Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-09 Thread Alex Glikson
Good summary. I would also add that in A1 the schedulers (e.g., in Nova and Cinder) could talk to each other to coordinate. Besides defining the policy, and the user-facing APIs, I think we should also outline those cross-component APIs (need to think whether they have to be user-visible, or

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Bob Melander (bmelande)
For use case 2, ability to pin an admin/operator owned VM to a particular tenant can be useful. I.e., the service VMs are owned by the operator but a particular service VM will only allow service instances from a single tenant. Thanks, Bob From: Regnier, Greg J

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-09 Thread Debojyoti Dutta
Mike, I agree we could have a cleaner API but I am not sure how cleanly it will integrate with current nova which IMO should be test we should pass (assuming we do cross services later) On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Mike Spreitzer mspre...@us.ibm.com wrote: Thanks for the clue about where the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Endre Karlson
What about also allowing a specific service to request a port to be created on a requested server for an arbitrary service like a physical machine? I think we should think more in terms of s/VM/Instance where instance can really be either a VM or a Physical host since it really doesn't matter..

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Thomas Spatzier
Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 09.10.2013 03:54 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows Excerpts from Stan Lagun's message of 2013-10-08 13:53:45

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-09 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2013/08/10 23:53, Robert Collins wrote: On 9 October 2013 07:24, Jiří Stránský ji...@redhat.com wrote: Clint and Monty, thank you for such good responses. I am new in TripleO team indeed and I was mostly concerned by the line in the sand. Your responses shed some more light on the issue for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] Questions and comments

2013-10-09 Thread Patrick Petit
On 10/9/13 6:53 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Yes, that helps. Please, guys, do not interpret my questions as hostility, I really am just trying to understand. I think there is some overlap between your concerns and mine, and I hope we can work together. No probs at all. Don't see a sign of

[openstack-dev] [Swift] Havana RC1 (1.10.0-rc1) available

2013-10-09 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hello everyone, The havana release cycle for Swift already saw the releases of the 1.9.0 and 1.9.1 versions. The final coordinated release for the Havana cycle shall include Swift 1.10.0. We now have a Swift release candidate for this: https://launchpad.net/swift/havana/1.10.0-rc1 Unless

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Steven Hardy
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:53:45AM +0400, Stan Lagun wrote: Hello, I’m one of the engineer working on Murano project. Recently we started a discussion about Murano and Heat Software orchestration and I want to continue this discussion with more technical details. Thanks, we're certainly

Re: [openstack-dev] Candidate proposals for TC (Technical Committee) positions are now open

2013-10-09 Thread Thierry Carrez
Anita Kuno wrote: Candidate proposals for the Technical Committee positions (11 positions) are now open and will remain open until 23:59 UTC October 10, 2013. Reminder: You have until tomorrow Thursday, 23:59 UTC to announce your candidacy to the TC. We currently have 17 candidates for 11

Re: [openstack-dev] Reminder: Project release status meeting - 21:00 UTC

2013-10-09 Thread Thierry Carrez
Gareth wrote: it seems that we didn't log this channel in here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2013/ Meetings are logged per-meeting. This one in particular is logged at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/ Cheers, -- Thierry Carrez (ttx)

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] Questions and comments

2013-10-09 Thread Dina Belova
Mike, I'll try to describe the reservation process for the virtual reservations. I'll use Nova project as an example. As I said, this Nova workflow is only the example that may and certainly will be modified for other 'virtual' projects. 1) User goes to Nova via CLI/Dashboard and commits all

[openstack-dev] [Ceilometer] Meeting agenda for Wed Oct 9th at 2100 UTC

2013-10-09 Thread Julien Danjou
The Ceilometer project team holds a meeting in #openstack-meeting, see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda for more details. Next meeting is on Wed Oct 9th at 2100 UTC Please add your name with the agenda item, so we know who to call on during the meeting. * Release

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-09 Thread Petr Blaho
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 02:31:34PM +0200, Jaromir Coufal wrote: Hi Chris, On 2013/08/10 13:13, Chris Jones wrote: Hi On 8 October 2013 11:59, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote:     * Example: It doesn't make sense, that someone who is core-reviewer

