Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

"Right, so we all agree that what we *don't* want is TC candidates saying "I'm here to represent the interests of user community X against those of evil user community Y", all of the X users voting for X candidates and not Y candidates, and then the elected X members voting to block anything that

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On 17/10/17 14:16, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-16 18:10:20 -0400: On 14/10/17 11:47, Doug Hellmann wrote: Even the rewritten question can be answered legitimately using several different personas by people with a bit of experience. I have worked at a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-16 18:10:20 -0400: > On 14/10/17 11:47, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-13 15:21:14 -0400: > >> Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I > >> want to rephrase the question, because

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On 14/10/17 11:47, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-13 15:21:14 -0400: Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either failing to understand or refusing to answer it

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 12:51 -0400, Zane Bitter wrote: > So my question to the TC candidates (and incumbent TC members, or > anyone else, if they want to answer) is: what does the hypothetical > OpenStack user that is top-of-mind in your head look like? Who are > _you_ building OpenStack for?

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I > want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either > failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it. >

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2017-10-13 15:21:14 -0400: > Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I > want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either > failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it. > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Hi Zane, A few comments in line. Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó (IRC: ildikov) > On 2017. Oct 13., at 21:21, Zane Bitter wrote: > > Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I want > to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > All sarcasm aside though, 'everyone' is a BS non-answer. It's the > politician's answer. > > Not only because engineering trade-offs are a real thing, and some use cases > will *definitely* be excluded in order to better

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Interesting, now I like this thread more. Back to the original question "what does an OpenStack user look like?", I'd like to translate it as "what does a cloud user look like?". Unless we want to limit "OpenStack" as a software for VPS service. IMHO, the cloud user is developers, who can use the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Replying to myself here, to avoid singling anyone in particular out. I want to rephrase the question, because people are overwhelmingly either failing to understand or refusing to answer it in the way I intended it. Most of the candidates are essentially saying that the answer is 'everyone'.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

I used to be able to say "my OpenStack background is in Operations" but that isn't strictly true anymore. I've now spent the majority of my time doing what is considered 'developer' work. One thing is for certain though, I have never stopped building OpenStack for what I see as the "hypothetical

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:51 PM Zane Bitter wrote: > (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have > the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends > on Saturday, so make with the questions.) > > > In my head, I have a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Zane, thanks for the question. Let me answer from the perspective of an OpenStack user (I work for Verizon) and from a developer (both now, and in the past as part of Tesora). OpenStack has multiple different users: - Deployers: People who deploy OpenStack and operate a cloud environment. -

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Zane, Thanks for raising the discussion. We recently discuss a lot about what's OpenStack, what OpenStack Foundation should be. I would like to list some discussion I involved before [1]. OpenSack affects following people and organizations. we should consider when we make decisions. *Q1: Who

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On 12/10/17 17:51, Zane Bitter wrote: > (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have > the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends > on Saturday, so make with the questions.) > > > In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Hi All, Let me reflect to the question in the subject first where I would like to stick to the word ‘user’ and keep my answer simple. I think an OpenStack user is/looks like as an average person. To give a longer explanation, in my view when we are designing our user-facing API’s we need to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51:10PM -0400, Zane Bitter wrote: > (Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have the > opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends on > Saturday, so make with the questions.) > > > In my head, I have a mental picture

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > On 12/10/17 15:07, Mohammed Naser wrote: >> >> Hi Zane, >> >> Thank you for your question. I think you're raising a critical >> question which we must all come to (fairly relative) agreement to so >> that we can all build

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On 12/10/17 19:43, Fox, Kevin M wrote: I slightly disagree. I think there are 3 sets of users not 2... Operators, Tenant Users, and Tenant Application Developers. Tenant Application Developers develop software that the Tenant Users deploy in their tenant. Most OpenStack developers consider

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

.openstack.org > *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an > OpenStack user look like? > > That's one of the points I mentioned in my candidacy: whom we're > building the software for. As a service maintainer and upstream > developer of a public c

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

On 12/10/17 15:07, Mohammed Naser wrote: Hi Zane, Thank you for your question. I think you're raising a critical question which we must all come to (fairly relative) agreement to so that we can all build OpenStack in the same direction. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Zane Bitter

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

From: Fei Long Wang [feil...@catalyst.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:16 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like? That's one of the points I mentioned in my candidacy: whom we're building

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

That's one of the points I mentioned in my candidacy: whom we're building the software for. As a service maintainer and upstream developer of a public cloud based on OpenStack, I would say some times we're mixing the term 'users'. The user in OpenStack world includes *operators* and *tenant users*

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Replying on top of Mohammed, since I like his answer and want to add some comments. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Mohammed Naser wrote: [...] > Ideally, I think that OpenStack should be targeted to become a core > infrastructure tool that's part of organizations all

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

Hi Zane, Thank you for your question. I think you're raising a critical question which we must all come to (fairly relative) agreement to so that we can all build OpenStack in the same direction. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > (Reminder: we are in

[openstack-dev] [all][tc] TC Candidates: what does an OpenStack user look like?

(Reminder: we are in the TC election campaigning period, and we all have the opportunity to question the candidates. The campaigning period ends on Saturday, so make with the questions.) In my head, I have a mental picture of who I'm building OpenStack for. When I'm making design decisions I