Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Fox, Kevin M
, September 27, 2018 12:35 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series On 9/27/2018 2:33 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > If the project plugins were maintained by the OSC project still, maybe there >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 9/27/2018 2:33 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: If the project plugins were maintained by the OSC project still, maybe there would be incentive for the various other projects to join the OSC project, scaling things up? Sure, I don't really care about governance. But I also don't really care about

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Fox, Kevin M
27, 2018 12:12 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series On 9/27/2018 10:13 AM, Dean Troyer wrote: > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> Monty Taylor writes:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 9/27/2018 10:13 AM, Dean Troyer wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Monty Taylor writes: Main difference is making sure these new deconstructed plugin teams understand the client support lifecycle - which is that we don't drop support for old versions of services

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Dean Troyer
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Monty Taylor writes: >> Main difference is making sure these new deconstructed plugin teams >> understand the client support lifecycle - which is that we don't drop >> support for old versions of services in OSC (or SDK). It's a shift from

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Dean Troyer
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > I definitely think having details about the gaps would be a prerequisite > for approving a goal, but I wonder if that's something 1 person could > even do alone. Is this an area where a small team is needed? Maybe, but it does break down

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Doug Hellmann
Monty Taylor writes: > Main difference is making sure these new deconstructed plugin teams > understand the client support lifecycle - which is that we don't drop > support for old versions of services in OSC (or SDK). It's a shift from > the support lifecycle and POV of python-*client, but

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Doug Hellmann
Dean Troyer writes: > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: >> I started documenting the compute API gaps in OSC last release [1]. It's a >> big gap and needs a lot of work, even for existing CLIs (the cold/live >> migration CLIs in OSC are a mess, and you can't even boot from

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-27 Thread Thierry Carrez
First I think that is a great goal, but I want to pick up on Dean's comment: Dean Troyer wrote: [...] The OSC core team is very thin, yes, it seems as though companies don't like to spend money on client-facing things...I'll be in the hall following this thread should anyone want to talk... I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-26 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/26/2018 04:33 PM, Dean Troyer wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: I started documenting the compute API gaps in OSC last release [1]. It's a big gap and needs a lot of work, even for existing CLIs (the cold/live migration CLIs in OSC are a mess, and you can't

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-26 Thread Rochelle Grober
ooperation,Silicon Valley Research Center From:Mathieu Gagné To:openstack-s...@lists.openstack.org, Cc:OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions),OpenStack Operators, Date:2018-09-26 12:41:24 Subject:Re: [Openstack-sigs] [openstack-dev] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection fo

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-26 Thread Dean Troyer
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: > I started documenting the compute API gaps in OSC last release [1]. It's a > big gap and needs a lot of work, even for existing CLIs (the cold/live > migration CLIs in OSC are a mess, and you can't even boot from volume where > nova creates

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-26 Thread Tom Barron
usage questions)" Date: Wednesday, 26 September 2018 at 18:00 To: openstack-dev , openstack-operators , openstack-sigs Subject: [openstack-dev] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series It's time to start thinking about community-wide goals for the T series. We use

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-sigs] [goals][tc][ptl][uc] starting goal selection for T series

2018-09-26 Thread Mathieu Gagné
l that goals should include this audience also. > > Tim > > -Original Message- > From: Doug Hellmann > Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Date: Wednesday, 26 September 2018 at 18:00 > To: openstack-dev , opensta