Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

> -Original Message- > From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] > Sent: November 30, 2015 20:32 > On 11/30/15 at 07:32am, Sean Dague wrote: > >On 11/24/2015 10:09 AM, John Garbutt wrote: > >> On 24 November 2015 at 15:00, Balázs Gibizer > >> wrote: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/30/15 at 07:32am, Sean Dague wrote: On 11/24/2015 10:09 AM, John Garbutt wrote: On 24 November 2015 at 15:00, Balázs Gibizer wrote: From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] Sent: November 24, 2015 15:35 On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/24/2015 10:09 AM, John Garbutt wrote: > On 24 November 2015 at 15:00, Balázs Gibizer > wrote: >>> From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] >>> Sent: November 24, 2015 15:35 >>> On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer wrote: > From: Ryan Rossiter

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/24/2015 8:35 AM, Andrew Laski wrote: On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer wrote: I think see your point, and it seems like a good way forward. Let's turn the black list to a white list. Now I'm thinking about creating a new Field type something like WhiteListedObjectField which

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/24/15 at 11:19am, Ryan Rossiter wrote: On 11/24/2015 8:35 AM, Andrew Laski wrote: On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer wrote: I think see your point, and it seems like a good way forward. Let's turn the black list to a white list. Now I'm thinking about creating a new Field

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

> From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] > Sent: November 24, 2015 16:09 > On 24 November 2015 at 15:00, Balázs Gibizer > wrote: > >> From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] > >> Sent: November 24, 2015 15:35 > >> On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

> From: Ryan Rossiter [mailto:rlros...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] > Sent: November 23, 2015 22:33 > On 11/23/2015 2:23 PM, Andrew Laski wrote: > > On 11/23/15 at 04:43pm, Balázs Gibizer wrote: > >>> From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] > >>> Sent: November 23, 2015 17:03 > >>> > >>> On 11/23/15

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer wrote: From: Ryan Rossiter [mailto:rlros...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] Sent: November 23, 2015 22:33 On 11/23/2015 2:23 PM, Andrew Laski wrote: > On 11/23/15 at 04:43pm, Balázs Gibizer wrote: >>> From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] >>> Sent: November 23,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

> From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] > Sent: November 24, 2015 15:35 > On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer wrote: > >> From: Ryan Rossiter [mailto:rlros...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] > >> Sent: November 23, 2015 22:33 > >> On 11/23/2015 2:23 PM, Andrew Laski wrote: > >> > On 11/23/15 at

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 24 November 2015 at 15:00, Balázs Gibizer wrote: >> From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] >> Sent: November 24, 2015 15:35 >> On 11/24/15 at 10:26am, Balázs Gibizer wrote: >> >> From: Ryan Rossiter [mailto:rlros...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] >> >> Sent: November

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/23/15 at 04:43pm, Balázs Gibizer wrote: From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] Sent: November 23, 2015 17:03 On 11/23/15 at 08:54am, Ryan Rossiter wrote: > > >On 11/23/2015 5:33 AM, John Garbutt wrote: >>On 20 November 2015 at 09:37, Balázs Gibizer >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

gord chung said on Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 01:32:02PM -0500: > On 20/11/15 11:33 AM, Alexis Lee wrote: > >why would a producer spit out non-useful datapoints? If no-one cares > >or will ever care, it simply shouldn't be included. > > ... right now the > producer is just sending out a grab bag of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 20 November 2015 at 09:37, Balázs Gibizer wrote: >> From: Matt Riedemann [mailto:mrie...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] >> Sent: November 19, 2015 23:29 >> On 11/19/2015 4:05 PM, Ryan Rossiter wrote: >> > Reading through [1] I started getting worries in the back of my head >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 20/11/2015 5:12 PM, Chris Dent wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, gord chung wrote: i think a lot of the complexity we have in versioning is that the projects are too silo'd. i think some of the versioning issues would be irrelevant if the producer knew it's consumers before sending rather

