120 | mobile: +353 87 9439333callto:+353%2087%209439333 twitter: @timhorganhttps://twitter.com/#%21/timhorgan | skype: timothy.horganhttps://twitter.com/#%21/timhorgan linkedin: http://ie.linkedin.com/in/timhorgan | web: http://cloud.cit.iehttp://cloud.cit.ie/ - ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Openstack] Calling all user group and meetup organizers
We are going to have a planning meeting on Tuesday, 15 Jan 2012 11:00am to 1:00pm PST. RSVP via http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/93593062/ Connect remotely via webex https://yahoomeetings.webex.com/yahoomeetings/j.php?ED=160663792UID=492396097RT=MiM0 If this time doesn't work for you, get ahold of me directly via skype:seanroberts66, email, mobile, irc:sarob, twitter:sarob, or carrier pigeon. Stefano and Thierry will be joining us. I want to get input from people that run user groups and meetups. See you then! Sean Roberts Infrastructure Strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.com Direct (408) 349-5234 Mobile (925) 980-4729 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA, 94089-0703, US Phone (408) 349-3300 Fax (408) 349-3301 [http://forgood.zenfs.com/logos/yahoo.png] ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Design summit feedback?
We can put out thoughts together then forward them to Lauren Sell. It will have more impact than the mailing list or hitting up the conference organizers individually. ~sean On Apr 19, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Joshua Harlow harlo...@yahoo-inc.commailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Hi all, Hope everyone had a super-awesome design summit. Is there a place where we can give feedback on what people think worked/didn’t work at the summit. I have some (many) suggestions and was wondering if there is a place for this? -Josh ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Design summit feedback?
To clarify, I meant yahoo should collect its feedback together and post it. ~sean On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Sean Roberts sean...@yahoo-inc.commailto:sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: We can put out thoughts together then forward them to Lauren Sell. It will have more impact than the mailing list or hitting up the conference organizers individually. ~sean On Apr 19, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Joshua Harlow harlo...@yahoo-inc.commailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Hi all, Hope everyone had a super-awesome design summit. Is there a place where we can give feedback on what people think worked/didn’t work at the summit. I have some (many) suggestions and was wondering if there is a place for this? -Josh ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative
How about as many companies that want to contribute annually $100K to running the foundation separate from marketing and sponsorship, can do so. Each company or a self-affiliated block of companies can put forward their board candidate. The companies that contributed to the board can then vote on 2/3 of the overall board membership. The 8 candidates with the largest number of votes are board members for one year. The user community would still have 1/3 of the board seats to elect 4 people of note. The board membership would be limited to 12 people. This way, all the committees and boards will be elected. A board membership code of conduct will be very important in this situation, as to protect the community from some companies up to mischief. BTW, I see no reason to dirty the good name of Heidi Klum by dragging her into this. sean roberts infrastructure strategy sean...@yahoo-inc.comapplewebdata://2E35986A-DC2A-436F-BB4A-C451982006C2/sean...@yahoo-inc.com direct 408-349-5234mobile 925-980-4729 701 first avenue, sunnyvale, ca, 94089-0703, us phone (408) 349 3300fax (408) 349 3301 On 3/12/12 11:06 AM, Dallas Kashuba dal...@dreamhost.commailto:dal...@dreamhost.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2012, at 2:45 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Boris Renski Jr. wrote: While I like the simplicity and elegance of the newly proposed structure, I don’t see how it does away with the evils of the pay-to-play model…. Which is what you purport we are striving to achieve. What you, Josh, proposed is a simplified pay-to-play that arguably embraces the evils for the “market driven selfishness” in an even more obvious way than the model before it. In your case, all the seats are simply purchased for a fixed price of $200K. Right, any pay-to-play model will create a threshold effect, and Josh's proposal is just lowering the price to pay to get a reserved board seat to something that a company like Piston Cloud can pay. Since a lot of the 156 companies supporting OpenStack can afford such a price tag, you end up with a board containing too many directors. This is something I was wondering about myself. Would there be a limit on the number of directors under Josh's proposal? Once we accept this, the question of structuring the board really becomes the question of how does one raise the maximum amount of money to continue to have a centralized body with a mission to evangelize the project. You can structure it by tiers to let the bigger guys pay more and get a bigger logo on the homepage. You can do a flat structure like Josh proposed. You can auction off the board seats etc. I see four models for this: All individual seats: All board seats are elected, you get one vote for every foundation member. Sponsoring is done separately. This is likely to raise the smallest amount of money, and the problem remains at another level: what is a foundation member ?. I agree that this model is likely to raise the smallest amount of money. Tiered structure: this is the current proposal, which is well balanced. The only issue is that the board grows by 3 people when (if) a strategic member is added. This is another thing I was wondering about. Will there be a limit on the number of strategic members? I don't see the foundation wanting to turn away someone waving money around, but then you have to deal with board growth. Single-price: this is Josh's proposal, but I think it will result in a board that is too big and unable to function. Pay-to-vote: you have two classes: corporate seats and individual seats. Individual members elect the individual seats (which represent 25-33% of the total). Corporate seats are also all elected and corporations get a vote for every ?