Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] TripleO core reviewer update - november

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-10-30 02:06:38 -0700: Hi, like most OpenStack projects we need to keep the core team up to date: folk who are not regularly reviewing will lose context over time, and new folk who have been reviewing regularly should be trusted with -core

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Joshua Harlow
I looked at it once, but noticed its piggy backing on DNS infrastructure and then wondered who has actually used this in production and didn't find much info (except that it's a cornell project). I never quite did get around to setting it up. Maybe u will have better luck :) Sent from my

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Joshua Harlow
Lock free solutions usually involve very predictable and very well understood (and typically provably correct) state machines. In openstack u have state machines but I think there is work to be done to increase there understandability and predictability. Lock free algorithms are also

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] An early peek into the Solum.io website

2013-10-31 Thread Joshua Harlow
Just wondering, Will said infrastructure be made available to all other openstack projects? It'd be nice to have that for other projects to (a nova blog, a taskflow blog...). It seems/feels a little awkward to me to have solum be a special snowflake here. Sent from my really tiny device...

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Comments on Steve Baker's Proposal on HOT Software Config

2013-10-31 Thread Thomas Spatzier
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 30.10.2013 22:33:31: From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 30.10.2013 22:36 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Comments on Steve Baker's Proposal on HOT Software Config On 30/10/13 20:35, Lakshminaraya

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Separation of concerns for 0.1 git deploy blueprint

2013-10-31 Thread Uri Cohen
Hi Adrian Sounds like there's a need for a true workflow engine here. I suspect that for any use case beyond trivial, each user will have her own flavor of CD (TripleO is a good example for this) - some will prefer to use a canary server and test it manually before deploying to other servers,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Julien Danjou
On Wed, Oct 30 2013, Clint Byrum wrote: In the patch, there are two distributed lock drivers. One uses SQL, and suffers from all the problems you might imagine a SQL based locking system would. It is extremely hard to detect dead lock holders, so we end up with really long timeouts. The other

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Version numbering of TripleO releases

2013-10-31 Thread Chris Jones
Hi On 31 October 2013 05:09, Roman Podoliaka rpodoly...@mirantis.com wrote: 0.MAJOR.MINOR versioning totally makes sense to me until we get to 1.0.0. +1 Your examples are both excellent. Thanks very much for taking the release baton for now :) -- Cheers, Chris

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack] Openstack XCP with OVS Quantum

2013-10-31 Thread Rajshree Thorat
On 10/31/2013 2:53 PM, Rajshree Thorat wrote: Hi All, I have successfully configured Openstack Havana with xen hypervisor(XCP). Initially creating/deleting instances from OpenStack works as expected but networking part(neutron with OpenvSwitch) was not working. The steps I performed to make

[openstack-dev] [Ceilometer] Meeting agenda for Thu Oct 31st at 1500 UTC

2013-10-31 Thread Julien Danjou
The Ceilometer project team holds a meeting in #openstack-meeting, see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda for more details. Next meeting is on Thu Oct 31st at 1500 UTC Please add your name with the agenda item, so we know who to call on during the meeting. * Release

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Object status and admin_state_up

2013-10-31 Thread Samuel Bercovici
Hi, I think that the current implementation is fine. This are two different aspects. The status describes whether the last a-sync activity is active or whether it is not. The admin status describes what the user wishes for the object status to be. Follows an example: If I update the VIP with

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] TripleO core reviewer update - november

2013-10-31 Thread Jiří Stránský
On 30.10.2013 10:06, Robert Collins wrote: Hi, like most OpenStack projects we need to keep the core team up to date: folk who are not regularly reviewing will lose context over time, and new folk who have been reviewing regularly should be trusted with -core responsibilities. In this months

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Version numbering of TripleO releases

2013-10-31 Thread Jiří Stránský
On 31.10.2013 06:09, Roman Podoliaka wrote: Hi all, 0.MAJOR.MINOR versioning totally makes sense to me until we get to 1.0.0. Just a couple of examples of releases we are doing this week: 1) tripleo-image-elements is bumped from 0.0.8 to 0.1.0 (we introduced a kind of incompatible change by

