Re: [openstack-dev] [Manila] ./run_tests issue

2014-09-22 Thread Deepak Shetty
Thats incorrect, as i said in my original mail.. I am usign devstack+manila and it wasn't very clear to me that mysql-devel needs to be installed and it didn't get installed. I am on F20, not sure if that causes this , if yes, then we need to debug and fix this. Maybe its a good idea to put a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Manila] ./run_tests issue

2014-09-22 Thread Deepak Shetty
Even better, whenever ./run_tests fail... maybe put a msg stating the following C libs needs to be installed, have the user check the same..something like that would help too. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Deepak Shetty dpkshe...@gmail.com wrote: Thats incorrect, as i said in my original

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit planning

2014-09-22 Thread Tom Fifield
On 18/09/14 16:03, Thierry Carrez wrote: Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: On 17/09/2014 23:12, Anita Kuno wrote: On 09/17/2014 04:01 PM, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: This looks great - but I am afraid that something might be missing. As part of the Design summit in Atlanta there was an Ops Meetup

[openstack-dev] Group-Based Policy Understanding and Queries

2014-09-22 Thread Sachi Gupta
Hi All, Request you all to provide inputs on below understanding: Openstack: Group-based policy is a blueprint for Juno-3 release of Openstack. It will extend OpenStack Networking with policy and connectivity abstractions that enable significantly more simplified and application-oriented

[openstack-dev] [Zaqar] PTL Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
Greetings, I'd like to announce my candidacy for the Message Program PTL position. I've been part of this program since its inception. Along with a really amazing team, I've been working on changing the openstack messaging service reality for the last 2 years. Zaqar has a set of features that I

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/20/2014 10:17 AM, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: Hi all, I'm just trying to understand the messaging strategy in openstack.It seems we have at least 2 messaging layers. Oslo.messaging and zaqar, Can someone explain to me why there are two?To quote from the zaqar faq : -

Re: [openstack-dev] devstack - horizon dashboard issues

2014-09-22 Thread Matthias Runge
On 21/09/14 22:55, Alex Leonhardt wrote: Hi guys, trying to get a devstack up and running, on a VM, but I keep getting this: Error during template rendering In template |/opt/stack/horizon/openstack_dashboard/templates/context_selection/_project_list.html|, error at line *7*

Re: [openstack-dev] Please do *NOT* use vendorized versions of anything (here: glanceclient using requests.packages.urllib3)

2014-09-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 09/21/2014 11:30 PM, Ian Cordasco wrote: Hi Thomas, Several people, many of whom are core contributors to other projects, have asked that this discussion not be continued in this venue. Discussion of the decisions of the core-developers of requests are not appropriate for this list. All

Re: [openstack-dev] devstack - horizon dashboard issues

2014-09-22 Thread Alex Leonhardt
No probs - done that just now. Alex On 22 September 2014 08:20, Matthias Runge mru...@redhat.com wrote: On 21/09/14 22:55, Alex Leonhardt wrote: Hi guys, trying to get a devstack up and running, on a VM, but I keep getting this: Error during template rendering In

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][elections] Not running as PTL this cycle

2014-09-22 Thread Chris Jones
Hi On 22 September 2014 04:26, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: I'm not running as PTL for the TripleO program this cycle. As someone who's been involved in TripleO for a couple of years, I'd like to say thank you very much for your efforts in bootstrapping and PTLing the

[openstack-dev] [Horizon] PTL Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread David Lyle
I would like to announce my candidacy for Horizon PTL. I've been actively contributing to Horizon since the Grizzly cycle and I've been a core contributor since the Havana cycle. For the last two cycles, I have had the pleasure of serving as PTL. Horizon is in the midst of some large transitions

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/22/2014 08:00 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: oslo messaging is highly tight to AMQP semantics whereas Zaqar is not. The API for oslo.messaging is actually quite high level and could easily be mapped to different messaging technologies. There is some terminology that comes from older

