Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] mid-cycle sprint?

2013-07-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Devananda van der Veen's message of 2013-07-12 09:02:49 -0700: Neither week is possible for me. There's that thing in the desert... So while I'd like to attend, I don't think my absence will affect the rest of you being productive :) I see no reason to write off the Mojave

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal for new Program: OpenStack Deployment

2013-07-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Anne Gentle's message of 2013-07-10 07:47:19 -0700: Hi Robert, What's your plan for documenting the efforts so that others can do this in their environments? Is there any documentation currently for which you can send links? We've been documenting the bootstrap procedure in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Long-term, how do we make heat image/flavor name agnostic?

2013-07-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Adrian Otto's message of 2013-07-18 06:31:10 -0700: Robert, On Jul 18, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 18 July 2013 08:53, Gabriel Hurley gabriel.hur...@nebula.com wrote: I spent a bunch of time working with and understanding Heat in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Multi region support for Heat

2013-07-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-07-22 21:43:05 -0700: On 07/23/2013 10:46 AM, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 22/07/13 16:52 +0200, Bartosz Górski wrote: Hi folks, I would like to start a discussion about the blueprint I raised about multi region support. I would like to get

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] removing sudoers.d rules from disk-image-builder

2013-07-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-07-23 02:52:11 -0700: We have a bunch of sudo rules in disk-image-builder. They are there primarily so we could have passwordless sudo on jenkins boxes, but working with the infra team now, it looks like we'd run on devstack-gate nodes, not on

Re: [openstack-dev] A simple way to improve nova scheduler

2013-07-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Boris Pavlovic's message of 2013-07-19 07:52:55 -0700: Hi all, In Mirantis Alexey Ovtchinnikov and me are working on nova scheduler improvements. As far as we can see the problem, now scheduler has two major issues: 1) Scalability. Factors that contribute to bad

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Multi region support for Heat

2013-07-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Adrian Otto's message of 2013-07-23 21:22:14 -0700: Clint, On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-07-22 21:43:05 -0700: On 07/23/2013 10:46 AM, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 22/07/13 16:52 +0200, Bartosz

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] [baremetal] Mixed bare-metal + hypervisor cloud using grizzly

2013-07-24 Thread Clint Byrum
First off, welcome! :) FYI, this is the development mailing list. Questions like the one below may find more helpful answers on the general OpenStack users' mailing list. I have CC'd that list so that this response can be seen there, too, I suggest you re-send your original message there as well.

Re: [openstack-dev] A simple way to improve nova scheduler

2013-07-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joe Gordon's message of 2013-07-24 11:43:46 -0700: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/23/2013 06:00 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: This is really interesting work, thanks for sharing it with us. The discussion that has followed has

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] removing sudoers.d rules from disk-image-builder

2013-07-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-07-25 15:39:13 -0700: On 26 July 2013 10:19, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Chris Jones wrote: I agree with your analysis of the effects of the sudoers file and I think it makes a great argument for recommending people run the main

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Multi region support for Heat

2013-07-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-07-29 00:51:38 -0700: On 29/07/13 02:04, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 26/07/13 09:43 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-07-26 06:37:09 -0700: On 25/07/13 19:07, Bartosz Górski wrote: We want to start from something

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Multi region support for Heat

2013-07-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-07-29 10:21:29 -0700: On 29/07/13 17:40, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-07-29 00:51:38 -0700: On 29/07/13 02:04, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 26/07/13 09:43 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: These are all predictable

Re: [openstack-dev] Dropping or weakening the 'only import modules' style guideline - H302

2013-08-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-08-05 19:26:20 -0700: I wanted to get a temperature reading from everyone on this style guideline. My view on it is that it's a useful heuristic but shouldn't be a golden rule applied everywhere. Things like matches are designed to be used as a

Re: [openstack-dev] [DevStack] Python dependencies: PyPI vs distro packages

2013-08-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dean Troyer's message of 2013-08-05 10:03:07 -0700: * about-face on all-packages to all-PyPI (mtaylor): I'm still on the use packages where possible side but DevStack specifically is not in the packaging business. If it were we'd do what Java folk (*sorry*) have long taken the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone] V3 Extensions Discoverability

