Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Lets keep our community open, lets fight for it

2015-02-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ed Leafe's message of 2015-02-17 10:11:01 -0800: On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Shaming a person is a last resort, when that person may not listen to reason. It's sometimes necessary to bring shame to a practice, but even then, those who

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] do we really need project tags in the governance repository?

2015-01-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2015-01-27 02:46:03 -0800: Doug Hellmann wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] I'm open to alternative suggestions on where the list of tags, their definition and the list projects they apply to should live. If you

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators] [Keystone] flush expired tokens and moves deleted instance

2015-01-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Tim Bell's message of 2015-01-25 22:10:10 -0800: This is often mentioned as one of those items which catches every OpenStack cloud operator at some time. It's not clear to me that there could not be a scheduled job built into the system with a default frequency (configurable,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [openstack-operators] [Keystone] flush expired tokens and moves deleted instance

2015-01-27 Thread Clint Byrum
-offs that may or may not work well for your site. Excerpts from John Dewey's message of 2015-01-27 10:41:33 -0800: This is one reason to use the memcached backend. Why replicate these tokens in the first place. On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.db] PyMySQL review

2015-01-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Johannes Erdfelt's message of 2015-01-28 15:33:25 -0800: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015, Mike Bayer mba...@redhat.com wrote: I can envision turning this driver into a total monster, adding C-speedups where needed but without getting in the way of async patching, adding new APIs for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Keystone] Native keystone resources in Heat

2015-01-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2015-01-29 08:41:36 -0800: I got a question today about creating keystone users/roles/tenants in Heat templates. We currently support creating users via the AWS::IAM::User resource, but we don't have a native equivalent. IIUC keystone now allows you

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.db] PyMySQL review

2015-01-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Vishvananda Ishaya's message of 2015-01-29 10:21:58 -0800: On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Roman Podoliaka rpodoly...@mirantis.com wrote: Jeremy, I don't have exact numbers, so yeah, it's just an assumption based on looking at the nova-api/scheduler logs with

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][python-clients] More freedom for all python clients

2015-01-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2015-01-26 12:29:37 -0800: On 27 January 2015 at 09:01, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:03 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 01/20/2015 08:15 PM, Robert Collins wrote: On 21 January 2015 at 10:21, Clark

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Convergence proof-of-concept showdown

2015-01-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2015-01-09 14:57:21 -0800: On 08/01/15 05:39, Anant Patil wrote: 1. The stack was failing when there were single disjoint resources or just one resource in template. The graph did not include this resource due to a minor bug in dependency_names(). I

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone] Depraction of the auth_token fragments

2015-02-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thomas Goirand's message of 2015-02-14 16:48:01 -0800: Hi, I've seen messages in the logs telling that we should move to the identity_uri. I don't really like the identity_uri which contains all of the information in a single directive, which means that a script that would

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Artifacts] Object Version format: SemVer vs pep440

2015-02-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alexander Tivelkov's message of 2015-02-10 07:28:55 -0800: Hi folks, One of the key features that we are adding to Glance with the introduction of Artifacts is the ability to have multiple versions of the same object in the repository: this gives us the possibility to query

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo.db][nova] TL; DR Things everybody should know about Galera

2015-02-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2015-02-09 12:36:45 -0800: CAS is preferred because it is measurably faster and more obstruction-free than SELECT FOR UPDATE. A colleague of mine is almost ready to publish documentation showing a benchmark of this that shows nearly a 100% decrease in

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][oslo.db][nova] TL; DR Things everybody should know about Galera

2015-02-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2015-02-09 10:15:10 -0800: On 02/09/2015 01:02 PM, Attila Fazekas wrote: I do not see why not to use `FOR UPDATE` even with multi-writer or Is the retry/swap way really solves anything here. snip Am I missed something ? Yes. Galera does not replicate

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] stepping down as core reviewer

2015-02-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Thanks Robert. I share most of your views on this. The project will certainly miss your reviews. I'll go ahead and remove you from the permissions and stats. Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2015-02-15 13:40:02 -0800: Hi, I've really not been pulling my weight as a core reviewer in

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Meetup Reminder

2015-01-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Happy New Year! Just a friendly reminder to those of you who are interested in TripleO, we have a three-day Meetup scheduled for February 18-20 in Seattle, WA. All are welcome, though space is limited to 30 participants. Thus far we have 8 people signed up in the etherpad:

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat][tripleo] Making diskimage-builder install from forked repo?