[openstack-dev] Reverting recent refactorings of RBD support for config drives

2014-09-22 Thread Michael Still
Hi. Today I encountered bug 1369627 [1] as I trolled the status of release critical bugs, which appears to be fall out from the decision to implement adding support for config drives stored in RBD. While I have no problem with that being at thing we do, I'm concerned by the way it was implemented

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Dickinson wrote: I propose that we can get the benefits of Monty's proposal and implement all of his concrete suggestions (which are fantastic) by slightly adjusting our usage of the program/project concepts. I had originally hoped that the program concept would have been a little

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Some ideas for micro-version implementation

2014-09-22 Thread Kenichi Oomichi
Hi Alex, Thank you for doing this. -Original Message- From: Alex Xu [mailto:x...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Some ideas for micro-version implementation Close to Kilo, it is

[openstack-dev] [nova] libvirt boot parameters

2014-09-22 Thread Angelo Matarazzo
Hi all, I need to add the option rebootTimeout when the instance boots. If you use the*qemu-kvm*, boot parameter/|reboot-timeout|/allows a virtual machine to retry booting if no bootable device is found: /*# qemu-kvm --boot reboot-timeout=1000*/ Ref:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] are we going to remove the novaclient v3 shell or what?

2014-09-22 Thread Kenichi Oomichi
-Original Message- From: Day, Phil [mailto:philip@hp.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:08 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] are we going to remove the novaclient v3 shell or what? DevStack

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/22/2014 11:04 AM, Gordon Sim wrote: On 09/22/2014 08:00 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: oslo messaging is highly tight to AMQP semantics whereas Zaqar is not. The API for oslo.messaging is actually quite high level and could easily be mapped to different messaging technologies. There is

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] libvirt boot parameters

2014-09-22 Thread Chen CH Ji
whether following variables fit for your purpose? guess you want to override the value through boot command? cfg.IntOpt(reboot_timeout, default=0, help=Automatically hard reboot an instance if it has been stuck in a rebooting state longer than N

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] libvirt boot parameters

2014-09-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:32:57AM +0200, Angelo Matarazzo wrote: Hi all, I need to add the option rebootTimeout when the instance boots. If you use the*qemu-kvm*, boot parameter/|reboot-timeout|/allows a virtual machine to retry booting if no bootable device is found: What are the scenarios

Re: [openstack-dev] No one replying on tempest issue?Please share your experience

2014-09-22 Thread Ken'ichi Ohmichi
Hi Nikesh, -Original Message- From: Nikesh Kumar Mahalka [mailto:nikeshmaha...@vedams.com] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:49 PM To: openst...@lists.openstack.org; OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [Openstack] No one replying on tempest

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey On Thu, 2014-09-18 at 11:53 -0700, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Lots of great stuff here, but too much to

[openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, I'd like to get some opinions on the use of pairs of notification messages for simple events. I get that for complex operations on an instance (create, rebuild, etc) a start and end message are useful to help instrument progress and how long the operations took.However we also

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Zhipeng Huang
Great conversations here. I'd like to echo Dean Troyer's comment on Suggestion 9, for multi-cloud span node pooling ,we need standards. It'll make life easier when user tools could be configured against a limit as well as standard set of rules, instead of numerous different rules by vendors. It

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:03:02AM +, Day, Phil wrote: Hi Folks, I'd like to get some opinions on the use of pairs of notification messages for simple events. I get that for complex operations on an instance (create, rebuild, etc) a start and end message are useful to help instrument

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Daniel, -Original Message- From: Daniel P. Berrange [mailto:berra...@redhat.com] Sent: 22 September 2014 12:24 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ? On

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Sandy Walsh
Hey Phil, (sorry for top-post, web client) There's no firm rule for requiring .start/.end and I think your criteria defines it well. Long running transactions (or multi complex-step transactions). The main motivator behind .start/.end code was .error notifications not getting generated in many

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Sandy Walsh
+1, the high-level code should deal with top-level exceptions and generate .error notifications (though it's a little spotty). Ideally we shouldn't need three events for simple operations. The use of .start/.end vs. logging is a bit of a blurry line. At its heart a notification should provide

