Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack moving both too fast and too slow at the same time

2017-05-04 Thread Jay Pipes
On 05/04/2017 10:57 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Drew Fisher's message of 2017-05-03 14:00:53 -0600: These come up time and time again How is the TC working with the dev teams to address these critical issues? I asked this because on page 18 is this comment: "Most large customers

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack moving both too fast and too slow at the same time

2017-05-04 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Drew Fisher's message of 2017-05-03 14:00:53 -0600: > This email is meant to be the ML discussion of a question I brought up > during the TC meeting on April 25th.; [1] Thanks for starting this thread, Drew. I'll try to respond, but I know a lot of folks are preparing for the summit

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack moving both too fast and too slow at the same time

2017-05-04 Thread Matthew Thode
On 05/03/2017 09:30 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: > On 05/03/2017 02:00 PM, Drew Fisher wrote: >> I asked this because on page 18 is this comment: >> >> "Most large customers move slowly and thus are running older versions, >> which are EOL upstream sometimes before they even deploy them." >> >> This

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack moving both too fast and too slow at the same time

2017-05-03 Thread Chris Friesen
On 05/03/2017 02:00 PM, Drew Fisher wrote: Reading the user survey [2], I see the same issues time and time again. Pages 18-19 of the survey are especially common points. Things move too fast, no LTS release, upgrades are terrifying for anything that isn't N-1 -> N. These come up time and time

[openstack-dev] OpenStack moving both too fast and too slow at the same time

2017-05-03 Thread Drew Fisher
This email is meant to be the ML discussion of a question I brought up during the TC meeting on April 25th.; [1] The TL;DR version is: Reading the user survey [2], I see the same issues time and time again. Pages 18-19 of the survey are especially common points. Things move too fast, no LTS