2015-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2015-01-08 09:37:55 -0800: Hi all, I'm trying to test a fedora-software-config image with some updated components. I need: - Install latest master os-apply-config (the commit I want isn't released) - Install os-refresh-config fork from

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat][tripleo] Making diskimage-builder install from forked repo?

2015-01-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Jones's message of 2015-01-08 10:16:14 -0800: Hi On 8 Jan 2015, at 17:58, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2015-01-08 09:37:55 -0800: So you can probably setup a devpi instance locally, and upload the commits you want

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Switching CI back to amd64

2015-01-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Derek Higgins's message of 2015-01-07 02:51:41 -0800: Hi All, I intended to bring this up at this mornings meeting but the train I was on had no power sockets (and I had no battery) so sending to the list instead. We currently run our CI with on images built for i386, we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Cinder] Questions re progress

2015-03-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Adam Lawson's message of 2015-03-18 11:25:37 -0700: The aim is cloud storage that isn't affected by a host failure and major players who deploy hyper-scaling clouds architect them to prevent that from happening. To me that's cloud 101. Physical machine goes down, data disappears,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone]ON DELETE RESTRICT VS ON DELETE CASCADE

2015-03-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from David Stanek's message of 2015-03-08 11:18:05 -0700: On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Mike Bayer mba...@redhat.com wrote: can you elaborate on your reasoning that FK constraints should be used less overall? or do you just mean that the client side should be mirroring the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone]ON DELETE RESTRICT VS ON DELETE CASCADE

2015-03-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Bayer's message of 2015-03-09 10:26:37 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from David Stanek's message of 2015-03-08 11:18:05 -0700: On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Mike Bayer mba...@redhat.com wrote: can you elaborate on your reasoning that FK

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone]ON DELETE RESTRICT VS ON DELETE CASCADE

2015-03-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Bayer's message of 2015-03-09 17:26:36 -0700: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: So I think I didn't speak clearly enough here. The benchmarks are of course needed, but there's a tipping point when write activity gets to a certain level where it's cheaper to let

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Do we need release announcements for all the things?

2015-03-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2015-03-13 08:06:43 -0700: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 06:57 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Clint Byrum wrote: I spend a not-insignificant amount of time deciding which threads to read and which to fully ignore each day, so extra threads mean extra

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] readout from Philly Operators Meetup

2015-03-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-03-11 05:59:10 -0700: = Additional Interesting Bits = Rabbit -- There was a whole session on Rabbit - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-rabbit-queue Rabbit is a top

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] readout from Philly Operators Meetup

2015-03-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2015-03-12 10:04:57 -0700: On Thu, Mar 12, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-03-11 05:59:10 -0700: = Additional Interesting Bits

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] readout from Philly Operators Meetup

2015-03-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-03-12 09:59:35 -0700: On 03/12/2015 12:47 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-03-11 05:59:10 -0700: = Additional Interesting Bits = Rabbit

[openstack-dev] [all] Do we need release announcements for all the things?

2015-03-12 Thread Clint Byrum
I spend a not-insignificant amount of time deciding which threads to read and which to fully ignore each day, so extra threads mean extra work, even with a streamlined workflow of single-key-press-per-thread. So I'm wondering what people are getting from these announcements being on the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Do we need release announcements for all the things?

2015-03-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jeremy Stanley's message of 2015-03-12 13:58:20 -0700: On 2015-03-12 13:22:04 -0700 (-0700), Clint Byrum wrote: [...] So I'm wondering what people are getting from these announcements being on the discussion list. [...] The main thing I get from them is that they're being

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] how to handle vendor-specific API microversions?