$ they put in. One drawback is that large corporations which are no longer guaranteed of getting a board seat will probably pay less under this model. Also agreed that large corporations will likely pay less without a guaranteed board seat. We've been watching this conversation with much interest over the last couple of days at DreamHost. Its great to see so many smart people who clearly care a great deal about this project and the foundation! I've been personally wrestling with this balance of fundraising vs the best leadership for the foundation. I think ultimately the best leadership would be the meritocratic approach insulated from the money side of things, but I also see a lot of value in the financial stability provided by larger companies committing to a significant amount of funding over the longer term. One additional question I've been pondering relates to both the Single-price and Tiered structure models as Thierry referred to them here. If you do put limits on total board seats (and thus total foundation membership), what do you do if there are more companies interested in membership than you have spots available? Do companies get turned away and if they do, what process is used to figure out who is in and who is out
Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack Foundation] Foundation Structure: An Alternative
We will make ourselves available. I am offering up a Yahoo meeting space in SF, Santa Clara, or Sunnyvale. Teleconference may be available on short notice. ~sean On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Joshua McKenty jos...@pistoncloud.commailto:jos...@pistoncloud.com wrote: This is great! Jonathan, do you think a completely-elected board is something that the larger corporations would go along with? Ben's suggestion to that effect certainly seems to be the simplest model, since we can scale the membership, deliver specific value for cash contributions, and still manage the size of the board. Regarding the Individual Member seats - I would like to echo Devin's concerns about stacking by strategic members. If these are truly independent, meaning that they're not employees of the corporate members, then I think it's a great benefit to have them be part of the board! I'm imagining folks like Tim Bell (CERN), Peter Mell (NIST) or Vint Cerf on there. Boris, I completely agree with decoupling of the business side of OpenStack from the technical side, and I think managing two separate organizations would be one way to achieve this. My concerns are solely on the business side right now. I've spent a lot of time chatting with the PTLs today, and I have confidence that they can hold the technical community to a meritocratic standard. I think the proposal to vote for seats on the foundation board is more about managing board size, than any crossover of technical community management. Having said that, I'm still concerned with the idea that we would let the bigger guys pay more and get a bigger logo on the homepage. If we're going to sell OpenStack privileges, I think we need to do it ala-cart, and explicitly. Some examples (echoing Ben Cherian's comments) might be: - Use of the trademark (for products, training, or certification) - Sponsorship of openstack events - Priority registration for summits and conferences (not necessarily in favor of this one...) While I was drafting this up, I saw Sean Robert's email suggesting that we meet face-to-face and work through some of this together - it seems like a fantastic plan to me, and I'll bump everything else from my schedule to make it happen if others are interested. What do you guys think? -- Joshua McKenty, CEO Piston Cloud Computing, Inc. w: (650) 24-CLOUD m: (650) 283-6846 http://www.pistoncloud.com Oh, Westley, we'll never survive! Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has. On Friday, March 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote: On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Boris Renski Jr. wrote: The one thing I would do away with is the “elected board members” in favor of more associate member seats. This almost feels like a way to compensate the technology side for giving the marketing side leverage over the former. If we feel that this is necessary, it is a symptom of presence of technology-commercial coupling and we need to fix something else. All technical members should be elected based on merit. All board members – appointed based on monetary/evangelism contribution. Decoupling between technology direction and purchasing power should be rock solid. Thanks for the thoughts, Boris. One point I'd make: the Individual Member seats are not just about compensating the technology side. It gives an opportunity for the entire community to elect representatives. These could be some of the luminaries Josh spoke of or others unaffiliated with any corporate member. Individual Membership is not limited solely to developers who are contributing code, but would include users, deployers, translators, marketers and people with all sorts of involvement in the community. Individual Membership is free and a great place for participants academic institutions, non-profits, etc. to participate with no price tag. Jonathan. ___ Foundation mailing list foundat...@lists.openstack.orgmailto:foundat...@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE
