Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-27 Thread Steve Baker
On 25/04/14 11:29, Clint Byrum wrote: Also by loading the whole stack we've allowed resources to bleed into other resource. Currently to read Metadata for a single item that entails _a lot_ of queries to the database because we end up having to load the entire stack. We can't continue that as

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Chris Armstrong
On April 23, 2014 at 7:47:37 PM, Robert Collins (robe...@robertcollins.netmailto:robe...@robertcollins.net) wrote: Hi, we've got this summit session planned - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 which is really about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-workflow-vs-convergence We'd love

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 23/04/14 20:45, Robert Collins wrote: Hi, we've got this summit session planned - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 which is really about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-workflow-vs-convergence We'd love feedback and questions - this is a significant amount of work, but work

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Joshua Harlow
: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec On April 23, 2014 at 7:47:37 PM, Robert Collins (robe...@robertcollins.netmailto:robe...@robertcollins.net) wrote: Hi, we've got this summit session planned - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 which is really about https

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-04-24 14:23:38 -0700: On 23/04/14 20:45, Robert Collins wrote: Hi, we've got this summit session planned - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 which is really about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-workflow-vs-convergence We'd

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Qiming Teng
Specifically, I am not clear on whether 'convergence' means: (a) Heat continues to respect the dependency graph but does not stop after one traversal, instead repeatedly processing it until (and even after) the stack is complete; or (b) Heat ignores the dependency graph and just

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 April 2014 14:31, Qiming Teng teng...@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote: s needed. This obsoletes that. We don't need to keep track if we adopt a convergence model. The template that the user has asked for, is the template we converge on. The diff between that and reality dictates the changes we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 April 2014 04:49, Chris Armstrong chris.armstr...@rackspace.com wrote: On April 23, 2014 at 7:47:37 PM, Robert Collins (robe...@robertcollins.net) wrote: Hi, we've got this summit session planned - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 which is really about

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-24 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 April 2014 09:23, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: - take a holistic view and fix the system's emergent properties by using a different baseline architecture within it - ??? - profit! Thanks for writing this up Rob. This is certainly a more ambitious scale of application

[openstack-dev] [Heat][Summit] Input wanted - real world heat spec

2014-04-23 Thread Robert Collins
Hi, we've got this summit session planned - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 which is really about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-workflow-vs-convergence We'd love feedback and questions - this is a significant amount of work, but work I (and many others based on responses so