[openstack-dev] Today's XenAPI meeting

2013-10-09 Thread Bob Ball
Just a quick note to say that we're skipping the XenAPI meeting this week as a couple of key participants have other commitments. Normal service will resume next week. Bob ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Stan Lagun
Thanks, we're certainly interested in Murano, and are keen to discuss your roadmap, and where requirements and integration opportunities exist Glad to here it. The same is true from Murano side. On sample SQL workflow: that was just an example. I didn't want to bother you with a SQL Server

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-09 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Hi Yathi, Thanks for having taken time explaining your vision. Climate is about reservations, ie. preempting resources capacity and granting a user he will actually get exclusive access to a certain set of resources he asks for a certain period of time. The resource placement decisions are

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] automatically evacuate instances on compute failure

2013-10-09 Thread Tim Bell
There are also times when I know a hypervisor needs to be failed even if Nova has not detected it. Typical examples would be an intervention on a network cable or retirement of a rack. The problem of VM Zombies does need to be addressed too. Not simple to solve. Thus, I feel a shared effort

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Alex Rudenko
Hi everyone, I've read this thread and I'd like to share some thoughts. In my opinion, workflows (which run on VMs) can be integrated with heat templates as follows: 1. workflow definitions should be defined separately and processed by stand-alone workflow engines (chef, puppet etc). 2.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
I favor separation of concerns. I think (4), at least, has got nothing to do with infrastructure orchestration, the primary concern of today's heat engine. I advocate (4), but as separate functionality. Regards, Mike Alex Rudenko alexei.rude...@gmail.com wrote on 10/09/2013 12:59:22 PM:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-10-09 08:37:36 -0700: Hi, In addition I want to add couple words about flexibility and debugging capabilities. I believe it is quite important for HOT template engine to control all aspects of deployment process execution including

Re: [openstack-dev] Change in openstack/nova[master]: Moved headroom calculations into quota_reserve and modified ...

2013-10-09 Thread Ben Nemec
I'm copying openstack-dev for posterity and because smarter people than me hang out there and might be able to answer any questions I can't. :-) There are a couple of other dependencies you will need to install before the test cases will run successfully (I always forget because my development

[openstack-dev] Extraroute and router extensions

2013-10-09 Thread Rudra Rugge
Hi All, Is the extra route extension always tied to the router extension or can it live in a separate route-table container. If extra-route routes are available in separate container then sharing of such containers across networks is possible. Another reason to remove the dependency would be

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Meeting agenda for Wed Oct 9th at 2000 UTC

2013-10-09 Thread Steven Hardy
The Heat team holds a weekly meeting in #openstack-meeting, see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda for more details The next meeting is on Wed Oct 9th at 2000 UTC Current topics for discussion: * Review last week's actions * RC2 bug status *

[openstack-dev] TC candidacy

2013-10-09 Thread Joshua Harlow
Howdy ya'll! ==Who am I== I'd like to also put myself up for the Technical Committee candidate position, via one of the seats that are being made available. I have been active with OpenStack since ~around~ diablo and have helped lead the effort to 'marry' OpenStack and Y! in a way that

[openstack-dev] [neutron] Extraroute and router extensions

2013-10-09 Thread Rudra Rugge
Updated the subject [neutron] Hi All, Is the extra route extension always tied to the router extension or can it live in a separate route-table container. If extra-route routes are available in separate container then sharing of such containers across networks is possible. Another reason to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Lakshminaraya Renganarayana
Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote on 10/09/2013 05:24:38 AM: So as has already been mentioned, Heat defines an internal workflow, based on the declarative model defined in the template. The model should define dependencies, and Heat should convert those dependencies into a workflow

Re: [openstack-dev] Configuring default page-size on image-list call in nova

2013-10-09 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Sumanth Suresh Nagadavalli suma...@thoughtworks.com wrote: Hi All, Recently we had a bug where page-size parameter was not passed in from nova while making a call to glance for image list. This was addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43262/. As a

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Extraroute and router extensions

2013-10-09 Thread Salvatore Orlando
Hi Rudra, Some comments inline. Regards, Salvatore Il 09/ott/2013 19:27 Rudra Rugge rru...@juniper.net ha scritto: Updated the subject [neutron] Hi All, Is the extra route extension always tied to the router extension or can it live in a separate route-table container. If extra-route

[openstack-dev] [savanna] team meeting / design talks discussion October 10 1800 UTC

2013-10-09 Thread Sergey Lukjanov
Hi folks, We'll be having the Savanna team meeting as usual in #openstack-meeting-alt channel. *I would like to see all Savanna contributors to discuss talks for Design Summit at this meeting.* Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda#Agenda_for_October.2C_3