2015-03-31 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Lingxian Kong's message of 2015-03-23 21:11:28 -0700: 2015-03-21 23:31 GMT+08:00 Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com: I would vote that we not make this pleasant or easy for vendors who are wanting to add a feature to the API. As a person who uses several clouds daily, I can

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] creating a unified developer reference manual

2015-02-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ben Nemec's message of 2015-02-27 09:25:37 -0800: On 02/27/2015 03:54 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Doug Hellmann wrote: Maybe some of the folks in the meeting who felt more strongly that it should be a separate document can respond with their thoughts? I don't feel very

Re: [openstack-dev] auto-abandon changesets considered harmful (was Re: [stable][all] Revisiting the 6 month release cycle [metrics])

2015-03-02 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Wiegley's message of 2015-03-02 12:47:14 -0800: On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:13 PM, James E. Blair cor...@inaugust.com wrote: Stefano branched this thread from an older one to talk about auto-abandon. In the previous thread, I believe I explained my concerns, but since the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Re-evaluating the suitability of the 6 month release cycle

2015-03-02 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2015-03-02 17:08:15 -0800: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Bottomley james.bottom...@hansenpartnership.com wrote: On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 12:05 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Daniel P. Berrange wrote: [...] The key observations

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Re-evaluating the suitability of the 6 month release cycle

2015-03-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2015-03-04 02:19:48 -0800: James Bottomley wrote: On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 11:59 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: James Bottomley wrote: Actually, this is possible: look at Linux, it freezes for 10 weeks of a 12 month release cycle (or 6 weeks of an 8

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Adding vendor drivers in Ironic

2015-02-28 Thread Clint Byrum
I'm not sure I understand your statement Gary. If Ironic defines what is effectively a plugin API, and the vendor drivers are careful to utilize that API properly, the two sets of code can be released entirely independent of one another. This is how modules work in the kernel, X.org drivers work,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] Adding vendor drivers in Ironic

2015-03-01 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Gary Kotton's message of 2015-03-01 02:32:37 -0800: Hi, I am just relaying pain-points that we encountered in neutron. As I have said below it makes the development process a lot quicker for people working on external drivers. I personally believe that it fragments the community

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Replace eventlet with asyncio

2015-02-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Victor Stinner's message of 2015-02-25 02:12:05 -0800: Hi, I also just put up another proposal to consider: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156711/ Sew over eventlet + patching with threads My asyncio spec is unclear about WSGI, I just wrote The spec doesn't change

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] db-level locks, non-blocking algorithms, active/active DB clusters and IPAM

2015-02-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Salvatore Orlando's message of 2015-02-23 04:07:38 -0800: Lazy-Stacker summary: I am doing some work on Neutron IPAM code for IP Allocation, and I need to found whether it's better to use db locking queries (SELECT ... FOR UPDATE) or some sort of non-blocking algorithm. Some

Re: [openstack-dev] H302 considered harmful

2015-02-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Duncan Thomas's message of 2015-02-25 10:51:00 -0800: Hi So a review [1] was recently submitted to cinder to fix up all of the H302 violations, and turn on the automated check for them. This is certainly a reasonable suggestion given the number of manual reviews that -1 for

Re: [openstack-dev] H302 considered harmful

2015-02-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Duncan Thomas's message of 2015-02-25 12:51:35 -0800: Clint This rule is not currently enabled in Cinder. This review fixes up all cases and enables it, which is absolutely 100% the right thing to do if we decide to implement this rule. The purpose of this thread is to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Do we need release announcements for all the things?

2015-03-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Russell Bryant's message of 2015-03-23 07:51:43 -0700: On 03/23/2015 10:47 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Kuvaja, Erno wrote: [...] This is one of the benefits/caveats of having a single dev mailing list. There is lots of noise for everyone, but this particular noise is one of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Infra] Use of heat for CI of OpenStack

2015-04-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2015-04-03 10:08:07 -0700: Monty Taylor wrote: On 04/03/2015 08:55 AM, Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote: I was wondering.. Is the OpenStack CI/CD Infra using Heat in any way? Do the commits trigger a new build of DevStack/OpenStack that is based on a

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Consistent variable documentation for diskimage-builder elements

2015-04-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Dan Prince's message of 2015-04-13 14:07:28 -0700: On Tue, 2015-04-07 at 21:06 +, Gregory Haynes wrote: Hello, Id like to propse a standard for consistently documenting our diskimage-builder elements. I have pushed a review which transforms the apt-sources element to

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] eventlet 0.17.3 is now fully Python 3 compatible

2015-04-23 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Victor Stinner's message of 2015-04-23 07:24:06 -0700: Also, on the Python 3 topic, there's still a big issue with memcached (aka: python-memcache). Oh, thanks Thomas for the reminder. I just sent a pull request to port python-memcached to Python 3:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Port Nova to Python 3