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] PTL Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread Tristan Cacqueray
confirmed On 22/09/14 04:59 AM, David Lyle wrote: I would like to announce my candidacy for Horizon PTL. I've been actively contributing to Horizon since the Grizzly cycle and I've been a core contributor since the Havana cycle. For the last two cycles, I have had the pleasure of serving as

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] PTL Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread Tristan Cacqueray
confirmed On 22/09/14 02:49 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, I'd like to announce my candidacy for the Message Program PTL position. I've been part of this program since its inception. Along with a really amazing team, I've been working on changing the openstack messaging service

[openstack-dev] [Sahara][Doc] Updating documentation for overview; Needs changing image

2014-09-22 Thread Sharan Kumar M
Hi all, The bug on updating documentation for overview / details https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1350063 also requires the changing of image openstack-interop.png. So is there any specific tool used for creating the image? Since I am working on fixing this bug, I thought I could also

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/22/2014 10:56 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: What I meant is that oslo.messaging is an rpc library and it depends on few very specific message delivery patterns that are somehow tight/based on AMQP semantics. RPC at it's core is the request-response pattern which is directly supported by

Re: [openstack-dev] [Infra][Cinder] Coraid CI system

2014-09-22 Thread Mykola Grygoriev
Dear Infra team, We have set up Coraid CI system to test Coraid Cinder driver. It is located here - http://38.111.159.9:8080/job/CoraidCI/ We have done all requirements for Third Party CI system, provided here - http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requirements Please add voting rights to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Sahara][Doc] Updating documentation for overview; Needs changing image

2014-09-22 Thread Dmitry Mescheryakov
Hello, I used google docs to create the initial image. If you want to edit that one, copy the doc[1] to your drive and edit it. It is not the latest version of the image, but the only difference is that this one has the very first project name EHO in place of Sahara. Thanks, Dmitry [1]

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/22/2014 02:35 PM, Gordon Sim wrote: On 09/22/2014 10:56 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: What I meant is that oslo.messaging is an rpc library and it depends on few very specific message delivery patterns that are somehow tight/based on AMQP semantics. RPC at it's core is the

[openstack-dev] [Neutron][db] End of meetings for neutron-db

2014-09-22 Thread Henry Gessau
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB The work on healing and reorganizing Neutron DB migrations is complete, and so we will no longer hold meetings. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Troy Toman
FWIW, I think this is a great approach to evolving our thinking of the projects and ecosystem around OpenStack. I’m far too removed these days from the details of the day-to-day running of the programs and projects to comment on details. But, I’ve long felt a need to go beyond the simple core +

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][db] End of meetings for neutron-db

2014-09-22 Thread Akihiro Motoki
I updated the corresponding entry in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings . Thanks for the great work of the team (and folks assisting them). I believe this kind of meetings which focus on a specific topic was really useful. Thanks, Akihiro On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Henry Gessau

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-22 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/19/2014 09:13 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: SQS offers very, very limited guarantees, and it's clear that the reason for that is to make it massively, massively scalable in the way that e.g. S3 is scalable while also remaining comparably durable (S3 is supposedly designed for 11 nines, BTW).

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] [neutron] [tc] Neutron Incubator workflow

2014-09-22 Thread Anne Gentle
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Richard Woo richardwoo2...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question about incubator proposal, for CLI and GUI. Do we imply that the incubator feature will need to branch python-neutron client, Horizon, and or Nova ( if changes are needed)? This is as good

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Geoff O'Callaghan
So On 22/09/2014 10:01 PM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 20/09/14 04:17, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: Hi all, I'm just trying to understand the messaging strategy in openstack.It seems we have at least 2 messaging layers. Oslo.messaging and zaqar, Can someone explain to me why

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/22/2014 07:24 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:03:02AM +, Day, Phil wrote: Hi Folks, I'd like to get some opinions on the use of pairs of notification messages for simple events. I get that for complex operations on an instance (create, rebuild, etc) a start

