Re: [openstack-dev] addCleanup vs. tearDown

2013-10-08 Thread Nachi Ueno
+1 2013/10/8 Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com: Hey! Got a question on IRC which seemed fair game for a quick mailing list post: Q: I see both addCleanup and tearDown in nova's test suite - which one should I use for new code? A: addCleanup All new code should 100% of the time use

Re: [openstack-dev] Blueprint for IPAM and Policy extensions in Neutron

2013-10-08 Thread Nachi Ueno
Hi Rudra Thanks! Some questions and comments - name and fq_name How we use name and fq_name ? IMO, we should prevent to use shorten name. - src_ports: [80-80], For API consistency, we should use similar way of the security groups

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] BUG? nova-compute should delete unused instance files on boot

2013-10-08 Thread Joshua Harlow
Sure, basically a way around this is to do migration of the VM's on the host u are doing maintenance on. That¹s one way y! has its ops folks work around this. Another solution is just don't do local_deletes :-P It sounds like your 'zombie' state would be useful as a way to solve this also. To

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] BUG? nova-compute should delete unused instance files on boot

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Wilson
+1 to what Chris suggested. Zombie state that doesn't affect quota, but doesn't create more problems by trying to reuse resources that aren't available. That way we can tell the customer that things are deleted, but we don't need to break our cloud by screwing up future schedule requests. -Mike

Re: [openstack-dev] Blueprint for IPAM and Policy extensions in Neutron

2013-10-08 Thread Rudra Rugge
Hi Nachi, Please see inline: On Oct 8, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Nachi Ueno na...@ntti3.com wrote: Hi Rudra Thanks! Some questions and comments - name and fq_name How we use name and fq_name ? IMO, we should prevent to use shorten name. [Rudra] 'name' meets all the current Neutron

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Jiří Stránský
Clint and Monty, thank you for such good responses. I am new in TripleO team indeed and I was mostly concerned by the line in the sand. Your responses shed some more light on the issue for me and i hope we'll be heading the right way :) Thanks Jiri

[openstack-dev] [neutron] Blueprint for Policy and IPAM extensions in Neutron

2013-10-08 Thread Rudra Rugge
Hi All, Based on initial feedback from Nachi and others I have split the blueprints. Please review the policy and ipam blueprints. Policy Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/policy-extensions-for-neutron Spec:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] BUG? nova-compute should delete unused instance files on boot

2013-10-08 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/08/2013 02:19 PM, Mike Wilson wrote: +1 to what Chris suggested. Zombie state that doesn't affect quota, but doesn't create more problems by trying to reuse resources that aren't available. That way we can tell the customer that things are deleted, but we don't need to break our cloud by

[openstack-dev] TC Candidacy

2013-10-08 Thread Justin Shepherd
I'd like to announce my candidacy for the TC. About Me I have been involved with OpenStack since the Bexar development cycle, and have contributed to most of the programs along the way. I have also been in attendance at every summit since the Cactus summit. My focus in OpenStack has

Re: [openstack-dev] TC Candidacy

2013-10-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
Confirmed. Justin Shepherd wrote: I'd like to announce my candidacy for the TC. About Me I have been involved with OpenStack since the Bexar development cycle, and have contributed to most of the programs along the way. I have also been in attendance at every summit since the

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] Meeting Tuesday October 8th at 19:00 UTC

2013-10-08 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph l...@princessleia.com wrote: The OpenStack Infrastructure (Infra) team is hosting our weekly meeting tomorrow, Tuesday October 8th, at 19:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting Minutes:

[openstack-dev] Keystone OS-EP-FILTER descrepancy

2013-10-08 Thread Miller, Mark M (EB SW Cloud - RD - Corvallis)
Hello, I am attempting to test the Havana v3 OS-EP-FILTER extension with the latest RC1 bits and I get a 404 error response. The documentation actually shows 2 different URIs for this API: - GET /OS-EP-FILTER/projects/{project_id}/endpoints and

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone OS-EP-FILTER descrepancy