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint review process

2013-10-31 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: I have the feeling we keep going back to communicating expectations to new participants to the community. Are we putting too much emphasis on new commits and too little on new reviews? What do you think if from now on the weekly newsletter would mention the new first

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal for the new service: MagnetoDB, DynamoDB API implementation for OpenStack

2013-10-31 Thread Thierry Carrez
Ilya Sviridov wrote: I would like to propose a new initiative to implement AWS DynamoDB API for OpenStack. [...] There is a parallel effort by Soren to create an equivalent of SimpleDB: http://blog.linux2go.dk/tag/basicdb/ I'm not familiar enough with SimpleDB/DynamoDB, but I wonder if we

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack's OpenPGP Web of Trust

2013-10-31 Thread Thierry Carrez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jeremy Stanley wrote: I'd love for people already using OpenPGP within our community to sign each other's keys as opportunities present themselves, since this activity strengthens and grows a healthy web of trust. A summit is a great

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Object status and admin_state_up

2013-10-31 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
Hi Sam, The question was based on the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1242351 Where it is a real discrepancy: you bring the balancer down (and it's really undeployed) but still remains active. I guess I need to put it to PENDING_CREATE for haproxy, not PENDING_UPDATE since this

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack's OpenPGP Web of Trust

2013-10-31 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: The summit being a bit huge it can be difficult for the PGP-minded to cross paths. We could informally designate one of the Design Summit breaks (Thursday 10:30am ?) as a keysigning break and encourage people

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack's OpenPGP Web of Trust

2013-10-31 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Thu 10:30 AM - Design Summit Lounge - sounds like a great plan! -- dims On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Christopher Yeoh cbky...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: The summit being a bit huge it can be difficult for the PGP-minded

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack's OpenPGP Web of Trust

2013-10-31 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 31/10/13 11:06 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jeremy Stanley wrote: I'd love for people already using OpenPGP within our community to sign each other's keys as opportunities present themselves, since this activity strengthens and grows a healthy

[openstack-dev] [Mistral] Use cases: Cloud Environment Deployment

2013-10-31 Thread Renat Akhmerov
Hi, Another very important Mistral use case is published on the project wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral/Cloud_Environment_Deployment_details For convenience, below is the description of it. Please let us know your thoughts on additional things that should be taken into account.

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack's OpenPGP Web of Trust

2013-10-31 Thread Thierry Carrez
Flavio Percoco wrote: On 31/10/13 11:06 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: The summit being a bit huge it can be difficult for the PGP-minded to cross paths. We could informally designate one of the Design Summit breaks (Thursday 10:30am ?) as a keysigning break and encourage people interested to

[openstack-dev] [nova] changing old migrations is verboten

2013-10-31 Thread Sean Dague
So there is a series of patches starting with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53417/ that go back and radically change existing migration files. This is really a no-no, unless there is a critical bug fix that absolutely requires it. Changing past migrations should be considered with the

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Rosa, Andrea (HP Cloud Services)
Hi all, This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this falls into a few broad camps: A - there is no test suite at all, adding one in unreasonable B - this thing cannot be tested

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal for the new service: MagnetoDB, DynamoDB API implementation for OpenStack

2013-10-31 Thread Ilya Sviridov
Hi Thierry, Yes, you are right. AWS SimpleDB and DynamoDB look alike. I think in API implementation itself there are a lot of common parts. But exactly backend makes the difference. Planning to engage Trove for datasource provisioning and management, the key features of MagnetoDB is autoscaling

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Sean Dague
On 10/30/2013 10:37 PM, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this falls into a few broad camps: A - there is no test suite at all, adding one in

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa] Duplicated test effort development

2013-10-31 Thread Lingxian Kong
a huge +1! thanks, chris, noticed the spreadsheet before, and have add some contents I have been working on. I think more people should know that, avoid conflicting. 2013/10/31 Zhu Bo bo...@linux.vnet.ibm.com hi, Chris thanks for your work. It's a good way. And how about creating a

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 15:37 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this falls into a few broad camps: A - there is no test suite at all, adding

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] An early peek into the Solum.io website

2013-10-31 Thread Adrian Otto
Joshua, Good question. It's a project specific initiative, rather than an OpenStack Foundation effort. One of the interesting aspects of the OpenStack ecosystem is that each OpenStack Related project can work individually on growing its community, which in turn feeds the OpenStack ecosystem.