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/22/2014 07:35 AM, Day, Phil wrote: I'm just a tad worried that this sounds like its starting to use notification as a replacement for logging.If we did this for every CRUD operation on an object don't we risk flooding the notification system. Notifications of this sort aren't a

[openstack-dev] [keystone] Stepping down as PTL

2014-09-22 Thread Dolph Mathews
Dearest stackers and [key]stoners, With the PTL candidacies officially open for Kilo, I'm going to take the opportunity to announce that I won't be running again for the position. I thoroughly enjoyed my time as PTL during Havana, Icehouse and Juno. There was a perceived increase in stability

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Some ideas for micro-version implementation

2014-09-22 Thread Anne Gentle
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Kenichi Oomichi oomi...@mxs.nes.nec.co.jp wrote: Hi Alex, Thank you for doing this. -Original Message- From: Alex Xu [mailto:x...@linux.vnet.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Dolph Mathews
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Kevin Benton blak...@gmail.com wrote: So based on those guidelines there would be a problem with the IBM patch because it's storing the tenant name in a backend controller, right? It would need to be regarded as an expiring cache if Neutron chose to go that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/22/2014 07:37 AM, Sandy Walsh wrote: For some operations like resize, migrate, etc., the .start/.end is good for auditing and billing. Although, we could do a better job by simply managing the launched_at, deleted_at times better. I'm sure I'll get no real disagreement from you or

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] 2 weeks in the bug tracker

2014-09-22 Thread Jay S. Bryant
On 09/21/2014 07:37 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: On 9/19/2014 8:13 AM, Sean Dague wrote: I've spent the better part of the last 2 weeks in the Nova bug tracker to try to turn it into something that doesn't cause people to run away screaming. I don't remember exactly where we started at open bug

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Stepping down as PTL

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Pipes
Just want to say thanks for your leadership over the years, Dolph. All the best, -jay On 09/22/2014 10:47 AM, Dolph Mathews wrote: Dearest stackers and [key]stoners, With the PTL candidacies officially open for Kilo, I'm going to take the opportunity to announce that I won't be running again

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Question regarding Stack updates and templates

2014-09-22 Thread Anant Patil
Hi, In convergence, we discuss about having concurrent updates to a stack. I wanted to know if it is safe to assume that the an update will be a super set of it's previous updates. Understanding this is critical to arrive at implementation of concurrent stack operations. Assuming that an admin

[openstack-dev] [all] Deprecating exceptions

2014-09-22 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
Horizon's tests were recently broken by a change in the Ceilometer client that removed a deprecated exception. The exception was deprecated for a while already, but as it often is, nobody did the work of removing all references to it from Horizon before it was too late. Sure, in theory we should

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Convergence: Backing up template instead of stack

2014-09-22 Thread Anant Patil
Hi, One of the steps in the direction of convergence is to enable Heat engine to handle concurrent stack operations. The main convergence spec talks about it. Resource versioning would be needed to handle concurrent stack operations. As of now, while updating a stack, a backup stack is created

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Stepping down as PTL

2014-09-22 Thread Brad Topol
+1000!!! Dolph, you did a fantastic job leading the Keystone project. Many thanks for all of your efforts!!! --Brad Brad Topol, Ph.D. IBM Distinguished Engineer OpenStack (919) 543-0646 Internet: bto...@us.ibm.com Assistant: Kendra Witherspoon (919) 254-0680 From: Jay Pipes

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Lau
Hi Jay, There was actually a discussion about file a blueprint for object notification http://markmail.org/message/ztehzx2wc6dacnk2 But for patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107954/ , I'd like we keep it as it is now to resolve the requirement of server group notifications for 3rd party

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Deprecating exceptions

2014-09-22 Thread Ihar Hrachyshka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 22/09/14 17:07, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: Horizon's tests were recently broken by a change in the Ceilometer client that removed a deprecated exception. The exception was deprecated for a while already, but as it often is, nobody did the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Deprecating exceptions