2013-08-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2013-08-06 10:34:30 -0700: On 08/06/2013 01:21 PM, David Chadwick wrote: On 06/08/2013 18:11, Jay Pipes wrote: What SMTP, DNS and LDAP extensions are in use by systems that need to interoperate in the same way that Keystone does? -- This is a genuine

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] The way to use one config file with new oslo module

2013-08-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Emilien Macchi's message of 2013-08-06 09:09:08 -0700: Hi, Since https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36476/ has been merged, heat could use only one configuration file : heat.conf instead of heat-engine.conf, heat-api.conf, etc. I would like your thoughts about deleting old

Re: [openstack-dev] [DevStack] Python dependencies: PyPI vs distro packages

2013-08-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-08-06 21:03:58 -0700: It does seem sad that the state of package management is this bad. It'd would be equally interesting to hear how others rollback changes (another thing yum doesn't do so well, since it doesn't have a good ability to

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] Should image size/checksum be immutable for active images?

2013-08-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from stuart.mclaren's message of 2013-08-07 02:13:15 -0700: Typically its the not-very-interesting case of changing the size from 0 to the real size after the data has uploaded. That happens before the image state transitions to 'active'. Shouldn't the size be NULL, not 0, since

Re: [openstack-dev] Blueprint for Nova native image building

2013-08-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-08-06 15:06:34 -0700: On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 16:02 -0300, Monty Taylor wrote: On 08/06/2013 03:46 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/06/2013 12:20 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/06/2013 11:53 AM, Ian Mcleod wrote: Hello, A blueprint has

Re: [openstack-dev] Python overhead for rootwrap

2013-08-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-08-08 10:39:38 -0700: A very neat option. I hadn't thought about tasks having policies on them. It does seem like a correct way to go, and a way that could help in some of the rootwrap area. Good idea jay, the taskflow devs I think are

Re: [openstack-dev] Blueprint for Nova native image building

2013-08-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ian McLeod's message of 2013-08-08 07:29:14 -0700: On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 11:00 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Flexibility can also be looked at as complexity. Complexity in Nova is expensive in many ways. But just poking a few more holes into Nova via the API would be a simple

[openstack-dev] [Heat] event table is a ticking time bomb

2013-08-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Last night while reviewing a feature which would add more events to the event table, it dawned on me that the event table really must be removed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1209492 tl;dr: users can write an infinite number of rows to the event table at a fairly alarming rate just by

[openstack-dev] Ensuring that we have OpenStack-friendly deployment options. (point: AGPL is problematic)

2013-08-09 Thread Clint Byrum
While looking at some of the emerging technologies coming into stackforge and moving toward incubation and/or incubation, an interesting trend has appeared. Everybody is using MongoDB! Now, don't get me wrong. MongoDB is being chosen for its technical excellence in these problem areas. I think

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate breakage process - Let's fix! (related but not specific to neutron)

2013-08-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Maru Newby's message of 2013-08-16 11:25:07 -0700: Neutron has been in and out of the gate for the better part of the past month, and it didn't slow the pace of development one bit. Most Neutron developers kept on working as if nothing was wrong, blithely merging changes with

Re: [openstack-dev] Proposal oslo.db lib

2013-08-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2013-08-16 11:10:09 -0700: On 2013-08-16 11:58, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/16/2013 09:52 AM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: Hi all, We (OpenStack contributors) done a really huge and great work around DB code in Grizzly and Havana to unify it, put all common

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate breakage process - Let's fix! (related but not specific to neutron)

2013-08-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Maru Newby's message of 2013-08-16 16:42:23 -0700: On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Maru Newby's message of 2013-08-16 11:25:07 -0700: Neutron has been in and out of the gate for the better part of the past month

Re: [openstack-dev] Launchpad bug tracker defects (was: Proposal oslo.db lib)