+1 for compute-cells ~sean On Feb 19, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: Fully agree with the prefix for the cell... there should be storage-cells and compute-cells with different goals in terms of data locality and availability, zone has become too overloaded... Tim -Original Message- From: openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+tim.bell=cern...@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Mark Washenberger Sent: 19 February 2012 19:54 To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Remove Zones code - FFE Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a single zone, so whatever term is used should make sense in a singular sense. That rules out names such as 'slice' or 'fragment'. I think this is a slightly outdated concept of zones. The key to scalability in nova is to divide the set of all compute nodes into subsets, each with its own messaging and database infrastructure. The granularity of everything else (scheduling, api, volume, network, what-have- you) is just an implementation or deployment detail that should be flexible depending on our ultimate implementation and any alternative strategies we expose to deployers. With this in mind it's still true that the smallest deployment would be likely include just one compute zone (or compute cell, as we are trending). But that is a far cry from the whole system even in a small deployment. For this reason, whatever name we choose I would hope we prefix it with compute- (i.e. compute-zone or compute-cell) so that we aren't letting language trick us out of some of our better implementation options, such as allowing deployers to scale compute, volume, network, and api resources separately. Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com said: On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Nathanael Burton wrote: Sectors remind me too much of disks. Agreed. How about? Layers, Slices, Fragments, Knots... Remember that for many deployments, the entire system will be a single zone, so whatever term is used should make sense in a singular sense. That rules out names such as 'slice' or 'fragment'. 'Knot'? In what sense can 'knot' be used? I still prefer 'cell'. The parallel to single celled / multi-cellular life forms makes sense, and there is really no overloading of the word in the world of computers. -- Ed Leafe ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp smime.p7s ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] [DEVSTACK] officialize it!
Hmm. Sounds like a good idea. I will reach out to the board and ask. ~sean On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Joshua Harlow harlo...@yahoo-inc.commailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Hi all, Over the weekend I was thinking (I know a first, haha). I was wondering if the community could elevate devstack to a official openstack project, instead of being a unofficial project. Since it seems like pretty much every developer (and even CI) is either depending on the shell script or the python script, so the unofficial wording seems incorrect. Hopefully we can have that happen and have this official project focus on just a developer setup script (imho the python version, since it fits in with the whole python model every other component is using and allows for features the shell script is not doing, multi-distro support, starting, stopping, uninstalling, object oriented design, to name a few...) of the openstack components (and not dive into the scripts that are showing up), ie leave that to 3rd party websites. What does everyone think? Maybe this can happen after essex? -Josh ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Proposal for new devstack (v2?)
Sweet. Will do next week. ~sean On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Joshua Harlow harlo...@yahoo-inc.commailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: For those that want to try it glance should be working! Since glance has dependencies on keystone, and the database both of these will be installed and started automatically (uninstall and starting and such should work!) How to accomplish this can be seen at the github page readme. https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2#readme I will write up some documents on the github twiki sometime soon with more details! Nova and the rest should be coming along soon. Hopefully this will make everyones lives easier in the end :-) Please try it out, feedback welcome :-) -Josh On 1/18/12 10:17 PM, Gary Kotton ga...@radware.com wrote: Brilliant! From: openstack-bounces+garyk=radware@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+garyk=radware@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of Joshua Harlow Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:21 PM To: Mark McLoughlin Cc: Andy Smith; openstack Subject: Re: [Openstack] Proposal for new devstack (v2?) Sweet, we are working on getting functionality for rhel and ubuntu up and going and then hopefully some docs (and code comments) can be added in so other people can know exactly what is going on (without the typical “go read the code” response). But the idea is the following: Have a set of json files (+ I added the ability to have simple comments) that specify the needed dependencies + versions (+ other metadata) for each distribution. https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2/blob/master/conf/pkgs/general.json Have those different sections be handled by a class specific to a distribution (or possibly shared, ie fedora and rhel). https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2/tree/master/devstack/packaging (WIP as we work with the rhel peoples to get the dependencies flushed out) Similar with pip installs (if any): https://github.com/yahoo/Openstack-Devstack2/tree/master/conf/pips Then this information can be updated as needed for each release of openstack (with exact dependencies, y a win for everyone!) so that this whole pkg process becomes better for everyone. Of course also we are allowing other types of running besides screen (I like just having it in the background via a fork with output going to files...) That’s whats going on so far :-) Thx, -Josh On 1/18/12 3:45 AM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 11:20 -0800, Joshua Harlow wrote: My goals were/are/(may continue to be, haha) the following: ... 3. Have the ability to have pkg/pip installation (and definition separate from the main code, already starting to be done), in more than 1 distro. * This allows others to easily know what versions of packages work for a given openstack release for more than one distro (yes that's right, more than ubuntu) Serious kudos to you guys on this part. IMHO, having a devstack that supports multiple distros is a massive win for OpenStack generally. Hopefully we can dig in and help with Fedora support soonish Cheers, Mark. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.netmailto:openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