2014-09-22 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/22/2014 11:24 AM, Ihar Hrachyshka wrote: On 22/09/14 17:07, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: Horizon's tests were recently broken by a change in the Ceilometer client that removed a deprecated exception. The exception was deprecated for a while already, but as it often is, nobody did the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Oslo] Federation and Policy

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Adam Young ayo...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/19/2014 01:43 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:56 AM, David Chadwick d.w.chadw...@kent.ac.uk wrote: On 18/09/2014 22:14, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:34 PM, David Chadwick

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Sandy Walsh
From: Jay Pipes [jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:51 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ? On 09/22/2014 07:37 AM, Sandy Walsh wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/09/14 10:40, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: So On 22/09/2014 10:01 PM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 20/09/14 04:17, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: Hi all, I'm just trying to understand the messaging strategy in openstack.It seems we have at least 2 messaging layers. Oslo.messaging

[openstack-dev] [all] In defence of faking

2014-09-22 Thread Matthew Booth
If you missed the inaugural OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour, it's here: http://youtu.be/jCWtLoSEfmw . I think this is a fantastic idea and big thanks to Sean, Jay and Dan for doing this. I liked the format, the informal style and the content. Unfortunately I missed the live event, but I can confirm

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Deprecating exceptions

2014-09-22 Thread Akihiro Motoki
Regarding ceilometer client, we horizon team at least was not aware of its deprecation. It is not easy thta Horizon team is aware of such changes/warnings in all integrated projects. We might need some liaison from the integrated projects as other projects do. Regarding client backward

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/22/2014 11:42 AM, Sandy Walsh wrote: Totally agree. Though I would go one step further and say the Task state transitions should be managed by notifications. Then oslo.messaging is reduced to the simple notifications interface (no RPC). Notification follow proper retry semantics and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] - do we need .start and .end notifications in all cases ?

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/22/2014 11:22 AM, Jay Lau wrote: Hi Jay, There was actually a discussion about file a blueprint for object notification http://markmail.org/message/ztehzx2wc6dacnk2 But for patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107954/ , I'd like we keep it as it is now to resolve the requirement of

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/22/2014 03:40 PM, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: That being said I'm not sure why a well constructed zaqar with an rpc interface couldn't meet the requirements of oslo.messsaging and much more. What Zaqar is today and what it might become may of course be different things but as it stands

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] In defence of faking

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/22/2014 08:58 AM, Matthew Booth wrote: If you missed the inaugural OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour, it's here: http://youtu.be/jCWtLoSEfmw . I think this is a fantastic idea and big thanks to Sean, Jay and Dan for doing this. I liked the format, the informal style and the content.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Deprecating exceptions

2014-09-22 Thread David Lyle
The larger problem here is that this breaks running Horizon unit tests on all existing installs of Horizon including Havana, Icehouse and Juno if those installations update to the newest python-ceilometerclient. I'm not sure how to handle that type of deprecation other than forcing all existing

[openstack-dev] [all] To slide or not to slide? OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour...

2014-09-22 Thread Jay Pipes
Hi all, OK, so we had our inaugural OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour last Friday. Thanks to Sean and Dan for putting up with my rambling about unittest and mock stuff. And thanks to one of my pugs, Winnie, for, according to Shrews, looking like she was drunk. :) One thing we're doing today is a

[openstack-dev] [Infra][Cinder] Request for voting permissions for Third-party Coraid CI system

2014-09-22 Thread Mykola Grygoriev
Hi, We finished deployment of 3d party CI for Сoraid Сinder driver. Following instructions on http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requesting-a-service-account we are asking to add gerrit CI account (coraid-ci) to the Voting Third-Party CI Gerrit group

[openstack-dev] [QA] PTL Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread Matthew Treinish
I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for another term as PTL of the QA program. The Juno cycle has been very productive with some big developments in the QA program including: being the first cycle to implement branchless Tempest, starting tempest-lib, and consolidating the devstack program

Re: [openstack-dev] [Infra][Cinder] Request for voting permissions for Third-party Coraid CI system