2013-08-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-08-16 13:55:46 -0700: Jay Pipes wrote: Are you going to create a separate Launchpad project for the library and track bugs against it separately? Or are you going to use the oslo project in Launchpad for that? At the moment all of the

Re: [openstack-dev] Code review study

2013-08-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mark McLoughlin's message of 2013-08-20 03:26:01 -0700: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 14:12 +1200, Robert Collins wrote: This may interest data-driven types here. https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/11-proven-practices-for-peer-review/ Note specifically the

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Propose Liang Chen for heat-core

2013-08-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-08-22 08:57:31 -0700: Hi, I'd like to propose that we add Liang Chen to the heat-core team[1] Liang has been doing some great work recently, consistently providing good review feedback[2][3], and also sending us some nice patches[4][5],

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] Derekh for tripleo core

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-08-27 14:25:47 -0700: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt - Derek is reviewing fairly regularly and has got a sense of the culture etc now, I think.

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Heat mission statement

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-08-27 14:13:37 -0700: On 28 August 2013 06:54, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: We had some recent discussions regarding the Heat mission statement and came up with: To explicitly model the relationships between OpenStack resources of

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] Derekh for tripleo core

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
(sent 2 days ago, but re-sending this as it never seemed to have arrived on the mailing list) Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2013-08-27 14:25:47 -0700: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] Service Relationships and Dependencies

2013-08-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from John Speidel's message of 2013-08-27 09:29:18 -0700: Some services/components are related or have dependencies on other services and components.As an example, in HDP, the Hive service depends on HBase and Zookeeper.In Savanna, there is no way to express this relationship.If a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Instance naming in IG/ASG and problems related to UpdatePolicy

2013-08-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chan, Winson C's message of 2013-08-30 07:23:18 -0700: The ideal I think is to just use some random short id for the name of the instances and then store a creation timestamp somewhere with the resource and use the timestamp to determine the age of the instances for removal.

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][heat] Question re deleting trusts via trust token

2013-09-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dolph Mathews's message of 2013-09-03 16:12:00 -0700: On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: Hi, I have a question for the keystone folks re the expected behavior when deleting a trust. Is it expected that you can only ever delete a trust

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Scaling of TripleO

2013-09-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2013-09-06 10:27:32 -0700: The purpose of this email is to brainstorm some ideas about how TripleO could be scaled out for large deployments. Thanks for thinking this through and taking the time to vet the ideas TripleO has presented thus far. Idea 0

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] summit.openstack.org track label for TripleO - Deployment

2013-09-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2013-09-10 00:56:29 -0700: Robert Collins wrote: Thierry, is it possible to change this to 'Deployment' rather than TripleO in the summit tool? I think it would avoid folk interested in Tuskar failing to find a place to submit their proposals, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] How the autoscale API should control scaling in Heat

2013-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-09-11 01:00:37 -0700: +1 The assertions are not just applicable to autoscaling but to software in general. I hope we can make autoscaling just enough simple to work. The circular heat=trove example is one of those that does worry me a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] How the autoscale API should control scaling in Heat

2013-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-09-11 05:59:02 -0700: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 03:51:02AM +, Adrian Otto wrote: It would be better if we could explain Autoscale like this: Heat - Autoscale - Nova, etc. -or- User - Autoscale - Nova, etc. This approach allows use

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat][oslo] mysql, sqlalchemy and sql_mode

2013-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-09-11 03:37:40 -0700: Hi all, I'm investigating some issues, where data stored to a text column in mysql is silently truncated if it's too big. It appears that the default configuration of mysql, and the sessions established via sqlalchemy is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] How the autoscale API should control scaling in Heat

2013-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-09-11 09:11:06 -0700: Sure, I was thinking that since heat would do autoscaling persay, then heat would say ask trove to make more databases (autoscale policy here) then this would cause trove to actually callback into heat to make more

Re: [openstack-dev] TC Meeting / Savanna Incubation Follow-Up

2013-09-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Michael Basnight's message of 2013-09-13 08:26:07 -0700: On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Alexander Kuznetsov wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Michael Basnight mbasni...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Sergey Lukjanov wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] Fwd: [Openstack-devel] PGP key signing party during the HK summit