2013-10-08 Thread Miller, Mark M (EB SW Cloud - RD - Corvallis)
Here is the response from Fabio: Mark, Please have a look at the configuration.rst in the contrib/endpoint-filter folder. I pasted here for your convenience: == Enabling Endpoint Filter Extension ==To enable the endpoint filter

[openstack-dev] [Glance] Team Meeting reminder

2013-10-08 Thread Mark Washenberger
Hi Glance folks, We will have a team meeting this Thursday October 10th at 14:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt. All are welcome to attend. For time information in your timezone, see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20131010T14ah=1 The agenda can be found at

[openstack-dev] [Convection] Murano and Convection proposal discussion

2013-10-08 Thread Timur Sufiev
Hello! I am an engineer from Murano team. Murano is an OpenStack project built around Windows components deployment. Currently we (Murano team) are working on improving Murano architecture to fit better in OpenStack ecosystem and reuse more functionality from the other projects. As part of that

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone OS-EP-FILTER descrepancy

2013-10-08 Thread Miller, Mark M (EB SW Cloud - RD - Corvallis)
Slightly adjusted instructions after testing: To enable the endpoint filter extension: 1. Add the new [endpoin_ filter] section ton ``keystone.conf``. example: [endpoint_filter] # extension for creating associations between project and endpoints in order to # provide a tailored catalog for

[openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-08 Thread Stan Lagun
Hello, I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to continue this discussion with more technical details. In our project we do deployment of complex multi-instance Windows services. Those services

Re: [openstack-dev] [Convection] Murano and Convection proposal discussion

2013-10-08 Thread Timur Sufiev
Hi! I just forgot to ask about the best way for discussion: what will it be? We have an IRC channel #murano at FreeNode, so you can find someone from our team here. The best way probably will be a Google hangout or Webex meeting for a live discussion and document sharing. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] automatically evacuate instances on compute failure

2013-10-08 Thread Syed Armani
Hi Folks, I am also very much curious about this. Earlier this bp had a dependency on query scheduler, which is now merged. It will be very helpful if anyone can throw some light on the fate of this bp. Thanks. Cheers, Syed Armani On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:46 PM, Chris Friesen

Re: [openstack-dev] [Convection] Murano and Convection proposal discussion

2013-10-08 Thread Joshua Harlow
I'd like to counter-propose :) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow Taskflow is a lower level library that also has an engine, but not only does it have the underlying engine, it also has key fundamental components such as state persistence, resumption, reverting. The workflow definition

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] automatically evacuate instances on compute failure

2013-10-08 Thread Alex Glikson
Seems that this can be broken into 3 incremental pieces. First, would be great if the ability to schedule a single 'evacuate' would be finally merged ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/find-host-and-evacuate-instance ). Then, it would make sense to have the logic that evacuates an

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-08 Thread Angus Salkeld
On 09/10/13 00:53 +0400, Stan Lagun wrote: Hello, I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to continue this discussion with more technical details. I hope you are going to be at summit, as I

[openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-08 Thread Regnier, Greg J
Hi, Re: blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adv-services-in-vms Before going into more detail on the mechanics, would like to nail down use cases. Based on input and feedback, here is what I see so far. Assumptions: - a 'Service VM' hosts one or more 'Service

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Robert Collins
On 9 October 2013 07:24, Jiří Stránský ji...@redhat.com wrote: Clint and Monty, thank you for such good responses. I am new in TripleO team indeed and I was mostly concerned by the line in the sand. Your responses shed some more light on the issue for me and i hope we'll be heading the right

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] automatically evacuate instances on compute failure

2013-10-08 Thread Mahesh K P
I was working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/find-host-and-evacuate-instance. Hadn't looked at it because of FF, will restore the patch soon. Thanks Mahesh Developer | ThoughtWorks | +1 (210) 716 1767 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alex Glikson glik...@il.ibm.com wrote: Seems