2015-04-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Toner's message of 2015-04-24 05:38:42 -0700: If written to use python 3, I hope it will use all the new features of python 3.4 moving forward. For example, argument annotations, coroutines, asyncio, etc. At my last workplace, we tried to make our project python2 and 3

Re: [openstack-dev] Please stop reviewing code while asking questions

2015-04-24 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2015-04-24 07:23:35 -0700: Excerpts from Julien Danjou's message of 2015-04-24 10:14:38 +0200: Hi there, This is now happening weekly to me now, probably because I write too many patches touching almost all OpenStack projects once a cycle, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][code quality] Voting coverage job (-1 if coverage get worse after patch)

2015-04-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Boris Pavlovic's message of 2015-04-18 18:30:02 -0700: Hi stackers, Code coverage is one of the very important metric of overall code quality especially in case of Python. It's quite important to ensure that code is covered fully with well written unit tests. One of the nice

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Call for adoption (or exclusion?)

2015-04-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joe Gordon's message of 2015-04-27 10:36:57 -0700: On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 24/04/15 19:02, Joe Gordon wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com mailto:fla...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] Navigating the ever changing OpenStack codebase

2015-04-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Kevin L. Mitchell's message of 2015-04-27 15:38:25 -0700: On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 21:42 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: I consider it an unfortunate oversight that those files weren't deleted a very, very long time ago. Unfortunately, there's one problem with that: you can't tell

Re: [openstack-dev] [swift] Go! Swift!

2015-04-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from John Dickinson's message of 2015-04-30 09:40:02 -0700: Swift is a scalable and durable storage engine for storing unstructured data. It's been proven time and time again in production in clusters all over the world. We in the Swift developer community are constantly looking

Re: [openstack-dev] Navigating the ever changing OpenStack codebase

2015-04-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Kevin L. Mitchell's message of 2015-04-28 08:15:51 -0700: On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 15:54 -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Kevin L. Mitchell's message of 2015-04-27 15:38:25 -0700: On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 21:42 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: I consider it an unfortunate

Re: [openstack-dev] [swift] Go! Swift!

2015-05-07 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chuck Thier's message of 2015-05-07 13:10:13 -0700: I think most are missing the point a bit. The question that should really be asked is, what is right for Swift to continue to scale. Since the inception of Openstack, Swift has had to solve for problems of scale that generally

Re: [openstack-dev] [swift] Go! Swift!

2015-05-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Clay Gerrard's message of 2015-05-07 18:35:23 -0700: On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: I'm still very curious to hear if anybody has been willing to try to make Swift work on pypy. yeah, Alex Gaynor was helping out with it for awhile

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Core reviewer update proposal

2015-05-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2015-05-05 04:57:46 -0700: Hi, I'd like to propose adding Giulio Fidente and Steve Hardy to TripleO Core. Giulio has been an active member of our community for a while. He worked on the HA implementation in the elements and recently has been making a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Replace mysql-python with mysqlclient

2015-05-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Bayer's message of 2015-05-11 15:44:30 -0700: On 5/11/15 5:25 PM, Robert Collins wrote: Details: Skip over this bit if you know it all already. The GIL plays a big factor here: if you want to scale the amount of CPU available to a Python service, you have two

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][all] Architecture Diagrams in ascii art?

2015-05-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jeremy Stanley's message of 2015-05-12 08:35:40 -0700: One up side to keeping simple diagrams as ASCII art (and converting to something more palatable via a Sphinx plugin) is that people browsing the source code can just read it--this is the same reason we have a preference for

Re: [openstack-dev] what is the ticket tracking system openstack community use?

2015-05-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Most projects track their bugs on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/openstack Some projects are also using a new system called StoryBoard: https://storyboard.openstack.org/ You can also find a wealth of information about such issues in the infrastructure manual:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][all] Architecture Diagrams in ascii art?