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

given John's reply, i think we should start a new thread? apologies for hijacking log thread. On 23/11/2015 5:01 AM, Alexis Lee wrote: gord chung said on Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 01:32:02PM -0500: On 20/11/15 11:33 AM, Alexis Lee wrote: why would a producer spit out non-useful datapoints? If

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/23/2015 5:33 AM, John Garbutt wrote: On 20 November 2015 at 09:37, Balázs Gibizer wrote: Minor version change shall not cause any problem for the consumer as the payload is backward compatible between minor versions. So if the consumer does not need the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 10:01 +, Alexis Lee wrote: > gord chung said on Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 01:32:02PM -0500: > > On 20/11/15 11:33 AM, Alexis Lee wrote: > > >why would a producer spit out non-useful datapoints? If no-one cares > > >or will ever care, it simply shouldn't be included. > > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

> From: Ryan Rossiter [mailto:rlros...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] > Sent: November 23, 2015 15:54 > On 11/23/2015 5:33 AM, John Garbutt wrote: > > On 20 November 2015 at 09:37, Balázs Gibizer > > wrote: > >> > >> Minor version change shall not cause any problem for the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

> From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] > Sent: November 23, 2015 17:03 > > On 11/23/15 at 08:54am, Ryan Rossiter wrote: > > > > > >On 11/23/2015 5:33 AM, John Garbutt wrote: > >>On 20 November 2015 at 09:37, Balázs Gibizer > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>Minor version

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/23/15 at 08:54am, Ryan Rossiter wrote: On 11/23/2015 5:33 AM, John Garbutt wrote: On 20 November 2015 at 09:37, Balázs Gibizer wrote: Minor version change shall not cause any problem for the consumer as the payload is backward compatible between minor

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/23/2015 2:23 PM, Andrew Laski wrote: On 11/23/15 at 04:43pm, Balázs Gibizer wrote: From: Andrew Laski [mailto:and...@lascii.com] Sent: November 23, 2015 17:03 On 11/23/15 at 08:54am, Ryan Rossiter wrote: > > >On 11/23/2015 5:33 AM, John Garbutt wrote: >>On 20 November 2015 at 09:37,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

> From: Matt Riedemann [mailto:mrie...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] > Sent: November 19, 2015 23:29 > On 11/19/2015 4:05 PM, Ryan Rossiter wrote: > > Reading through [1] I started getting worries in the back of my head > > about versioning these notifications. The main concern being how can > > the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

gord chung said on Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:59:33PM -0500: > just to clarify, the idea doesn't involve tailoring the notification > payload to ceilometer, just that if a producer is producing a > notification it knows contains a useful datapoint, the producer > should tell someone explicitly 'this

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 20/11/15 11:33 AM, Alexis Lee wrote: gord chung said on Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:59:33PM -0500: just to clarify, the idea doesn't involve tailoring the notification payload to ceilometer, just that if a producer is producing a notification it knows contains a useful datapoint, the producer

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, gord chung wrote: i think a lot of the complexity we have in versioning is that the projects are too silo'd. i think some of the versioning issues would be irrelevant if the producer knew it's consumers before sending rather than producers just tossing out a chunk of data

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

ceilometer cares. we listen to all notifications and build Measurement and Event data from (some of) them. to be honest, i don't know if changes in nova notifications have/are broken in ceilometer because quite frankly there are far too many notifications to test and track. as a consumer of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/19/2015 5:52 PM, gord chung wrote: ceilometer cares. we listen to all notifications and build Measurement and Event data from (some of) them. to be honest, i don't know if changes in nova notifications have/are broken in ceilometer because quite frankly there are far too many

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 11/19/2015 4:05 PM, Ryan Rossiter wrote: Reading through [1] I started getting worries in the back of my head about versioning these notifications. The main concern being how can the consumer know about the versions and what's different between them? Because these versioned notification

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Versioned notifications... who cares about the version?

On 19/11/15 08:53 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: On 11/19/2015 5:52 PM, gord chung wrote: ceilometer cares. we listen to all notifications and build Measurement and Event data from (some of) them. to be honest, i don't know if changes in nova notifications have/are broken in ceilometer because