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi Lakshminaraya, Thank you for bringing your use case and your thought here. That is exactly tried to achieve in Murano project. There are important aspects you highlighted. Sometime resource model is two high level to describe deployment process. If you start to use more granular approach to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Common requirements for services' discussion

2013-10-09 Thread Edgar Magana
Hello all, Is anyone working on NATaaS? I know we have some developer working on Router as a Service and they probably want to include NAT functionality but I have some interest in having NAT as a Service. Please, response is somebody is interested in having some discussions about it. Thanks,

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] team meeting / design talks discussion October 10 1800 UTC

2013-10-09 Thread Sergey Lukjanov
Correct links Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda#Agenda_for_October.2C_10 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Savanna+Meetingiso=20131010T18 Sincerely yours, Sergey Lukjanov Savanna Technical Lead Mirantis Inc. On Oct 9, 2013, at 23:32, Sergey

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Joshua Harlow
Your example sounds a lot like what taskflow is build for doing. https://github.com/stackforge/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/examples/calculate_in_parallel.py is a decent example. In that one, tasks are created and input/output dependencies are specified (provides, rebind, and the execute

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Stan Lagun
It seems to me that something is missing in our discussion. If something depends on something else there must be a definition of that something. It is clear that it is not the case that one instance depends on another but one application depends on another application. But there is no such thing

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone OS-EP-FILTER descrepancy

2013-10-09 Thread Dolph Mathews
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Miller, Mark M (EB SW Cloud - RD - Corvallis) mark.m.mil...@hp.com wrote: Hello, I am attempting to test the Havana v3 OS-EP-FILTER extension with the latest RC1 bits and I get a 404 error response. The documentation actually shows 2 different URIs for this

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Sumit Naiksatam
Hi Rudra, We tried to separate policy from mechanism for this blueprint, and are trying to address the latter. I believe the logic for scaling, and or clustering multiple service VMs to map to a logical service instance would lie in the service plugin which realizes the logical service instance.

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone OS-EP-FILTER descrepancy

2013-10-09 Thread Miller, Mark M (EB SW Cloud - RD - Corvallis)
Adam, Thank you for the reply. The extension document is pretty good. The configuration instructions on the other hand need some help and I had to combine information from multiple sources to get OS-EP-FILTERing up and running. Following are the final steps that I used. Mark ---

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Sumit Naiksatam
Hi Harshad, I agree with you that the service instance terminology might be a little confusing here. The way it was phrased in the original email, I believe it was meant to suggest an association with the corresponding Neutron logical service (the XaaS to be precise). That said (and to your

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Sumit Naiksatam
Thanks Bob, I agree this is an important aspect of the implementation. However, apart from being able to specify which network(s) the VM has interfaces on, what more needs to be done specifically in the proposed library to achieve the tenant level isolation? Thanks, ~Sumit. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Caitlin Bestler
On 10/9/2013 12:55 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: Your example sounds a lot like what taskflow is build for doing. I'm not that familiar with Heat, so I wanted to bounce this off of you before doing a public foot-in-mouth on the mailing list. Is the real issue here the difference between

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Rudra Rugge
Hi Sumit, I also got confused with service VM and service instance definition. I assumed both being the same and hence the networks question. Rudra On Oct 9, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Sumit Naiksatam sumitnaiksa...@gmail.commailto:sumitnaiksa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rudra, We tried to separate

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Rudra Rugge
Hi Sumit, Please see inline. On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Sumit Naiksatam sumitnaiksa...@gmail.commailto:sumitnaiksa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Harshad, I agree with you that the service instance terminology might be a little confusing here. The way it was phrased in the original email, I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Service VM discussion - Use Cases

2013-10-09 Thread Regnier, Greg J
Hi, The original use cases I called out include multiple service instances within a single VM, but not your use case of a single logical service spread across multiple VMs for scale-out. Have you identified requirements for these VMs that might be specified within the scope of this blueprint?