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-08 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi Angus, We will have representatives from our Team . Alex Tivelkov and I will be on summit. We definitely will participate in design sessions for these hot topics. Before the summit we will work in etherpads to add necessary technical information to have a solid background for discussions. We

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] automatically evacuate instances on compute failure

2013-10-08 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/08/2013 03:20 PM, Alex Glikson wrote: Seems that this can be broken into 3 incremental pieces. First, would be great if the ability to schedule a single 'evacuate' would be finally merged (_https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/find-host-and-evacuate-instance_). Agreed. Then, it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-08 Thread Rudra Rugge
Hi Greg, Is there any discussion so far on the scaling of VMs as in launching multiple VMs for the same service. It would also have impact on the VIF scheme. How can we plug these services into different networks - is that still being worked on? Thanks, Rudra On Oct 8, 2013, at 2:48 PM,

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone OS-EP-FILTER descrepancy

2013-10-08 Thread Miller, Mark M (EB SW Cloud - RD - Corvallis)
Sorry to send this out again, but I wrote too soon. I was missing one driver entry in keystone.conf. Here are my working settings: File keystone.conf: [catalog] # dynamic, sql-based backend (supports API/CLI-based management commands) #driver = keystone.catalog.backends.sql.Catalog driver =

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-08 Thread Harshad Nakil
Hello Greg, Blueprint you have put together is very much in line what we have done in openContrail virtual services implementation. One thing that we have done is Service instance is a single type of service provided by virtual appliance. e.g. firewall or load-balancer etc Service instance

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-08 Thread Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)
Hi Sylvain, Thanks for your comments. I can see that Climate is aiming to provide a reservation service for physical and now virtual resources also like you mention. The Instance-group [a][b] effort (proposed during the last summit, and good progress has been made so far) attempts to

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-08 Thread Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi)
Mike, Sylvain, I think some of Mike's questions were answered during today's scheduler team meeting. Mike: Thanks. I have a few questions. First, I am a bit stymied by the style of API documentation used in that document and many others: it shows the first line of an HTTP request but

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-08 13:53:45 -0700: Hello, I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to continue this discussion with more technical details. In our project we do

[openstack-dev] what is the code organization of nova

2013-10-08 Thread Aparna Datt
hi i was going through code of nova on github...but there are no readme files available regarding code organization of nova. Can anyone provide me with a link from where i can begin reading the code ? or if anyone can help me by indicators on from which files / folders the nova begins its

[openstack-dev] [Neutron] Common requirements for services' discussion

2013-10-08 Thread Sumit Naiksatam
Hi All, We had a VPNaaS meeting yesterday and it was felt that we should have a separate meeting to discuss the topics common to all services. So, in preparation for the Icehouse summit, I am proposing an IRC meeting on Oct 14th 22:00 UTC (immediately after the Neutron meeting) to discuss common

Re: [openstack-dev] Reminder: Project release status meeting - 21:00 UTC

2013-10-08 Thread Gareth
it seems that we didn't log this channel in here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2013/ On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: Today in the project/release status meeting, we are 9 days before release ! We'll look in particular

[openstack-dev] Configuring default page-size on image-list call in nova

2013-10-08 Thread Sumanth Suresh Nagadavalli
Hi All, Recently we had a bug where page-size parameter was not passed in from nova while making a call to glance for image list. This was addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43262/. As a result, I also thought that it might make sense to have a default page size configurable for image

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] Questions and comments

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Yes, that helps. Please, guys, do not interpret my questions as hostility, I really am just trying to understand. I think there is some overlap between your concerns and mine, and I hope we can work together. Sticking to the physical reservations for the moment, let me ask for a little more

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] OVS Agent and VxLan UDP Ports

2013-10-08 Thread P Balaji-B37839
Any comments on the below from community using OVS will be helpful. Regards, Balaji.P -Original Message- From: P Balaji-B37839 Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:31 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List; Addepalli Srini-B22160 Subject: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] OVS Agent and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] Questions and comments