2015-05-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-05-12 03:48:11 -0700: On 05/12/2015 05:22 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: John Garbutt wrote: On 11 May 2015 at 23:46, Boris Pavlovic bo...@pavlovic.me wrote: Couldn't we just use real image files to do this. IIRC, gerrit supports displaying image

[openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Hello! There's been some recent progress on python3 compatibility for core libraries that OpenStack depends on[1], and this is likely to open the flood gates for even more python3 problems to be found and fixed. Recently a proposal was made to make oslo.messaging start to run python3 tests[2],

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: On 04/14/2015 07:26 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 14/04/15 23:18 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-04-15 01:10:03 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote: [...] I'd recommend sending this email to the ops mailing list And

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Doug Hellmann's message of 2015-04-15 10:48:30 -0700: Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-04-15 10:15:11 -0700: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-14 16:54:30 -0700: It's time to be honest about the level of support that comes with those other

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][pbr] splitting our deployment vs install dependencies

2015-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-04-15 06:50:11 -0700: == End game? *If* pip install took into account the requirements of everything already installed like apt or yum does, and resolve accordingly (including saying that's not possible unless you uninstall or upgrade X), we'd be

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-15 Thread Clint Byrum
As a result of all of the excellent discussions here, I have produced a spec for policy which I think will assist us all in moving forward on improving the quality in this space: https://review.openstack.org/174105 Thanks everyone for your excellent replies! Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Mysql db connection leaking?

2015-04-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2015-04-16 15:40:30 -0700: On 4/16/2015 12:27 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 04/16/2015 09:54 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 04/16/2015 05:20 PM, Qiming Teng wrote: Wondering if there is something misconfigured in my devstack environment, which was

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo] eventlet 0.17.3 is now fully Python 3 compatible

2015-04-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Joe Gordon's message of 2015-04-16 15:15:01 -0700: On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Victor Stinner vstin...@redhat.com wrote: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3#Dependencies appears to be fairly out of date. You're right. I updated this wiki page. In practice, much

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] on supporting multiple implementations of tripleo-heat-templates

2015-04-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Giulio Fidente's message of 2015-04-17 06:21:28 -0700: Hi, the Heat/Puppet implementation of the Overcloud deployment seems to be surpassing in features the Heat/Elements implementation. The changes for Ceph are an example, the Puppet based version is already adding

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] on supporting multiple implementations of tripleo-heat-templates

2015-04-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2015-04-17 10:49:48 -0700: On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Giulio Fidente's message of 2015-04-17 06:21:28 -0700: Hi, the Heat/Puppet implementation of the Overcloud deployment seems

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2015-04-14 13:13:47 -0700: On 4/14/2015 12:22 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Hello! There's been some recent progress on python3 compatibility for core libraries that OpenStack depends on[1], and this is likely to open the flood gates for even more

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] QPID incompatible with python 3 and untested in gate -- what to do?

2015-04-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-04-14 12:54:20 -0700: Just to be clear: you're asking specifically about the 0-10 based impl_qpid.py driver, correct? This is the driver that is used for the qpid:// transport (aka rpc_backend). I ask because I'm maintaining the AMQP 1.0 driver

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone] SQLite support (migrations, work-arounds, and more), is it worth it?

2015-04-06 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Boris Bobrov's message of 2015-04-03 18:29:08 -0700: On Saturday 04 April 2015 03:55:59 Morgan Fainberg wrote: I am looking forward to the Liberty cycle and seeing the special casing we do for SQLite in our migrations (and elsewhere). My inclination is that we should (similar

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] how to send messages (and events) to our users

2015-04-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2015-04-06 19:55:37 -0700: Hi all For quite some time we (Heat team) have wanted to be able to send messages to our users (by user I do not mean the Operator, but the User that is interacting with the client). What do I mean by user messages, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Consistent variable documentation for diskimage-builder elements

2015-04-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Gregory Haynes's message of 2015-04-07 14:06:52 -0700: Hello, Id like to propse a standard for consistently documenting our diskimage-builder elements. I have pushed a review which transforms the apt-sources element to this format[1][2]. Essentially, id like to move in the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ceph] Is it necessary to flatten Copy-on-write cloning for RBD-backed disks?

2015-06-08 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Kun Feng's message of 2015-06-08 20:34:51 -0700: Hi all, I'm using ceph as storage backend for Nova and Glance, and merged the rbd-ephemeral-clone patch into Nova. As VM disks are Copy-on-write clones of a image, I have some concerns about this: 1. Since hundreds of vm disks

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [stable] No longer doing stable point releases

2015-06-05 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2015-06-05 05:46:07 -0700: So.. summarizing the various options again: Thanks for the excellent summary Thierry Plan C Let projects randomly tag point releases whenever (-) Still a bit costly in terms of herding cats I feel like plan C is the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][infra][tc][ptl] Scaling up code review process (subdir cores)

2015-06-03 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Boris Pavlovic's message of 2015-06-02 16:36:20 -0700: Jeremy, the Infrastructure Project is now past 120 repos with more than 70 core reviewers among those. I dislike the idea of having 120 repos for single tool. It makes things complicated for everybody:

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [qpid] [zmq] [RabbitMQ] [oslo] Pending deprecation of driver(s).