[openstack-dev] [horizon / keystone] Marker could not be found?

2013-10-31 Thread Sebastian Porombka
Hello Folks. I have a problem after grizzly-havana migration where i’m unable to rescue myself. When I open the Admin - Resource-Usage View i get no results – only a red error box with the message Error: Unable to retrieve tenant list.“. Horizon log: [Thu Oct 31 11:39:44 2013] [error]

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone Concurrency Races in SQL Assignment Backend

2013-10-31 Thread Brant Knudson
Peter - We discussed better use of transactions in irc, but I don't think anyone has had a chance to look at it. This would be a very useful thing to have someone look at. I'm fine with holding off on the oslo.db sessions work until we're sure the code is correct w/r/t multi-processing so that

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-10-31 06:30:32 -0700: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 15:37 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Separation of concerns for 0.1 git deploy blueprint

2013-10-31 Thread Adrian Otto
Uri, Yes. We will need to offer a facility for customizing the CD pipeline(s). We have not contemplated all of the possibilities for that yet, so this is something that we will certainly discuss further. We will need to strike the right balance between options and simplicity. We have thought

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Renat Akhmerov
On 31 окт. 2013 г., at 2:37, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: My point is really that we should not care how serialization happens, we should just express the work-flow, and let the underlying mechanisms distribute and manage it as it is completed. Sounds reasonable. In this context,

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-10-31 06:30:32 -0700: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 15:37 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a

Re: [openstack-dev] Full schedule for HongKong summit?

2013-10-31 Thread Adam Young
On 10/29/2013 06:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Dina Belova wrote: There is no such mixed calendar. It was made, as far as I remember, because design and summit talks are very different and should be separated. But still, it is not really comfortable. Yes, it's a bit of a trade-off... In the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] An early peek into the Solum.io website

2013-10-31 Thread Swapnil Kulkarni
Adrian ++. I too believe its a very good initiative started with #Solum to follow up. Other projects (existing/incubating/future) will definitely have a fruitful benefit following similar approach in the long run, thus benefiting the OpenStack ecosystem :) Best Regards, Swapnil On Thu, Oct

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
Hi all, As a newbie of the community, I'm not familiar with unittest and how to use it here. I've learned that Jenkins runs tests everytime we submit some code. But how to write the test and what is a 'good test' and a 'bad test'? I saw some commits in gerrit but am unable to say if the written

Re: [openstack-dev] Keystone Concurrency Races in SQL Assignment Backend

2013-10-31 Thread Peter Feiner
Okay Brant, sounds good. I'll start working on the SQL code today. Please bear in mind that I'm going to be on vacation next week, so a patch won't be ready until some time after November 11. On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Brant Knudson b...@acm.org wrote: Peter - We discussed better use of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/30/2013 10:42 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: So, recently we've had quite a long thread in gerrit regarding locking in Heat: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49440/ In the patch, there are two distributed lock drivers. One uses SQL, and suffers from all the problems you might imagine a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Sandy Walsh
On 10/30/2013 08:08 PM, Steven Dake wrote: On 10/30/2013 12:20 PM, Sandy Walsh wrote: On 10/30/2013 03:10 PM, Steven Dake wrote: I will -2 any patch that adds zookeeper as a dependency to Heat. Certainly any distributed locking solution should be plugin based and optional. Just as a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Sandy Walsh
On 10/31/2013 11:43 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: Yes. I'm strongly opposed to ZooKeeper finding its way into the already complex pile of things we use. Monty, is that just because the stack is very complicated now, or something personal against ZK (or Java specifically)? Curious. -S

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] changing old migrations is verboten

2013-10-31 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/31/2013 08:01 AM, Sean Dague wrote: So there is a series of patches starting with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53417/ that go back and radically change existing migration files. This is really a no-no, unless there is a critical bug fix that absolutely requires it. Changing past

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Comments on Steve Baker's Proposal on HOT Software Config