2013-09-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2013-09-19 23:33:47 -0700: Hi, Has anyone thought about having a PGP key signing party during the summit? Guys from the Linux kernel thought it was useless, but after the hack of kernel.org, they started to understand it was useful, and now they

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] question about stack updates, instance groups and wait conditions

2013-09-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Simon Pasquier's message of 2013-09-17 05:57:58 -0700: Hello, I'm testing stack updates with instance group and wait conditions and I'd like to get feedback from the Heat community. My template declares an instance group resource with size = N and a wait condition resource

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse

2013-09-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Keith Bray's message of 2013-09-23 12:22:16 -0700: I think this picture is relevant to Heat context: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y_yyIpql5_cdC8116XrBHzn6GfP_g0NHTTG_W4o 0R9U/edit As more and more types of compute (containers, VMs, bare metal) and other resources

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-24 22:03:21 -0700: Let me elaborate a little on my thoughts about software orchestration, and respond to the recent mails from Zane and Debo. I have expanded my picture at

[openstack-dev] [Heat] PTL candidacy

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
of the bugs in Heat addressed as possible. * My name is not, in fact, Steve. You may consider this a pro, or a con. Clint Byrum Senior Server/Cloud Software Engineer - HP ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http

Re: [openstack-dev] Current list of confirmed PTL Candidates

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2013-09-25 11:15:21 -0700: I agree with all that u guys are saying and I think that the current PTL's have done a great job and I know that there is a lot to take under consideration when submitting a potential PTL candidacy and that its all about

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Spatzier's message of 2013-09-25 00:59:44 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 25.09.2013 08:46:57: From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 25.09.2013 08:48 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler

Re: [openstack-dev] [elastic-recheck] Announcing elastic-recheck

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joe Gordon's message of 2013-09-25 17:56:15 -0700: Hi All, TL;DR: We will be automatically identifying your flaky tempest runs, so you just have to confirm that you hit bug x, not identify which bug you hit. \o/ ___ OpenStack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Case sensitivity backend databases

2013-09-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Henry Nash's message of 2013-09-25 01:45:32 -0700: Hi Do we specify somewhere whether text field matching in the API is case sensitive or in-sensitive? I'm thinking about filters, as well as user and domain names in authentication. I think our current implementation will

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics

2013-09-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-09-27 06:58:40 -0700: On 27/09/13 08:58, Mike Spreitzer wrote: I have begun to draft some specifics about the sorts of policies that might be added to infrastructure to inform a smart unified placement engine. These are cast as an extension to

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics

2013-09-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-27 11:51:20 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 09/27/2013 11:58:16 AM: From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 09/27/2013 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics

2013-09-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-09-30 03:33:32 -0700: On 27/09/13 17:58, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-09-27 06:58:40 -0700: On 27/09/13 08:58, Mike Spreitzer wrote: I have begun to draft some specifics about the sorts of policies that might

Re: [openstack-dev] [Spam] Heat stack-create fails in TripleO devtest environment

2013-09-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from hideyasu hayashi's message of 2013-09-30 18:29:24 -0700: Dear List, Hi, I set up TripleO devtest environment on VMware(Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS) according to devtest described in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-incubator/devtest.html There are 50 steps. I set

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-10-01 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-09-30 11:44:26 -0700: Hi, I am working on the OpenStack project Murano which actually had to solve the same problem with software level orchestration. Right now Murano has a DSL language which allows you to define a workflow for a complex

Re: [openstack-dev] [scheduler] [heat] Policy specifics (for holistic infrastructure scheduling)

2013-10-01 Thread Clint Byrum
Mike, this has been really fun, but it is starting to feel like a rabbit hole. The case for having one feels legitimate. However, at this point, I think someone will need to actually build it, or the idea is just a pipe dream. Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-30 19:21:22 -0700:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] question about stack updates, instance groups and wait conditions

2013-10-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Simon Pasquier's message of 2013-10-03 07:12:51 -0700: Hi Clint, Thanks for the reply! I'll update the bug you raised with more information. In the meantime, I agree with you that cfn-hup is enough for now. BTW, is there any bug or missing feature that would prevent me