2015-06-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ken Giusti's message of 2015-06-19 08:01:46 -0700: On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 2:15 AM Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote: On 18/06/15 16:37 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-06-18 12:47:21 -0700: Hello! I know there's been a lot of

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [qpid] [zmq] [RabbitMQ] [oslo] Pending deprecation of driver(s).

2015-06-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2015-06-18 23:14:49 -0700: On 18/06/15 16:37 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-06-18 12:47:21 -0700: Hello! I know there's been a lot of churn and misunderstanding over the recent devstack changes, so I wanted to

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.messaging][zeromq] Next step

2015-06-19 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alec Hothan (ahothan)'s message of 2015-06-19 17:18:41 -0700: Do we have a good understanding of what is expected of zmq wrt rabbitMQ? Like in what part of the bell curve or use cases would you see it? Or indirectly, where do we see RabbitMQ lacking today that maybe ZMQ could

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] FYI - dropping non RabbitMQ support in devstack

2015-06-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-06-18 07:09:56 -0700: On 06/18/2015 09:54 AM, ozamiatin wrote: Hi Sean, Thanks a lot for the plugin! I was a little bit confused with a commit message and dropping of drivers support. It turns really not so hard to test zeromq driver with

[openstack-dev] [all] [qpid] [zmq] [RabbitMQ] [oslo] Pending deprecation of driver(s).

2015-06-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Hello! I know there's been a lot of churn and misunderstanding over the recent devstack changes, so I wanted to make it clear where we're going with messaging drivers now that the policy [1] was approved. According to the policy, drivers need to have at least 60% unit test coverage, and an

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] DevStack switching from MySQL-python to PyMySQL

2015-06-18 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-06-18 12:53:16 -0700: On 06/18/2015 03:47 PM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/18/15 1:28 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: It's not only neutron, I saw some pymysql failures in nova the other day for 'too many connections' or some such related error.

Re: [openstack-dev] M Naming Poll ended - results still need to clear legal

2015-06-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Clay Gerrard's message of 2015-06-22 10:30:49 -0700: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_4983776e190c8dbc how is the top pick not the author of the book of five rings [1] Agreed. I don't think people fully appreciated the reputation of Mr. Musashi. ;)

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [qpid] [zmq] [RabbitMQ] [oslo] Pending deprecation of driver(s).

2015-06-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Adam Young's message of 2015-06-22 11:26:54 -0700: On 06/20/2015 10:28 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: As promissed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193804/ Cheers, You can't deprecate a driver without providing a viable alternative. Right now, QPID is the only driver that

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Splitting out dib-core

2015-06-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Gregory Haynes's message of 2015-06-26 08:17:36 -0700: Hello TripleOers, At the last mid-cycle we briefly discussed whether we should have separate groups for tripleo and DIB core and decided it wasn't necessary. I would like to revisit that topic. It seems clear to me that

Re: [openstack-dev] Why doesn't Swift cache object data?

2015-06-26 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from 杨苏立 Yang Su Li's message of 2015-06-25 17:35:18 -0700: Thanks a lot for your answer. I guess that is an excellent answer on why does swift explicitly disable object data caching at the page cache level. But my question is a bit different Why doesn't swift use memcached to cache

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] FYI - dropping non RabbitMQ support in devstack

2015-06-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-06-16 06:22:23 -0700: FYI, One of the things that came out of the summit for Devstack plans going forward is to trim it back to something more opinionated and remove a bunch of low use optionality in the process. One of those branches to be

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] FYI - dropping non RabbitMQ support in devstack

2015-06-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Kyle Mestery's message of 2015-06-17 13:54:06 -0700: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com wrote: Excerpts from Dan Smith's message of 2015-06-17 13:16:46 -0700: Every change like this makes it harder for newcomers to participate. Frankly,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] FYI - dropping non RabbitMQ support in devstack

2015-06-17 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-06-16 10:16:34 -0700: On 06/16/2015 12:49 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-06-16 06:22:23 -0700: FYI, One of the things that came out of the summit for Devstack plans going forward is to trim it back