2013-10-31 Thread Lakshminaraya Renganarayana
-Mike Spreitzer/Watson/IBM@IBMUS wrote: -To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List \(not for usage questions\)"openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgFrom: Mike Spreitzer/Watson/IBM@IBMUSDate: 10/30/2013 03:56PMSubject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Comments on Steve Baker'sProposal on HOT Software

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Thursday meeting follow-up

2013-10-31 Thread Samuel Bercovici
Hi, I have created two document to discuss SSL termination and L7 Rules at: SSL termination : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qnoJLD1txY5wnjx4k480AtEGCOEtkPMvTzxPo3_DPcs/edit?usp=sharing SSL BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-ssl-termination L7 Rules:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] changing old migrations is verboten

2013-10-31 Thread Sean Dague
On 10/31/2013 11:23 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 10/31/2013 08:01 AM, Sean Dague wrote: So there is a series of patches starting with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53417/ that go back and radically change existing migration files. This is really a no-no, unless there is a critical bug fix that

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] changing old migrations is verboten

2013-10-31 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/31/2013 11:56 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 10/31/2013 11:23 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 10/31/2013 08:01 AM, Sean Dague wrote: So there is a series of patches starting with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53417/ that go back and radically change existing migration files. This is really a

Re: [openstack-dev] [horizon / keystone] Marker could not be found?

2013-10-31 Thread Dolph Mathews
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Sebastian Porombka porom...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Hello Folks. I have a problem after grizzly-havana migration where i’m unable to rescue myself. When I open the Admin - Resource-Usage View i get no results – only a red error box with the message

Re: [openstack-dev] distibuted caching system in front of mysql server for openstack transactions

2013-10-31 Thread Dolph Mathews
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Qing He qing...@radisys.com wrote: In my hard drive-less use case, I need an in-core-db/cache that can be in the same db cluster with real db (with hard drive) with the same sql api so that the current openstack code do not need to be changed, instead, just a

[openstack-dev] Migrating to newer full projects from what used to be part of nova

2013-10-31 Thread Jesse Pretorius
Hi everyone, Migrations from Essex to Grizzly/Havana are starting to hit my radar of responsible tasks and I'm disappointed that beyond this old wiki note [1] and a wealth of questions with very few answers [2], there is very little available to support the migrations from what used to be part of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] changing old migrations is verboten

2013-10-31 Thread Sean Dague
Actually no confusion. :-) Joe Gordon just made me realize that I didn't really explain why we had that policy. That really should have been a follow up to my own post, not yours. Sorry if I made it look like I was arguing with you, which I wasn't.. :-) We're all good. Sean Dague

Re: [openstack-dev] Migrating to newer full projects from what used to be part of nova

2013-10-31 Thread Denis Makogon
Yes, OS as big product tries to split hierarchy of responsibilities. Currently we have serveral tasks, i suppose. First one is upgrading from one stable release to another. Second one is migrating from one release to another. Currently OpenStack has several deployment projects: TripleO, Fuel (---

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack's OpenPGP Web of Trust

2013-10-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-10-31 12:24:49 +0100 (+0100), Thierry Carrez wrote: OK, made it official [...] And: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenPGP_Web_of_Trust/Icehouse_Summit If you add yourself to the table there in the wiki by noon the day before, I'll try to bring a stack of printouts we can use as

Re: [openstack-dev] Migrating to newer full projects from what used to be part of nova

2013-10-31 Thread John Griffith
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Jesse Pretorius jesse.pretor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Migrations from Essex to Grizzly/Havana are starting to hit my radar of responsible tasks and I'm disappointed that beyond this old wiki note [1] Is your disappointment that there isn't a path from

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Separation of concerns for 0.1 git deploy blueprint

2013-10-31 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - - Original Message - Hi Clayton, Thank you for creating these diagrams. They are a great starting point for discussions around the git deploy blueprint. Some questions/comments: In both the diagrams, what do the arrows indicate? Data

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] changing old migrations is verboten

2013-10-31 Thread Johannes Erdfelt
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: So there is a series of patches starting with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53417/ that go back and radically change existing migration files. This is really a no-no, unless there is a critical bug fix that absolutely requires it.