2014-09-22 Thread Anita Kuno
On 09/22/2014 12:31 PM, Mykola Grygoriev wrote: Hi, We finished deployment of 3d party CI for Сoraid Сinder driver. Following instructions on http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#requesting-a-service-account we are asking to add gerrit CI account (coraid-ci) to the Voting Third-Party

Re: [openstack-dev] [QA] PTL Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread Tristan Cacqueray
confirmed On 22/09/14 12:32 PM, Matthew Treinish wrote: I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for another term as PTL of the QA program. The Juno cycle has been very productive with some big developments in the QA program including: being the first cycle to implement branchless Tempest,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Akihiro Motoki
In Keystone, as Dolph says, a tenant name is not globally unique, so IMHO tenant_id needs to be passed to a back-end controller to ensure uniqueness of tenant (or project). tenant_name can be an additional information. For example it can be used in a GUI of a back-end controller, so I think it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-22 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/09/14 10:11, Gordon Sim wrote: On 09/19/2014 09:13 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: SQS offers very, very limited guarantees, and it's clear that the reason for that is to make it massively, massively scalable in the way that e.g. S3 is scalable while also remaining comparably durable (S3 is

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] To slide or not to slide? OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour...

2014-09-22 Thread John Griffith
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, OK, so we had our inaugural OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour last Friday. Thanks to Sean and Dan for putting up with my rambling about unittest and mock stuff. And thanks to one of my pugs, Winnie, for, according to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] To slide or not to slide? OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour...

2014-09-22 Thread David Shrewsbury
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 1:07 PM, John Griffith john.griffi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, OK, so we had our inaugural OpenStack Bootstrapping Hour last Friday. Thanks to Sean and Dan for putting up with my rambling about

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][db] End of meetings for neutron-db

2014-09-22 Thread Mark McClain
On Sep 22, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Henry Gessau ges...@cisco.com wrote: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB The work on healing and reorganizing Neutron DB migrations is complete, and so we will no longer hold meetings. Great work by all who worked on this. mark

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/21/2014 10:57 PM, Nader Lahouti wrote: Thanks Kevin for bring it up in the ML, I was looking for a guideline or any document to clarify issues on this subject. I was told, even using keystone API in neutron is not permitted. I recognize that I'm potentially without context for neutron

[openstack-dev] [Glance] PTL Non-Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread Mark Washenberger
Greetings, I will not be running for PTL for Glance for the Kilo release. I want to thank all of the nice folks I've worked with--especially the attendees and sponsors of the mid-cycle meetups, which I think were a major success and one of the highlights of the project for me. Cheers, markwash

[openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
My team just ran into an issue where neutron was not passing unit tests when run under Python 2.6. We tracked this down to a test support function using collections.OrderedDict. This was in locally forked code, but when I compared it to upstream code, I found that the code in upstream neutron is

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Armando M.
What about: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/test-requirements.txt#L12 On 22 September 2014 10:23, Kevin L. Mitchell kevin.mitch...@rackspace.com wrote: My team just ran into an issue where neutron was not passing unit tests when run under Python 2.6. We tracked this down to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Mohammad Banikazemi
In the patch being referred to here and in the IBM controller, the project ID is the unique identifier used. The name is simply an additional piece of information that may perhaps be used for debugging. The back-end (controller) keeps a name not as a unique identifier but in addition to the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Mohammad Banikazemi
Akihiro Motoki amot...@gmail.com wrote on 09/22/2014 12:50:43 PM: From: Akihiro Motoki amot...@gmail.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 09/22/2014 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Geoff, do you expect all of our users to write all of their messaging code in Python? oslo.messaging is a _python_ library. Zaqar is a service with a REST API -- accessible to any application. As Zane's sarcastic reply implied, these are as related as sharks are to tornados. Could they be

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 10:32 -0700, Armando M. wrote: What about: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/test-requirements.txt#L12 Pulling in ordereddict doesn't do anything if your code doesn't use it when OrderedDict isn't in collections, which is the case here. Further, there's