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Sylvain: please do not interpret my questions as hostility. I am only trying to understand your proposal, but I am still confused. Can you please walk through a scenario involving Climate reservations on virtual resources? I mean from start to finish, outlining which party makes which

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] automatically evacuate instances on compute failure

2013-10-08 Thread Tim Bell
I have proposed the summit design session for Hong Kong (http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/103) to discuss exactly these sort of points. We have the low level Nova commands but need a service to automate the process. I see two scenarios - A hardware intervention needs to be scheduled,

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Thanks for the clue about where the request/response bodies are documented. Is there any convenient way to view built documentation for Havana right now? You speak repeatedly of the desire for clean interfaces, and nobody could disagree with such words. I characterize my desire that way too.

[openstack-dev] behaviour about boot-from-volume (possible bug)

2013-10-08 Thread Ji2-3
Hi everyone. I am playing Openstack with lates code version. I want to know your ideas about below case. Now, when I boot VM from volume with down of cinder-api, openstack returns 400. It seems incompatibility in this case. When HTTPClient exception ocuured, it should return 500Internal server

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
Hi, like most OpenStack projects we need to keep the core team up to date: folk who are not regularly reviewing will lose context over time, and new folk who have been reviewing regularly should be trusted with -core responsibilities. Please see Russell's excellent stats:

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-08 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Hi Yathi, Le 08/10/2013 05:10, Yathiraj Udupi (yudupi) a écrit : Hi, Based on the discussions we have had in the past few scheduler sub-team meetings, I am sharing a document that proposes an updated Instance Group Model and API extension model. This is a work-in-progress draft version, but

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Tomas Sedovic
Just an fyi, tomas-8c8 on the reviewers list is yours truly. That's the name I got assigned when I registered to Gerrit and apparently, it can't be changed. Thanks for the heads-up, will be doing more reviews. T. On 07/10/13 21:03, Robert Collins wrote: Hi, like most OpenStack projects we

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Robert Collins
Thanks, will submit a patch to reviewerstats updating it for you. -Rob On 8 October 2013 21:14, Tomas Sedovic tsedo...@redhat.com wrote: Just an fyi, tomas-8c8 on the reviewers list is yours truly. That's the name I got assigned when I registered to Gerrit and apparently, it can't be changed.

[openstack-dev] [Neutron] OVS Agent and VxLan UDP Ports

2013-10-08 Thread P Balaji-B37839
Hi, Current OVS Agent is creating tunnel with dst_port as the port configured in INI file on Compute Node. If all the compute nodes on VXLAN network are configured for DEFAULT port it is fine. When any of the Compute Nodes are configured for CUSTOM udp port as VXLAN UDP Port, Then how does

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] BUG? nova-compute should delete unused instance files on boot

2013-10-08 Thread Nikola Đipanov
On 08/10/13 01:01, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/07/2013 06:34 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: There is a configuration option stating what to do with instances that are still in the hypervisor but have been deleted from the database. I think you want: running_deleted_instance_action=reap

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Martyn Taylor
On 07/10/13 20:03, Robert Collins wrote: Hi, like most OpenStack projects we need to keep the core team up to date: folk who are not regularly reviewing will lose context over time, and new folk who have been reviewing regularly should be trusted with -core responsibilities. Please see

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Robert Collins
On 8 October 2013 22:44, Martyn Taylor mtay...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/13 20:03, Robert Collins wrote: Whilst I can see that deciding on who is Core is a difficult task, I do feel that creating a competitive environment based on no. reviews will be detrimental to the project. I'm not

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Ladislav Smola
On 10/08/2013 10:27 AM, Robert Collins wrote: Perhaps the best thing to do here is to get tuskar-ui to be part of the horizon program, and utilise it's review team? This is planned. But it wont happen soon. On 8 October 2013 19:31, Tzu-Mainn Chen tzuma...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, like most

[openstack-dev] Reminder: Project release status meeting - 21:00 UTC

2013-10-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
Today in the project/release status meeting, we are 9 days before release ! We'll look in particular into how far away Swift RC1 is, the status of already-opened RC2 windows, and review havana-rc-potential bugs to evaluate the need to open other ones. Feel free to add extra topics to the agenda:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] [Libvirt] Virtio-Serial support for Nova libvirt driver