Re: [openstack-dev] [savanna] neutron and private networks

2013-10-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2013-10-03 08:59:25 -0700: I've been trying to use heat more and ran into similar issues with its metadata server bits not working on private namespaces too. Long term it may need to be made netns aware as well. Hi Kevin, could you please file a bug

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Undercloud Ceilometer

2013-10-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ladislav Smola's message of 2013-10-04 08:28:22 -0700: Hello, just a few words about role of Ceilometer in the Undercloud and the work in progress. Why we need Ceilometer in Undercloud: --- In Tuskar-UI, we will display

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] tripleo-core update october

2013-10-08 Thread Clint Byrum
I don't meant to pick on you personally Jiří, but I have singled this message out because I feel you have captured the objections to Robert's initial email well. Excerpts from Jiří Stránský's message of 2013-10-08 04:30:29 -0700: On 8.10.2013 11:44, Martyn Taylor wrote: Whilst I can see that

Re: [openstack-dev] [diskimage-builder] Tracing levels for scripts (119023)

2014-12-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Jones's message of 2014-12-03 02:47:30 -0800: Hi I am very sympathetic to this view. We have a patch in hand that improves the situation. We also have disagreement about the ideal situation. I +2'd Ian's patch because it makes things work better than they do now. If

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Managing no-mergepy template duplication

2014-12-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2014-12-03 18:35:15 -0800: On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 10:11 +, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, Lately I've been spending more time looking at tripleo and doing some reviews. I'm particularly interested in helping the no-mergepy and subsequent

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Ironic] Do we want to remove Nova-bm support?

2014-12-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steve Kowalik's message of 2014-12-03 20:47:19 -0800: Hi all, I'm becoming increasingly concerned about all of the code paths in tripleo-incubator that check $USE_IRONIC -eq 0 -- that is, use nova-baremetal rather than Ironic. We do not check nova-bm support in CI, haven't

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Do we want to remove Nova-bm support?

2014-12-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2014-12-04 11:12:10 -0800: FWIW, I think the correct thing to do here is to get our Juno jobs up and running and have one of them verify the nova-bm code paths for this cycle, and then remove it next cycle. That said, I have no idea how close we are to

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Using python logging.conf for openstack services

2014-12-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Gregory Haynes's message of 2014-12-04 15:20:53 -0800: Hello TripleOers, I got a patch together to move us off of our upstart exec service | logger -t service hack [1] and this got me wondering - why aren't we using the python logging.conf supported by most OpenStack projects

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

2014-12-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from marios's message of 2014-12-04 02:40:23 -0800: On 04/12/14 11:40, James Polley wrote: Just taking a look at http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654 again - we've had 10 people respond so far. The winning time so far is Monday 2100UTC - 7 yes and one If I have to. for me it

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] Managing no-mergepy template duplication

2014-12-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2014-12-04 01:09:18 -0800: On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 06:54:48PM -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2014-12-03 18:35:15 -0800: On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 10:11 +, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, Lately I've been

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Fuel agent proposal

2014-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Yuriy Zveryanskyy's message of 2014-12-09 04:05:03 -0800: Good day Ironicers. I do not want to discuss questions like Is feature X good for release Y? or Is feature Z in Ironic scope or not?. I want to get an answer for this: Is Ironic a flexible, easy extendable and

Re: [openstack-dev] People of OpenStack (and their IRC nicks)

2014-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2014-12-09 15:25:59 -0800: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On 12/09/2014 06:04 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: We already have a solution for tracking the contributor-IRC mapping--add it to your

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] mid-cycle details final draft

2014-12-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Just FYI, we ran into a last minute scheduling conflict with the venue and are sorting it out, so please _do not book travel yet_. Worst case it will move to Feb 16 - 18 instead of 18 - 20. Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2014-12-01 14:58:58 -0800: Hello! I've received confirmation that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] UniqueConstraint for name and tenant_id in security group

2014-12-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-12-11 05:43:46 -0800: On 12/11/2014 07:22 AM, Anna Kamyshnikova wrote: Hello everyone! In neutron there is a rather old bug [1] about adding uniqueness for security group name and tenant id. I found this idea reasonable and started working on

Re: [openstack-dev] Do all OpenStack daemons support sd_notify?