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Stepping down as PTL

2014-09-22 Thread Nathanael Burton
Thanks Dolph! On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Dolph Mathews dolph.math...@gmail.com wrote: Dearest stackers and [key]stoners, With the PTL candidacies officially open for Kilo, I'm going to take the opportunity to announce that I won't be running again for the position. I thoroughly

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/22/2014 10:58 AM, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 10:32 -0700, Armando M. wrote: What about: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/test-requirements.txt#L12 Pulling in ordereddict doesn't do anything if your code doesn't use it when OrderedDict isn't in

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Joshua Harlow
Just as an update to what exactly is RHEL python 2.6... This is the expanded source rpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8405074/ The main one here appears to be: - python-2.6.6-ordereddict-backport.patch Full changelog @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/8405082/ Overall I'd personally like to get rid of

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Stepping down as PTL

2014-09-22 Thread Raildo Mascena
Thanks a lot Dolph! 2014-09-22 14:58 GMT-03:00 Nathanael Burton nathanael.i.bur...@gmail.com: Thanks Dolph! On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Dolph Mathews dolph.math...@gmail.com wrote: Dearest stackers and [key]stoners, With the PTL candidacies officially open for Kilo, I'm going to

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Solly Ross
I'm in favor of killing Python 2.6 with fire. Honestly, I think it's hurting code readability and productivity -- You have to constantly think about whether or not some feature that the rest of the universe is already using is supported in Python 2.6 whenever you write code. As for readability,

[openstack-dev] [Infra] Meeting Tuesday September 23rd at 19:00 UTC

2014-09-22 Thread Elizabeth K. Joseph
Hi everyone, The OpenStack Infrastructure (Infra) team is hosting our weekly meeting on Tuesday September 23rd, at 19:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting Meeting agenda available here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting (anyone is welcome to to add agenda items) Everyone

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Armando M.
I suspect that the very reason underlying the existence of this thread is that some users out there are not quite ready to pull the plug on Python 2.6. Any decision about stopping the support of Python 2.6 should not be taken solely on making the developer's life easier, but maybe I am stating

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 09/19/2014 03:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit.

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Hey Monty, As

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-22 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Enjoy. I’ve read through

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] [infra] Python 2.6 tests can't possibly be passing in neutron

2014-09-22 Thread Sean Dague
My general understanding is 2.6 support is deprecated for Juno, and fair to be removed in Kilo. So the killing it with fire should be able to happen soon. -Sean On 09/22/2014 02:52 PM, Armando M. wrote: I suspect that the very reason underlying the existence of this thread is that

Re: [openstack-dev] [requirements] [nova] requirements freeze exception for websockify

2014-09-22 Thread Solly Ross
The reason it was bounded was because we (the websockify upstream mantainers) made a backwards-incompatible change (for good reasons -- it brought websockify more inline with the Python standard library interfaces). However, OpenStack had subclassed the WebSocketProxy code, and so the change

Re: [openstack-dev] usability anti-pattern

2014-09-22 Thread Solly Ross
Monty, your messages are always super-entertaining to read. They also generally have very good points, which is an added bonus :-P - Original Message - From: Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] - what integration with Keystone is allowed?

2014-09-22 Thread Kevin Benton
Right, I understand that. However, the point is that the tenant name is being stored outside of Keystone and it doesn't ever appear to be updated. I had proposed a spec to cache the tenant names for the Big Switch code and it was declined because of the duplication of information. On Sep 22, 2014

[openstack-dev] [Infra] PTL Candidacy

2014-09-22 Thread James E. Blair
I would like to announce my candidacy for the Infrastructure PTL. I have developed and operated the project infrastructure for several years and have been honored to serve as the PTL for the Juno cycle. I was instrumental not only in creating the project gating system and development process,

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Stepping down as PTL

2014-09-22 Thread Morgan Fainberg
-Original Message- From: Dolph Mathews dolph.math...@gmail.com Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: September 22, 2014 at 07:50:42 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: 

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