Re: [openstack-dev] distibuted caching system in front of mysql server for openstack transactions

2013-10-31 Thread Qing He
Dolph, Thanks! It is good that python example is provided! Qing From: Dolph Mathews [mailto:dolph.math...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:25 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] distibuted caching system in front of mysql

Re: [openstack-dev] Migrating to newer full projects from what used to be part of nova

2013-10-31 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/31/2013 12:46 PM, John Griffith wrote: Issues at hand, for now, are: 1) Migrating from nova-volume to cinder So to be quite honest we never intended to make skips like you describe. Perhaps that wasn't such a good choice in retrospect. I'm willing to take a look at putting some

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/31/2013 06:04 AM, Rosa, Andrea (HP Cloud Services) wrote: A - there is no test suite at all, adding one in unreasonable B - this thing cannot be tested in this context (e.g. functional tests are defined in a different tree) C - this particular thing is very hard to test D - testing

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Joshua Harlow
I'm pretty sure the cats out of the bag. https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.t xt#L29 https://kazoo.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ -Josh On 10/31/13 7:43 AM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 10:42 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: So, recently

[openstack-dev] [State-Management] Cancel IRC meeting for next 2 weeks

2013-10-31 Thread Joshua Harlow
Hi all, I just wanted to cancel the state-management IRC meeting for the next 2 weeks due to people traveling and the HK summit. Since it won't be as productive as usual I think we can just skip it until after the summit :-) Likely most people will be in #openstack-state-management anyway,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
Sigh. Yay We've added more competing methods of complexity!!! Seriously. We now think that rabbit and zookeeper and mysql are ALL needed? Joshua Harlow harlo...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: I'm pretty sure the cats out of the bag.

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Ben Nemec
On 2013-10-31 09:05, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-10-31 06:30:32 -0700: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 15:37 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Joshua Harlow
In the spirt of openness, yes I do think they are all needed. If they are not supported, then openstack is not open, it is a closed system. We should strive to innovate, not strive to be stuck with the status quo. To me it is a developers decision to pick the right solution, if that solution

[openstack-dev] [heat] [savanna] [trove] Place for software configuration

2013-10-31 Thread Alexander Kuznetsov
Hi Heat, Savanna and Trove teams, All this projects have common part related to software configuration management. For creation, an environment user should specify a hardware parameter for vms: choose flavor, decide use cinder or not, configure networks for virtual machines, choose topology

[openstack-dev] [Savanna] Release 0.3 retrospective

2013-10-31 Thread Alexander Ignatov
Hi, Here is the wiki page with Savanna release 0.3 retrospective: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Release_0.3_Retrospective Thanks everyone who sent your opinions. If someone wants to add more thoughts you are welcome to edit above page! -- Regards, Alexander Ignatov

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/31/2013 01:32 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote: In the spirt of openness, yes I do think they are all needed. If they are not supported, then openstack is not open, it is a closed system. We should strive to innovate, not strive to be stuck with the status quo. To me it is a developers

[openstack-dev] HK Summit - Image Creation and Customization unconference?

2013-10-31 Thread Ian McLeod
Hello, Would any of you attending the summit be interested in snagging an unconference session to discuss the state of play with image creation, customization and import? I can contribute an overview and demonstration of our Nova-native image building tool. I'd be interested in exploring

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [savanna] [trove] Place for software configuration

2013-10-31 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/31/2013 01:51 PM, Alexander Kuznetsov wrote: Hi Heat, Savanna and Trove teams, All this projects have common part related to software configuration management. For creation, an environment user should specify a hardware parameter for vms: choose flavor, decide use cinder or not,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Call for participation: Breakout meeting for API deep-dive

2013-10-31 Thread Adrian Otto
Team, In the interest of providing adequate advance notice, we will not consider any of the timeslots for today. I have edited the poll accordingly. It also looks like a number of us did not notice that there are a lot of proposed times hiding under the accordion view of the poll. So, please

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Khanh-Toan Tran's message of 2013-10-31 07:22:06 -0700: Hi all, As a newbie of the community, I'm not familiar with unittest and how to use it here. I've learned that Jenkins runs tests everytime we submit some code. But how to write the test and what is a 'good test' and a

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Steven Hardy
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:30:32PM +, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 15:37 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this falls

[openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 10/31/2013 07:05 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: [...] If we want to grow the committer base and help people to become better reviewers, taking the time to show them the ropes is part of the game. hijacking the thread using Kyle's comment as an excuse. It's not an 'if' but a 'since':

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Paul Belanger
On 13-10-30 10:37 PM, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this falls into a few broad camps: A - there is no test suite at all, adding one in

Re: [openstack-dev] HK Summit - Image Creation and Customization unconference?