2014-12-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ihar Hrachyshka's message of 2014-12-15 07:21:04 -0800: Hash: SHA512 On 14/12/14 09:45, Thomas Goirand wrote: Hi, As I am slowing fixing all systemd issues for the daemons of OpenStack in Debian (and hopefully, have this ready before the freeze of Jessie), I was

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Convergence proof-of-concept showdown

2014-12-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Anant Patil's message of 2014-12-15 07:15:30 -0800: On 13-Dec-14 05:42, Zane Bitter wrote: On 12/12/14 05:29, Murugan, Visnusaran wrote: -Original Message- From: Zane Bitter [mailto:zbit...@redhat.com] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 6:37 AM To:

Re: [openstack-dev] Unsafe Abandon

2014-12-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ari Rubenstein's message of 2014-12-15 12:32:08 -0800: Hi there, I'm new to the list, and trying to get more information about the following issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1353670 Is there anyone on the list who can explain under what conditions a user might

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] mid-cycle details -- CONFIRMED Feb. 18 - 20

2014-12-15 Thread Clint Byrum
I'm happy to announce we've cleared the schedule and the Mid-Cycle is confirmed for February 18 - 20 in Seattle, WA at HP's downtown offices. Please refer to the etherpad linked below for details including address and instructions for access to the building. PLEASE make sure you add yourself to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Convergence proof-of-concept showdown

2014-12-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Anant Patil's message of 2014-12-16 07:36:58 -0800: On 16-Dec-14 00:59, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Anant Patil's message of 2014-12-15 07:15:30 -0800: On 13-Dec-14 05:42, Zane Bitter wrote: On 12/12/14 05:29, Murugan, Visnusaran wrote: -Original Message

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Application level HA via Heat

2014-12-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Renat Akhmerov's message of 2014-12-24 03:40:22 -0800: Hi Ok, I'm quite happy to accept this may be a better long-term solution, but can anyone comment on the current maturity level of Mistral? Questions which spring to mind are: - Is the DSL stable now? You can

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][cinder][neutron][security] Rootwrap on root-intensive nodes

2015-02-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Tristan Cacqueray's message of 2015-02-04 09:02:19 -0800: On 02/04/2015 06:57 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 11:58:03AM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: What solutions do we have ? (1) we could get our act together and audit and fix those filter

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][cinder][neutron][security] Rootwrap on root-intensive nodes

2015-02-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-04 03:57:53 -0800: On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 11:58:03AM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: The first one is performance -- each call would spawn a Python interpreter which would then call the system command. This was fine when there were just a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo.db][nova] TL; DR Things everybody should know about Galera

2015-02-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Matthew Booth's message of 2015-02-04 08:30:32 -0800: * Write followed by read on a different node can return stale data During a commit, Galera replicates a transaction out to all other db nodes. Due to its design, Galera knows these transactions will be successfully committed

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo.db][nova] TL; DR Things everybody should know about Galera

2015-02-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2015-02-04 13:24:20 -0800: How interesting, Why are people using galera if it behaves like this? :-/ Note that any true MVCC database will roll back transactions on conflicts. One must always have a deadlock detection algorithm of some kind. Galera

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] operators vs users for choosing convergence engine

2015-02-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2015-02-03 02:40:44 -0800: On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Steve Baker sba...@redhat.com wrote: A spec has been raised to add a config option to allow operators to choose whether to use the new convergence engine for stack operations. For some

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] operators vs users for choosing convergence engine

2015-02-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2015-02-03 10:00:44 -0800: On 02/02/15 19:52, Steve Baker wrote: A spec has been raised to add a config option to allow operators to choose whether to use the new convergence engine for stack operations. For some context you should read the spec first

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo.db][nova] TL; DR Things everybody should know about Galera