2013-10-08 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:07:23AM -0700, Ravi Chunduru wrote: Hi Daniel, I will modify the blueprint as per your suggestions. Actually, we can use state_path in nova.conf if set or the default location. This set of config vars: - Enable unix channels - No of Unix Channels - Target

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Ladislav Smola
Hi, seems like not all people agrees on what should be the 'metric' of a core reviewer. Also what justify us to give +1 or +2. Could it be a topic on today's meeting? Ladislav On 10/07/2013 09:03 PM, Robert Collins wrote: Hi, like most OpenStack projects we need to keep the core team up

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Hi Robert, I have few concerns regarding metrics and core-team. To sum up, I think that there needs to be more metrics and core-reviewers for particular project (not one group). More details follow: Measures: * Only number of reviews shouldn't be the only indicator - you can get

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Jiří Stránský
On 8.10.2013 11:44, Martyn Taylor wrote: Whilst I can see that deciding on who is Core is a difficult task, I do feel that creating a competitive environment based on no. reviews will be detrimental to the project. I do feel this is going to result in quantity over quality. Personally, I'd like

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] using keystone client

2013-10-08 Thread Jon Maron
On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Dolph Mathews dolph.math...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jon Maron jma...@hortonworks.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use the keystone client code in savanna/utils/openstack but my attempt to sue it yield: 'Api v2.0 endpoint not found

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] using keystone client

2013-10-08 Thread Dolph Mathews
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Jon Maron jma...@hortonworks.com wrote: On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Dolph Mathews dolph.math...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jon Maron jma...@hortonworks.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use the keystone client code in

[openstack-dev] Scheduling meeting

2013-10-08 Thread Gary Kotton
Hi, Ideas for an agenda: 1. Following last weeks meeting the following document was drawn up: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?usp=sharing 2. Open issues See you at the end of the hour Thanks Gary ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Ben Nemec
On 2013-10-08 05:03, Robert Collins wrote: On 8 October 2013 22:44, Martyn Taylor mtay...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/13 20:03, Robert Collins wrote: Whilst I can see that deciding on who is Core is a difficult task, I do feel that creating a competitive environment based on no. reviews

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Clint Byrum
I don't meant to pick on you personally Jiří, but I have singled this message out because I feel you have captured the objections to Robert's initial email well. Excerpts from Jiří Stránský's message of 2013-10-08 04:30:29 -0700: On 8.10.2013 11:44, Martyn Taylor wrote: Whilst I can see that

[openstack-dev] addCleanup vs. tearDown

2013-10-08 Thread Monty Taylor
Hey! Got a question on IRC which seemed fair game for a quick mailing list post: Q: I see both addCleanup and tearDown in nova's test suite - which one should I use for new code? A: addCleanup All new code should 100% of the time use addCleanup and not tearDown - this is because addCleanups

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/08/2013 11:22 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: I don't meant to pick on you personally Jiří, but I have singled this message out because I feel you have captured the objections to Robert's initial email well. Darn. My pop-up window showed I don't meant to pick on you personally so I rushed to go

[openstack-dev] Hyper-V Meeting Canceled Today

2013-10-08 Thread Peter Pouliot
Hi All, The hyper-v meeting today will be canceled. We will reconnect next week at the usual time. p Peter J. Pouliot, CISSP Senior SDET, OpenStack Microsoft New England Research Development Center One Memorial Drive,Cambridge, MA 02142 ppoul...@microsoft.commailto:ppoul...@microsoft.com |

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ceilometer] Looking for input on optional sample pipelines branch

2013-10-08 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Thomas Maddox thomas.mad...@rackspace.comwrote: On 10/7/13 3:49 PM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@dreamhost.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Thomas Maddox thomas.mad...@rackspace.com wrote: On 10/7/13 1:55 PM, Doug Hellmann