Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-19 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hi Armando, On Tue, 2014-06-17 at 14:51 +0200, Armando M. wrote: I wonder what the turnaround of trivial patches actually is, I bet you it's very very small, and as Daniel said, the human burden is rather minimal (I would be more concerned about slowing them down in the gate, but I digress).

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-19 Thread Matthew Booth
On 19/06/14 08:32, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Armando, On Tue, 2014-06-17 at 14:51 +0200, Armando M. wrote: I wonder what the turnaround of trivial patches actually is, I bet you it's very very small, and as Daniel said, the human burden is rather minimal (I would be more concerned about

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-19 Thread Russell Bryant
On 06/18/2014 08:31 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com mailto:cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Duncan Thomas's message of 2014-06-17 03:56:10 -0700: A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial review issues

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-19 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2014-06-19 at 09:34 +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: On 19/06/14 08:32, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Armando, On Tue, 2014-06-17 at 14:51 +0200, Armando M. wrote: I wonder what the turnaround of trivial patches actually is, I bet you it's very very small, and as Daniel said, the human

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-19 Thread Matthew Booth
On 19/06/14 13:22, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-19 at 09:34 +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: On 19/06/14 08:32, Mark McLoughlin wrote: Hi Armando, On Tue, 2014-06-17 at 14:51 +0200, Armando M. wrote: I wonder what the turnaround of trivial patches actually is, I bet you it's very very

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Matthew Booth
On 17/06/14 17:55, Russell Bryant wrote: On 06/17/2014 12:22 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial review issues on core reviewers is

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:55:26PM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 06/17/2014 12:22 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Russell Bryant wrote: On 06/17/2014 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: On 17/06/14 12:36, Sean Dague wrote: It could go in the commit message: TrivialFix Then could be queried with -

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Steven Hardy
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:04:15AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Russell Bryant wrote: On 06/17/2014 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: On 17/06/14 12:36, Sean Dague wrote: It could go in the commit message: TrivialFix

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/18/2014 04:46 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:55:26PM -0400, Russell Bryant wrote: On 06/17/2014 12:22 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: A far more effective

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/18/2014 05:24 AM, Steven Hardy wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:04:15AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Russell Bryant wrote: On 06/17/2014 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: On 17/06/14 12:36, Sean Dague wrote: It could go

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 18 June 2014 10:04, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: As an aside, we don't really need two core reviewers to bless a trivial change: one could be considered sufficient. So a patch marked as trivial which has a number of +1s could be +2/APRVed directly by a core reviewer. That

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/18/2014 08:26 AM, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 18 June 2014 10:04, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: As an aside, we don't really need two core reviewers to bless a trivial change: one could be considered sufficient. So a patch marked as trivial which has a number of +1s could be

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Matthew Booth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/06/14 13:31, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/18/2014 08:26 AM, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 18 June 2014 10:04, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: As an aside, we don't really need two core reviewers to bless a trivial change: one could be

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 18 June 2014 15:28, Matthew Booth mbo...@redhat.com wrote: On 18/06/14 13:31, Sean Dague wrote: Even with 2 +2s you do the wrong thing. Yesterday we landed baremetal tests that broke ironic. It has a ton of +1s from people that have been working on those tests. This is slightly off topic,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Chris Friesen
On 06/18/2014 08:35 AM, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 18 June 2014 15:28, Matthew Booth mbo...@redhat.com wrote: The answer is not always more review: there are other tools in the box. Imagine we spent 50% of the time we spend on review writing tempest tests instead. Or we push the work off of core

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Martin Geisler
Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com writes: On 06/18/2014 08:35 AM, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 18 June 2014 15:28, Matthew Booth mbo...@redhat.com wrote: The answer is not always more review: there are other tools in the box. Imagine we spent 50% of the time we spend on review writing

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-18 Thread Joe Gordon
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Duncan Thomas's message of 2014-06-17 03:56:10 -0700: A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial review issues on core reviewers is for none-core reviewers to get in there first, spot the

[openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Matthew Booth
We all know that review can be a bottleneck for Nova patches.Not only that, but a patch lingering in review, no matter how trivial, will eventually accrue rebases which sap gate resources, developer time, and will to live. It occurs to me that there are a significant class of patches which simply

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Duncan Thomas
A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial review issues on core reviewers is for none-core reviewers to get in there first, spot the problems and add a -1 - the trivial issues are then hopefully fixed up before a core reviewer even looks at the patch. The fundamental problem with

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04:17AM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: We all know that review can be a bottleneck for Nova patches.Not only that, but a patch lingering in review, no matter how trivial, will eventually accrue rebases which sap gate resources, developer time, and will to live. It

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/17/2014 07:23 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04:17AM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: We all know that review can be a bottleneck for Nova patches.Not only that, but a patch lingering in review, no matter how trivial, will eventually accrue rebases which sap gate

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Gary Kotton
On 6/17/14, 1:56 PM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial review issues on core reviewers is for none-core reviewers to get in there first, spot the problems and add a -1 - the trivial issues are then hopefully fixed up before a

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Matthew Booth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/06/14 12:36, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/17/2014 07:23 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:04:17AM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: We all know that review can be a bottleneck for Nova patches.Not only that, but a patch lingering

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/06/14 12:36, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/17/2014 07:23 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: If would be nice if gerrit had simple keyword tagging so any reviewer can tag an existing

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Russell Bryant
On 06/17/2014 08:20 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 01:12:45PM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/06/14 12:36, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/17/2014 07:23 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: If would be nice if gerrit had simple keyword

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Armando M.
I wonder what the turnaround of trivial patches actually is, I bet you it's very very small, and as Daniel said, the human burden is rather minimal (I would be more concerned about slowing them down in the gate, but I digress). I think that introducing a two-tier level for patch approval can only

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread John Griffith
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Armando M. arma...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the turnaround of trivial patches actually is, I bet you it's very very small, and as Daniel said, the human burden is rather minimal (I would be more concerned about slowing them down in the gate, but I

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Ben Nemec
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/17/2014 09:52 AM, John Griffith wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Armando M. arma...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the turnaround of trivial patches actually is, I bet you it's very very small, and as Daniel said, the human burden

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial review issues on core reviewers is for none-core reviewers to get in there first, spot the problems and add a -1 - the trivial issues are then hopefully fixed

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] A modest proposal to reduce reviewer load

2014-06-17 Thread Russell Bryant
On 06/17/2014 12:22 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: A far more effective way to reduce the load of trivial review issues on core reviewers is for none-core reviewers to get in