2015-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Lees's message of 2015-02-04 16:59:31 -0800: On Thu Feb 05 2015 at 9:02:49 AM Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 5 February 2015 at 10:24, Joshua Harlow harlo...@outlook.com wrote: How interesting, Why are people using galera if it behaves like

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo.db][nova] TL; DR Things everybody should know about Galera

2015-02-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Avishay Traeger's message of 2015-02-04 22:19:53 -0800: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 5 February 2015 at 10:24, Joshua Harlow harlo...@outlook.com wrote: How interesting, Why are people using galera if it behaves

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] operators vs users for choosing convergence engine

2015-02-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2015-02-06 06:25:57 -0800: On 03/02/15 14:12, Clint Byrum wrote: The visible change in making things parallel was minimal. In talking about convergence, it's become clear that users can and should expect something radically different when they issue

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] nominating James Polley for tripleo-core

2015-01-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Polley's message of 2015-01-14 12:46:37 -0800: Thanks for the nomination Clint (and +1s from people who have already responded) At this stage, I believe we've traditionally[1] asked[2] the potential new Core Reviewer to commit to 3 reviews per work-day. I don't feel

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Part two of core reviewer team -- pruning

2015-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Hello! Now that we've added James, I have some suggestions for members that should be dropped. I have communicated with some of these individuals and confirmed they are not interested in continuing. So for posterity sake I'm noting these two removals, effective immediately: Tzu-mainn Chen Imre

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] nominating James Polley for tripleo-core

2015-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
In about 24 hours we've seen 9 core +1's, one non-core +1, and only one dissenting opinion from James himself which I think we have properly dismissed. With my nomination counting as an additional +1, that is 10, which is 50% of the 20 cores active the last 90 days. I believe this vote has

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] nominating James Polley for tripleo-core

2015-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chuck Carlino's message of 2015-01-15 09:43:41 -0800: On 01/15/2015 08:49 AM, Alexis Lee wrote: Clint Byrum said on Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:14:45AM -0800: holidays. However, I believe James has demonstrated superb review skills and a commitment to the project that shows broad

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] nominating James Polley for tripleo-core

2015-01-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Hello! It has been a while since we expanded our review team. The numbers aren't easy to read with recent dips caused by the summit and holidays. However, I believe James has demonstrated superb review skills and a commitment to the project that shows broad awareness of the project. Below are the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project. It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for caring enough to notice bad

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Nikola Đipanov's message of 2015-02-11 05:26:47 -0800: On 02/11/2015 02:13 PM, Sean Dague wrote: If core team members start dropping off external IRC where they are communicating across corporate boundaries, then the local tribal effects start taking over. You get people

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Stepping down as TripleO PTL

2015-02-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-02-17 08:52:46 -0800: Excerpts from Anita Kuno's message of 2015-02-17 07:38:01 -0800: On 02/17/2015 09:21 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: There has been a recent monumental shift in my focus around OpenStack, and it has required me to take most of my

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2015-02-12 00:13:35 -0800: On 11/02/15 09:37 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800: On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote: This email is dedicated to the openness of our

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Stepping down as TripleO PTL

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Anita Kuno's message of 2015-02-17 07:38:01 -0800: On 02/17/2015 09:21 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: There has been a recent monumental shift in my focus around OpenStack, and it has required me to take most of my attention off TripleO. Given that, I don't think it is in the best

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Repurposing HP CI regions

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
FYI: Recently HP's focus for deployment has changed, and as such, some of the resources we had dedicated for TripleO are being redistributed. As such, the HP CI region won't be returning to the pool (it is currently removed due to some stability issues). Nor will we be adding region #2, which

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Stepping down as TripleO PTL

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
There has been a recent monumental shift in my focus around OpenStack, and it has required me to take most of my attention off TripleO. Given that, I don't think it is in the best interest of the project that I continue as PTL for the Kilo cycle. I'd like to suggest that we hold an immediate

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of 2015-02-17 02:37:50 -0800: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: ## Cores are *NOT* special At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message changed and the feeling of core's being some kind

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