Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: This discussion invariably turns up on most open source mailing lists from time to time. Yeah, I'm sure the frequency of this discussion could be used as some kind of community metrics. People never agree on the best setting. Asking for this reply-to setting to be changed is merely shifting the pain away from one set of users (which includes you) onto other set of users (which includes me). There's no net gain here. Just shifting the pain. +1 As such IMHO we should leave it as it is. Especially since Launchpad-based MLs don't give us the option to change that behavior anyway :) -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) Release Manager, OpenStack ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
Thierry Carrez wrote: Daniel P. Berrange wrote: People never agree on the best setting. Asking for this reply-to setting to be changed is merely shifting the pain away from one set of users (which includes you) onto other set of users (which includes me). There's no net gain here. Just shifting the pain. +1 +1 Especially since Launchpad-based MLs don't give us the option to change that behavior anyway :) Sometimes the best feature of a system is the lack of certain features :-) Cheers, John ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
Thierry Carrez wrote:[snip] As such IMHO we should leave it as it is.Especially since Launchpad-based MLs don't give us the option tochangethat behavior anyway :)LMAO! TouchéCheers,Christopher FerrisIBM Distinguished Engineer, CTO Industry and Cloud StandardsMember, IBM Academy of TechnologyIBM Software Group, Standards Strategyemail: chris...@us.ibm.comTwitter: christo4ferrisphone: +1 508 234 2986 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
Stefano, If a subscriber reply to a mailing list message, it's sent to the author only. Each subscriber should use Reply to All every time, to post a reply to mailing list. Can you please configure the mailing list and set reply-to header as mailing list address, openstack@lists.launchpad.net. With this setup, if the user click reply in his email client, the message is sent to mailing list, instead of the author. Thank you, -- Regards, Bhuvaneswaran A www.livecipher.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
+1 On Jul 31, 2012 10:52 AM, Bhuvaneswaran A bhu...@apache.org wrote: Stefano, If a subscriber reply to a mailing list message, it's sent to the author only. Each subscriber should use Reply to All every time, to post a reply to mailing list. Can you please configure the mailing list and set reply-to header as mailing list address, openstack@lists.launchpad.net. With this setup, if the user click reply in his email client, the message is sent to mailing list, instead of the author. Thank you, -- Regards, Bhuvaneswaran A www.livecipher.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012, Bhuvaneswaran A bhu...@apache.org wrote: If a subscriber reply to a mailing list message, it's sent to the author only. Each subscriber should use Reply to All every time, to post a reply to mailing list. Can you please configure the mailing list and set reply-to header as mailing list address, openstack@lists.launchpad.net. With this setup, if the user click reply in his email client, the message is sent to mailing list, instead of the author. As a counter-point, I'd prefer to keep the list as it is and *not* munge Reply-To. Since Chip summarizes it better than I can, I'll link to his article 'Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful': http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html JE ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
On 07/31/2012 02:09 PM, Johannes Erdfelt wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012, Bhuvaneswaran A bhu...@apache.org wrote: If a subscriber reply to a mailing list message, it's sent to the author only. Each subscriber should use Reply to All every time, to post a reply to mailing list. Can you please configure the mailing list and set reply-to header as mailing list address, openstack@lists.launchpad.net. With this setup, if the user click reply in his email client, the message is sent to mailing list, instead of the author. As a counter-point, I'd prefer to keep the list as it is and *not* munge Reply-To. Since Chip summarizes it better than I can, I'll link to his article 'Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful': http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ++ Just use a decent email program (i.e. not Outlook) that gives you things like Reply to List. -jay ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:50:02AM -0700, Bhuvaneswaran A wrote: Stefano, If a subscriber reply to a mailing list message, it's sent to the author only. Each subscriber should use Reply to All every time, to post a reply to mailing list. Can you please configure the mailing list and set reply-to header as mailing list address, openstack@lists.launchpad.net. With this setup, if the user click reply in his email client, the message is sent to mailing list, instead of the author. This discussion invariably turns up on most open source mailing lists from time to time. People never agree on the best setting. Asking for this reply-to setting to be changed is merely shifting the pain away from one set of users (which includes you) onto other set of users (which includes me). There's no net gain here. Just shifting the pain. As such IMHO we should leave it as it is. Daniel -- |: http://berrange.com -o-http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :| ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
On 07/31/2012 02:13 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: As a counter-point, I'd prefer to keep the list as it is and *not* munge Reply-To. Since Chip summarizes it better than I can, I'll link to his article 'Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful': http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html ++ Just use a decent email program (i.e. not Outlook) that gives you things like Reply to List. Just switch email programs isn't really an option for many, especially if they are working with their corporate email infrastructure. My personal experience is Reply-to munging is important to keep the communication on list. Defaults matter. And changing 1 header on 1 server, instead of making 3816 people (the active count on openstack group in launchpad) change their email client, seems the polite thing to do. :) That being said, I realize we're entering mostly a land of religion here. So I'll just end with a long live emacs! to try to get us to the godwin rule as fast as possible. -Sean -- Sean Dague IBM Linux Technology Center email: sda...@linux.vnet.ibm.com alt-email: slda...@us.ibm.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.comwrote: This discussion invariably turns up on most open source mailing lists from time to time. People never agree on the best setting. Asking for this reply-to setting to be changed is merely shifting the pain away from one set of users (which includes you) onto other set of users (which includes me). There's no net gain here. Just shifting the pain. As such IMHO we should leave it as it is. I have to disagree. Defaulting to reply-all does provide at least one major benefit: More conversations end up occurring in public, this means more open communication and larger archives of discussions and problems + solutions. The mailing list is after all a community resource. Your and my personal preferences come second to that IMHO. Obviously a +1 from me for the change. Thanks, Kiall ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
That being said, I realize we're entering mostly a land of religion here. So I'll just end with a long live emacs! to try to get us to the godwin rule as fast as possible. The Nazis had Headers too. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
From: Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:50:02AM -0700, Bhuvaneswaran A wrote: Stefano, If a subscriber reply to a mailing list message, it's sent to the author only. Each subscriber should use Reply to All every time, to post a reply to mailing list. Can you please configure the mailing list and set reply-to header as mailing list address, openstack@lists.launchpad.net. With this setup, if the user click reply in his email client, the message is sent to mailing list, instead of the author. This discussion invariably turns up on most open source mailing lists from time to time. People never agree on the best setting. Asking for this reply-to setting to be changed is merely shifting the pain away from one set of users (which includes you) onto other set of users (which includes me). There's no net gain here. Just shifting the pain. As such IMHO we should leave it as it is. Is it possible to configure the behavior per user? I have found several threads raising the need for such a feature, but don't know if anyone actually bothered to implement it (seems to be rather straightforward). Regards, Alex ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Alex Glikson glik...@il.ibm.com wrote: This discussion invariably turns up on most open source mailing lists from time to time. People never agree on the best setting. Asking for this reply-to setting to be changed is merely shifting the pain away from one set of users (which includes you) onto other set of users (which includes me). There's no net gain here. Just shifting the pain. As such IMHO we should leave it as it is. Is it possible to configure the behavior per user? I have found several threads raising the need for such a feature, but don't know if anyone actually bothered to implement it (seems to be rather straightforward). I'm sure Launchpad doesn't support user level configuration, to edit email headers. -- Regards, Bhuvaneswaran A www.livecipher.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Openstack] Default reply to behavior for mailing list
I'm sure Launchpad doesn't support user level configuration, to edit email headers. We're moving off of launchpad to mailman proper anyways. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