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-10-31 11:27:39 -0700: Hello, Would any of you attending the summit be interested in snagging an unconference session to discuss the state of play with image creation, customization and import? I can contribute an overview and demonstration of our

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Michael Bright
I like Steve's suggestion: The approach the Heat team have sometimes taken in this situation is to merge the patch, but raise a bug (targetted at the next milestone) identifying the missing coverage. I'm (almost!) a first time contributor and I've put a fix on the backburner as I find the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Locking and ZooKeeper - a space oddysey

2013-10-31 Thread Joshua Harlow
Agreed, I don't think we should enforce a hard requirement for the same reason we should avoid zookeeper. To me they are the same, saying 'no ZK' is the same as saying 'only mysql or rabbitmq'... Both not so open. On 10/31/13 11:04 AM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 10/31/2013

Re: [openstack-dev] Migrating to newer full projects from what used to be part of nova

2013-10-31 Thread Jesse Pretorius
On 31 October 2013 18:46, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: Is your disappointment that there isn't a path from Essex -- Grizzly/Havana, or are you unhappy with the content? Upgrading Essex-Folsom introduced both the challenge of upgrading nova-volume to cinder and the

Re: [openstack-dev] HK Summit - Image Creation and Customization unconference?

2013-10-31 Thread Ian McLeod
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 11:56 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-10-31 11:27:39 -0700: Hello, Would any of you attending the summit be interested in snagging an unconference session to discuss the state of play with image creation, customization and

Re: [openstack-dev] Migrating to newer full projects from what used to be part of nova

2013-10-31 Thread Jesse Pretorius
On 31 October 2013 19:05, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Right, Nova (and probably other projects, too) only supports N to N+1 upgrades. If you need to go to N+2, you'll need to go through N+1 to get there. Dead right, and especially with the aggressive schedule we have this is

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Sandy Walsh
On 10/30/2013 11:37 PM, Robert Collins wrote: This is a bit of a social norms thread I've been consistently asking for tests in reviews for a while now, and I get the occasional push-back. I think this falls into a few broad camps: A - there is no test suite at all, adding one in

Re: [openstack-dev] When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?

2013-10-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-10-31 13:30:32 + (+), Mark McLoughlin wrote: [...] In cases like that, I'd be of a mind to go +2 Awesome! Thanks for catching this! It would be great to have a unit test for this, but it's clear the current code is broken so I'm fine with merging the fix without a test. You

[openstack-dev] [sqlalchemy-migrate] Blueprint for review: Add DB2 10.5 Support

2013-10-31 Thread Matt Riedemann
I've got a sqlalchemy-migrate blueprint up for review to add DB2 support in migrate. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sqlalchemy-migrate/+spec/add-db2-support This is a pre-req for getting DB2 support into Nova so I'm targeting icehouse-1. We've been running with the migrate patches

[openstack-dev] [qa][keystone] Help with XML Tempest API tests

2013-10-31 Thread Steven Hardy
Hi all, So firstly, if you're an XML guru, I apologize, the questions below are probably really basic, I always prefer JSON or YAML, because every time I deal with XML, I get a week-long-headache ;) So I'm writing Tempest API tests for the keystone OS-TRUST extension, as was previously requested

[openstack-dev] [nova] Closes-Bug and Launchpad

2013-10-31 Thread Gary Kotton
Hi, Over the last few days I have noticed that bug fixes posted to gerrit are not updated in Launchpad. Am I doing something wrong? I think that the commit message is the correct format: Closes-Bug: #bug number. Any ideas? Thanks Gary ___ OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] HK Summit - Image Creation and Customization unconference?

