Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-31 Thread Miguel Ángel Ajo
On Tuesday, 31 de March de 2015 at 7:14, George Shuklin wrote: On 03/30/2015 11:18 AM, Kevin Benton wrote: What does fog do? Is it just a client to the Neutron HTTP API? If so, it should not have broken like that because the API has remained pretty stable. If it's a deployment

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-31 Thread Kevin Benton
Assaf, can you provide some context on why this option had to be deprecated? Isn't the no namespace case a degenerate version of all of stuff scoped to a namespace, or is it not that simple? I'm less convinced that deprecating is the right move here if it's just to make the code easier to manage.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-30 Thread Kevin Benton
What does fog do? Is it just a client to the Neutron HTTP API? If so, it should not have broken like that because the API has remained pretty stable. If it's a deployment tool, then I could see that because the configuration options to tend to suffer quite a bit of churn as tools used by the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-30 Thread George Shuklin
On 03/30/2015 11:18 AM, Kevin Benton wrote: What does fog do? Is it just a client to the Neutron HTTP API? If so, it should not have broken like that because the API has remained pretty stable. If it's a deployment tool, then I could see that because the configuration options to tend to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-29 Thread George Shuklin
On 03/24/2015 09:21 PM, Assaf Muller wrote: Note that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166888/ has been merged. This means that the option has been deprecated for K and will be removed in L. Anyone using the non-default value of False will be looking at errors in his logs. Well, I have

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-24 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 3/23/2015 3:56 AM, Miguel Ángel Ajo wrote: I see you point Van, In the other hand, removing it, cleans up lot of conditional code parts (moving parts at the other side), and also the non-netns case is not tested by upstream CI, AFAIK, so it could be broken anytime and we would not notice

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-24 Thread Assaf Muller
Note that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166888/ has been merged. This means that the option has been deprecated for K and will be removed in L. Anyone using the non-default value of False will be looking at errors in his logs. - Original Message - On 3/23/2015 3:56 AM, Miguel

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-23 Thread Van Leeuwen, Robert
I think there are valid reasons to not use namespaces: * Fewer moving parts == less can potentialy fail * Troubleshooting is easier due to less places to look / need no familiarity with namespaces tools * If I remember correctly setting up a namespace can get really slow when you

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-23 Thread Van Leeuwen, Robert
Are the setups out there *not* using the use_namespaces option? I'm curious as to why, and if it would be difficult to migrate such a setup to use namespaces. At my previous employer we did not use namespaces. This was due to a installation a few years ago on SL6 which did not have name

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-23 Thread Miguel Ángel Ajo
On Monday, 23 de March de 2015 at 8:20, Van Leeuwen, Robert wrote: Are the setups out there *not* using the use_namespaces option? I'm curious as to why, and if it would be difficult to migrate such a setup to use namespaces. At my previous employer we did not use

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-23 Thread Miguel Ángel Ajo
I see you point Van, In the other hand, removing it, cleans up lot of conditional code parts (moving parts at the other side), and also the non-netns case is not tested by upstream CI, AFAIK, so it could be broken anytime and we would not notice it. Miguel Ángel Ajo On Monday, 23 de March

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [Neutron] Deprecating the use_namespaces option - Now's the time to speak up!

2015-03-23 Thread gustavo panizzo (gfa)
On 2015-03-21 02:57, Assaf Muller wrote: Hello everyone, The use_namespaces option in the L3 and DHCP Neutron agents controls if you can create multiple routers and DHCP networks managed by a single L3/DHCP agent, or if the agent manages only a single resource. Are the setups out there *not*