Re: [openstack-dev] [Magnum] TLS Support in Magnum

2015-06-16 Thread Clint Byrum
for guest agents to make the connection, not the controller connect to the guest agents. No floating ips, security group rules or special networks are needed then. Thanks, Kevin From: Clint Byrum Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 6:10:27 PM To: openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.messaging][zeromq] Next step

2015-06-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alec Hothan (ahothan)'s message of 2015-06-12 13:41:17 -0700: On 6/1/15, 5:03 PM, Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com wrote: fyi, the spec for zeromq driver in oslo.messaging is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187338/1/specs/liberty/zmq-patterns-usage .rst,unified --

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Issue with pymysql

2015-06-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2015-06-12 03:47:02 -0700: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015, Joe Gordon wrote: Glad to see us catch these issues early. Yes! CI is doing exactly the job it is supposed to be doing here. It is finding bugs in code. When that happens we should fix the bugs, not

Re: [openstack-dev] [Magnum] TLS Support in Magnum

2015-06-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2015-06-15 15:59:18 -0700: No, I was confused by your statement: When we create a bay, we have an ssh keypair that we use to inject the ssh public key onto the nova instances we create. It sounded like you were using that keypair to inject a public

Re: [openstack-dev] [api][nova][ironic] Microversion API HTTP header

2015-06-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2015-06-15 10:07:39 -0700: It has come to my attention in [1] that the microversion spec for Nova [2] and Ironic [3] have used the project name -- i.e. Nova and Ironic -- instead of the name of the API -- i.e. OpenStack Compute and OpenStack Bare Metal

Re: [openstack-dev] [oslo.messaging][zeromq] Next step

2015-06-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Alec Hothan (ahothan)'s message of 2015-06-15 11:45:53 -0700: On 6/12/15, 3:55 PM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: I think you missed it is not tested in the gate as a root cause for some of the ambiguity. Anecdotes and bug reports are super important for knowing

Re: [openstack-dev] [api][nova][ironic] Microversion API HTTP header

2015-06-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2015-06-15 14:00:43 -0700: On 06/15/2015 04:50 PM, Jim Rollenhagen wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 01:07:39PM -0400, Jay Pipes wrote: It has come to my attention in [1] that the microversion spec for Nova [2] and Ironic [3] have used the project name --

Re: [openstack-dev] Redis as Messaging System

2015-05-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Ryan Brown's message of 2015-05-26 05:48:14 -0700: Zaqar provides an option to use Redis as a backend, and Zaqar provides pubsub messaging. Please please please do not mistake under-the-cloud messaging, which oslo.messaging is intended to facilitate, for user-facing messaging,

[openstack-dev] [infra] A place for gate job contacts?

2015-05-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Hi! While discussing the proposed oslo.messaging driver policy[1] at the summit, we had a question about where we should document who the appropriate respondents are for any particular gate job. Do we already have this hidden somewhere, or would it make sense to maybe add this as something in

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Puppet] Package updates strategy

2015-05-28 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2015-05-28 11:24:33 -0700: On 28/05/15 03:35, Jan Provaznik wrote: On 05/28/2015 01:10 AM, Steve Baker wrote: On 28/05/15 10:54, Richard Raseley wrote: Zane Bitter wrote: Steve is working on a patch to allow package-based updates of overcloud

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar][all] Zaqar will stay... Lots of work ahead

2015-05-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2015-05-27 10:40:48 -0700: On 27/05/15 12:42, Clint Byrum wrote: == Crazy idea section == One thing I never had a chance to discuss with any of the Zaqar devs that I would find interesting is an email-only backend for Zaqar. Basically make Zaqar

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar][all] Zaqar will stay... Lots of work ahead

2015-05-27 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2015-05-26 01:28:06 -0700: Greetings, TL;DR: Thanks everyone for your feedback. Based on the discussed plans at the summit - I'll be writing more about these later - Zaqar will stick around and play its role in the community. Summit Summary

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] [qa] A place for gate job contacts?

2015-05-29 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Anita Kuno's message of 2015-05-29 10:51:35 -0700: On 05/29/2015 10:15 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Anita Kuno's message of 2015-05-28 17:35:06 -0400: On 05/28/2015 04:46 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-05-28 13:30:44 -0700 (-0700), Clint Byrum wrote: [...] Do

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