2013-10-31 Thread Mark Washenberger
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Ian McLeod imcl...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 11:56 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-10-31 11:27:39 -0700: Hello, Would any of you attending the summit be interested in snagging an unconference

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Closes-Bug and Launchpad

2013-10-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-10-31 12:43:19 -0700 (-0700), Gary Kotton wrote: Over the last few days I have noticed that bug fixes posted to gerrit are not updated in Launchpad. [...] Links to one or two example changes might help. There are a number of other subtle ways this can break down (wrong branch/no

Re: [openstack-dev] HK Summit - Image Creation and Customization unconference?

2013-10-31 Thread Ian McLeod
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 12:50 -0700, Mark Washenberger wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Ian McLeod imcl...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 11:56 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-10-31 11:27:39 -0700:

[openstack-dev] [Horizon] Abdicating the PTL Position

2013-10-31 Thread Gabriel Hurley
Hi all, It saddens me to say that for a mix of reasons I have decided to abdicate my position as PTL for Horizon. If anything, the reasons are all good ones overall, I just have to make the right decision for both myself and the project. In the interim David Lyle will be the acting PTL. The

Re: [openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On 10/31/2013 07:05 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: [...] If we want to grow the committer base and help people to become better reviewers, taking the time to show them the ropes is part of the game. hijacking

Re: [openstack-dev] [Horizon] Abdicating the PTL Position

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/31/2013 04:06 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote: Hi all, It saddens me to say that for a mix of reasons I have decided to abdicate my position as PTL for Horizon. If anything, the reasons are all good ones overall, I just have to make the right decision for both myself and the project. In

[openstack-dev] A question about atomicity of repository commits

2013-10-31 Thread Birdsall, Dave
Hi, I'm new to the Openstack community. I have what is probably a naïve question. Suppose source code for a project is in Git repository A, while the Jenkins test suite for it is in Git repository B. First question: Does this happen in Openstack? (For example, are there nova tests in the

Re: [openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Monty Taylor
On 10/31/2013 04:15 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On 10/31/2013 07:05 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: [...] If we want to grow the committer base and help people to become better reviewers, taking the time to

Re: [openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Kyle Mestery (kmestery)
On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 10/31/2013 04:15 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On 10/31/2013 07:05 AM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: [...] If we want to grow the

[openstack-dev] [Infra] [Tempest] [Ironic] Testing Ironic

2013-10-31 Thread Devananda van der Veen
Hi all, Ironic has reached a point where it is capable of being added to integration tests and the gate pipeline. Does that mean we /should/ add it? I think so, and I'd like to know what others think, but let me be more specific about what I'm talking about. At this point, it is possible for

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [savanna] [trove] Place for software configuration

2013-10-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alexander Kuznetsov's message of 2013-10-31 10:51:54 -0700: Hi Heat, Savanna and Trove teams, All this projects have common part related to software configuration management. For creation, an environment user should specify a hardware parameter for vms: choose flavor,

Re: [openstack-dev] A question about atomicity of repository commits

2013-10-31 Thread Clark Boylan
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Birdsall, Dave dave.birds...@hp.com wrote: Hi, I'm new to the Openstack community. I have what is probably a naïve question. Suppose source code for a project is in Git repository A, while the Jenkins test suite for it is in Git repository B. First

Re: [openstack-dev] A question about atomicity of repository commits

2013-10-31 Thread Robert Collins
On 1 November 2013 09:20, Birdsall, Dave dave.birds...@hp.com wrote: Hi, I'm new to the Openstack community. I have what is probably a naïve question. Suppose source code for a project is in Git repository A, while the Jenkins test suite for it is in Git repository B. First question: Does

[openstack-dev] [Solum] HOLD THE DATES: Design Workshop @SFO

2013-10-31 Thread Roshan Agrawal
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Re: [openstack-dev] welcoming new committers (was Re: When is it okay for submitters to say 'I don't want to add tests' ?)

2013-10-31 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 11:49 -0700, Stefano Maffulli wrote: Another idea that Tom suggested is to use gerrit automation to send back to first time committers something in addition to the normal 'your patch is waiting for review' message. The message could be something like: thank you for

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