Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Le 17/12/2013 14:59, Thierry Carrez a écrit : Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 13:44 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: How about if we had an emerging projects page where the TC feedback on each project would be listed? That would give visibility to our

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sylvain Bauza wrote: Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but Stackforge is already the place for promising projects ? If so, why creating a wikipage for listing them ? Not really. Any project can be in stackforge. It doesn't have to be promising or to want to ever be part of the integrated openstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-18 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Le 18/12/2013 11:25, Thierry Carrez a écrit : Sylvain Bauza wrote: Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but Stackforge is already the place for promising projects ? If so, why creating a wikipage for listing them ? Not really. Any project can be in stackforge. It doesn't have to be promising or to

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 16/12/13 23:49 +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Thierry, On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 15:53 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, TL;DR: Incubation is getting harder, why not ask efforts to apply for a new program first to get the visibility they need to grow. Long version: Last cycle we

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: I'm not totally convinced we need such formality around the TC expressing its support for an early-stage program/project/effort/team. This is a difficult balance. You want to help a number of projects attract more contributors and reach critical mass. For that, they want

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2013/16/12 15:19, Flavio Percoco wrote: 1. Programs that are not part of OpenStack's release cycle shouldn't be considered official nor they should have the rights that integrated projects have. I don't agree on this point. There might be supportive teams, which are helping OpenStack in

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 11:25 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: I'm not totally convinced we need such formality around the TC expressing its support for an early-stage program/project/effort/team. This is a difficult balance. You want to help a number of projects

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: How about if we had an emerging projects page where the TC feedback on each project would be listed? That would give visibility to our feedback, without making it a yes/no blessing. Ok, whether to list any feedback about the project on the page is a yes/no decision,

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 13:44 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: How about if we had an emerging projects page where the TC feedback on each project would be listed? That would give visibility to our feedback, without making it a yes/no blessing. Ok, whether to list any

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 13:44 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: How about if we had an emerging projects page where the TC feedback on each project would be listed? That would give visibility to our feedback, without making it a yes/no blessing. Ok,

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 17/12/13 11:54 +0100, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2013/16/12 15:19, Flavio Percoco wrote: 1. Programs that are not part of OpenStack's release cycle shouldn't be considered official nor they should have the rights that integrated projects have. I don't agree on this point. There might be

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 17/12/13 14:59 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 13:44 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: How about if we had an emerging projects page where the TC feedback on each project would be listed? That would give visibility to our

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi, Murano project volunteers to be a first project applying to Emerging projects program. Murano was here quite long time and it was developed taking into account all OpenStack development processes. I think Murano is a good candidate to be a first project in this new program as it should be

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-17 Thread Dina Belova
Mark, I love that idea. It seems to me nice to have 'projects kindergarten' were every one is blessed because of youth and perspective from the point of OpenStack future, but at the same time it will be some scale of being talented and experienced for these 'children'. It might solve problem of

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-16 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 13/12/13 16:37 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 13/12/13 15:53 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, TL;DR: Incubation is getting harder, why not ask efforts to apply for a new program first to get the visibility they need to grow. Long version: Last cycle we introduced the concept of

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
Flavio Percoco wrote: What I'm arguing here is: 1. Programs that are not part of OpenStack's release cycle shouldn't be considered official nor they should have the rights that integrated projects have. 2. I think requesting Programs to exist at the early stages of the project is not

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-16 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: Flavio Percoco wrote: What I'm arguing here is: 1. Programs that are not part of OpenStack's release cycle shouldn't be considered official nor they should have the rights that integrated projects have. 2.

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-13 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 13/12/13 15:53 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, TL;DR: Incubation is getting harder, why not ask efforts to apply for a new program first to get the visibility they need to grow. Long version: Last cycle we introduced the concept of Programs to replace the concept of Official

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-13 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/13/2013 10:37 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 13/12/13 15:53 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, TL;DR: Incubation is getting harder, why not ask efforts to apply for a new program first to get the visibility they need to grow. Long version: Last cycle we introduced the

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-13 Thread Sylvain Bauza
While I agree with most of what Thierry said, I need clarifications though, on what a Program is, and what is the key point where an idea should get its own Program instead of being headed by an already existing Program. For example, take Barbican which is providing extra features to Keystone, or

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sylvain Bauza wrote: While I agree with most of what Thierry said, I need clarifications though, on what a Program is, A team is a group of people working on a given mission. They can be freely created. They apply to become an OpenStack Program if they feel their (well-established) mission is

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-13 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 13/12/13 10:44 -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: On 12/13/2013 10:37 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 13/12/13 15:53 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, TL;DR: Incubation is getting harder, why not ask efforts to apply for a new program first to get the visibility they need to grow. Long

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-13 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Thanks Thierry. AFAIK, Compute (Nova) is not having yet its own mission statement, so I guess any project with different people than regular Nova ATCs should consider an request for new Program if they feel there is difference in terms of feature delivery ? -Sylvain 2013/12/13 Thierry Carrez

Re: [openstack-dev] [governance] Becoming a Program, before applying for incubation

2013-12-13 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Apologies for the miss, I just double-checked and Nova does have its own mission statement : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/programs.yaml Thanks, -Sylvain 2013/12/13 Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@gmail.com Thanks Thierry. AFAIK, Compute (Nova) is not having