Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Duncan McGreggor wrote: Given no option Bs, the simplicity of option C is most appealing to me. Option C is actually like a B0 (single list for user/operators/general questions), but named openstack-operators instead of openstack, openstack-general or openstack-user[s]. I'm not a big fan of

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: I think the best option then is to clone openstack@launchpad in the new host and leave operators as is (at least for the moment). Suboptimal, maybe, but I believe it solves the issue at hand (consolidate lists on one host) and doens't create extra work or stress.

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-14 Thread Stefano Maffulli
I think the best option then is to clone openstack@launchpad in the new host and leave operators as is (at least for the moment). Suboptimal, maybe, but I believe it solves the issue at hand (consolidate lists on one host) and doens't create extra work or stress. If nobody stops me, I'll go on

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-14 Thread Brian Schott
Looks like there is general agreement. For those who are concerned about confusion of too many lists, there are already 11 public lists at http://lists.openstack.org. What really is missing of course, is a general list called openstack when new people show up at lists.openstack.org. What is

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-14 Thread Frans Thamura
hi all there are several openstack mailing also in launchpad, will it move all to lists.openstack.org? F ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
Russell Bryant wrote: On 09/12/2012 08:56 PM, Syd (Sydney) Logan wrote: Guess the only advantage would be to minimize the chance of someone missing the security related messages in the noise of a heavy traffic mailing list. Even if there were a specialized list, I’d think you’d want to cross

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-13 Thread Kiall Mac Innes
It may be worth trying to write a short sentence describing the purpose of each list. The kind of sentence new users will see when deciding which lists to subscribe to. Personally - I think it's going to be difficult to come up with a clear distinction between the general and operators lists, and

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-13 Thread Daniel He
I like option B because this is more clear view of the project as we did in many opensource projects before. Obviously the cross-posting is inevitable. the goal should limit the number of cross-postings. Cheers, Dan Option B: openstack-u...@lists.openstack.org

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-13 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/13/2012 01:45 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: That would be option B2 (single user/general list, named openstack): openst...@lists.openstack.org openstack-annou...@lists.openstack.org openstack-...@lists.openstack.org I think it's the clearest to avoid cross-posting... Reminder: here

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-13 Thread Duncan McGreggor
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.orgwrote: On 09/13/2012 01:45 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: That would be option B2 (single user/general list, named openstack): openst...@lists.openstack.org openstack-annou...@lists.openstack.org

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-13 Thread Russell Bryant
On 09/13/2012 09:04 PM, Duncan McGreggor wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org Option C (dev, announce and operators as user/general list --no renames, no moving stuff around, just a new description) openstack-operat...@lists.openstack.org

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-12 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/04/2012 09:57 AM, Duncan McGreggor wrote: Do we have information on the type/number of discussions that are user and not operator? general and not user or operator? well, that would be good to know. Like it would be good to understand what sort of topics we get on each lists. From what I

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-12 Thread Kevin Jackson
My two penneth worth: I'd be confused as to what the difference between general and operators would be and would result in people posting to both - so that goes for openstack@... openstack-general@... and openstack-operators@ It would seem that there is a clear distinction between development

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-12 Thread Mark Collier
+ 2 shekels On Sep 12, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Kevin Jackson ke...@linuxservices.co.uk wrote: My two penneth worth: I'd be confused as to what the difference between general and operators would be and would result in people posting to both - so that goes for openstack@...

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-12 Thread Asher Newcomer
To chime in as a lurker around here, this sounds good, but why add the security list? It seems like security specific topics would interest those subscribed to the general list as well. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Kevin Jackson ke...@linuxservices.co.ukwrote: My two penneth worth: I'd be

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-12 Thread Syd (Sydney) Logan
@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list) To chime in as a lurker around here, this sounds good, but why add the security list? It seems like security specific topics would interest those subscribed to the general list as well. On Wed, Sep 12

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: Now, the main question is still open: where should the General mailing list go? Anybody disagrees that we should merge this list into 'Operators'? I think there are two options: Option A1: openstack-gene...@lists.openstack.org openstack-operat...@lists.openstack.org

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-04 Thread Frans Thamura
i vote to keep this mailing list as general +1 F On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: Stefano Maffulli wrote: Now, the main question is still open: where should the General mailing list go? Anybody disagrees that we should merge this list into

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
Troy Toman wrote: I would vote for A2. I don't see a need to replace this list. You mean you'd just keep it the way it currently is (with the general list hosted on launchpad ?) That would be a new option: Option Z: openstack@lists.launchpad.net openstack-operat...@lists.openstack.org

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-04 Thread Troy Toman
My apologies. I missed that detail in the rush to get through my inbox this morning. I do think we should move off of the launchpad-based list. But, I prefer the simpler format of just 'openstack' vs. 'openstack-general' So, I still would vote for A2 over new option Z. Troy On Sep 4, 2012, at

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-09-04 Thread Ryan Lane
Of the As, Option A1 in particular is my preference. However, I've heard a lot of talk about people wanting a users and operators list to be merged -- with enough support for that, I would be happy with Option B. +1 Do we have information on the type/number of discussions that are user

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-28 Thread Francis J. Lacoste
On 12-08-27 08:32 PM, Andrew Clay Shafer wrote: For exporting from Launchpad, surely someone at Canonical would be able and willing to get that list of emails. We can provide the mailing list pickle (Mailman 2) which contains all the email addresses as well as preferences. If people think

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-28 Thread Andrew Clay Shafer
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Francis J. Lacoste francis.laco...@canonical.com wrote: On 12-08-27 08:32 PM, Andrew Clay Shafer wrote: For exporting from Launchpad, surely someone at Canonical would be able and willing to get that list of emails. We can provide the mailing list

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-28 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 08/28/2012 08:59 AM, Francis J. Lacoste wrote: We can provide the mailing list pickle (Mailman 2) which contains all the email addresses as well as preferences. That's good the hear, thanks. Canonical has always been conservative about disclosing email addresses of Launchpad's members. Let's

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-28 Thread Brian Schott
At the risk of getting bad e-karma for cross posting to openstack-operators, that might be the place to post that question. I for one disagree that we should merge the openstack general list into openstack-operat...@lists.openstack.org and the only other vote I caught on this thread also

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-28 Thread Andrew Clay Shafer
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Brian Schott brian.sch...@nimbisservices.com wrote: At the risk of getting bad e-karma for cross posting to openstack-operators, that might be the place to post that question. I for one disagree that we should merge the openstack general list into

[Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-27 Thread Stefano Maffulli
Hello folks picking up this comment on the Development mailing list: On Mon 27 Aug 2012 02:08:48 PM PDT, Jason Kölker wrote: I've noticed that both this list and the old launchpad lists are being used. Which is the correct list? I sent the following message, with questions at the end that are

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-27 Thread Brian Schott
Stef, It's pretty obvious to me that there should be a general list at openst...@lists.openstack.org. The operators list is intended for operations people that host OpenStack deployments, not a general OpenStack user audience. I'd create the general openstack list, and setup a daily post to

Re: [Openstack] Future of Launchpad OpenStack mailing list (this list)

2012-08-27 Thread Andrew Clay Shafer
There are at least end users, operators and developers in the OpenStack technical ecosystem. There are also 'OpenStack' related discussions that aren't technical in nature. It doesn't seem right to make the operators list a catchall. For exporting from Launchpad, surely someone at Canonical