[openstack-dev] TC candidacy

2013-10-09 Thread Chris Behrens
Hi all, I'd like to announce my candidacy for a seat on the OpenStack Technical Committee. - General background - I have over 15 years of experience designing and building distributed systems. I am currently a Principal Engineer at Rackspace, where I have been for a little over 3 years now.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Lakshminaraya Renganarayana
Georgy Okrokvertskhov gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com wrote on 10/09/2013 03:37:01 PM: From: Georgy Okrokvertskhov gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 10/09/2013 03:41 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Joshua Harlow
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not sure how much of heat has to change to support what you are aiming for. Maybe heat should use taskflow ;) From: Lakshminaraya Renganarayana lren...@us.ibm.commailto:lren...@us.ibm.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:34 PM To: Joshua Harlow

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Lakshminaraya Renganarayana
Stan Lagun sla...@mirantis.com wrote on 10/09/2013 04:07:33 PM: It seems to me that something is missing in our discussion. If something depends on something else there must be a definition of that something. It is clear that it is not the case that one instance depends on another but one

[openstack-dev] Etherpad Upgrade

2013-10-09 Thread Clark Boylan
In an effort to better support the upcoming design summit the Infra team will be upgrading etherpad.openstack.org at 1600UTC Sunday, October 13. There will be a short time period where etherpads are inaccessible as we update DNS records and replicate databases. You might also need to clear your

[openstack-dev] [State-Management] Agenda for tomorrow meeting at 2000 UTC

2013-10-09 Thread Joshua Harlow
Hi all, The [state-management] project team holds a weekly meeting in #openstack-meeting on thursdays, 2000 UTC. The next meeting is tomorrow, 2013-10-10!!! As usual, everyone is welcome :-) Link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement Taskflow:

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone Apache2 Installation Question

2013-10-09 Thread Miller, Mark M (EB SW Cloud - RD - Corvallis)
Hi Kevin, It has been awhile, but here are some notes I took. Regards, Mark Miller - Keystone Apache2 frontend Installation and Configuration Instructions below are based off of documentation/examples from URL

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT Software orchestration proposal for workflows

2013-10-09 Thread Angus Salkeld
On 09/10/13 19:31 +0100, Steven Hardy wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 06:59:22PM +0200, Alex Rudenko wrote: Hi everyone, I've read this thread and I'd like to share some thoughts. In my opinion, workflows (which run on VMs) can be integrated with heat templates as follows: 1. workflow

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone Apache2 Installation Question

2013-10-09 Thread Fox, Kevin M
Thanks for the docs. It looks like I got through all of that already, its the authentication module part that is throwing me. I managed to manually get a token by putting mod_krb5 on Location /keystone/main/v2.0/tokens and using curl against it, giving curl a username/password. If I try and

Re: [openstack-dev] addCleanup vs. tearDown

2013-10-09 Thread Lingxian Kong
+1. Thanks Monty, very good clarification and suggestion! 2013/10/9 Nachi Ueno na...@ntti3.com +1 2013/10/8 Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com: Hey! Got a question on IRC which seemed fair game for a quick mailing list post: Q: I see both addCleanup and tearDown in nova's test

[openstack-dev] TC Candidacy

2013-10-09 Thread Robert Collins
I'm interested in serving on the OpenStack TC. # About me I've been working on OpenStack for only a year now, since joining Monty's merry gang of reprobateswink/ at HP. However I've been entirely focused on networking and distributed systems since ~2000 - having as highlights -core membership in

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Extraroute and router extensions

2013-10-09 Thread Ronak Shah
Hi Rudra, Please see inline: Thanks, Ronak -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:25:15 + From: Rudra Rugge rru...@juniper.net To: OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Extraroute

Re: [openstack-dev] what is the code organization of nova

2013-10-09 Thread Noorul Islam K M
Aparna Datt aparna.cl...@gmail.com writes: hi i was going through code of nova on github...but there are no readme files available regarding code organization of nova. Can anyone provide me with a link from where i can begin reading the code ? or if anyone can help me by indicators on

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Yes, there is more than the northbound API to discuss. Gary started us there in the Scheduler chat on Oct 1, when he broke the issues down like this: 11:12:22 AM garyk: 1. a user facing API 11:12:41 AM garyk: 2. understanding which resources need to be tracked 11:12:48 AM garyk: 3. backend

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] APIs for Smart Resource Placement - Updated Instance Group Model and API extension model - WIP Draft

2013-10-09 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Debojyoti Dutta ddu...@gmail.com wrote on 10/09/2013 02:48:26 AM: Mike, I agree we could have a cleaner API but I am not sure how cleanly it will integrate with current nova which IMO should be test we should pass (assuming we do cross services later) I think the cleaner APIs integrate with