, and thank you for your wisdom in recognizing this. You've
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> I'd rather standardize and rename -alt to -2 (i.e. redirect -alt to -2
> on IRC, and bulk-change all meetings YAML from -alt to -2).
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Evolution is also not without pain; without such stress evolution simply
doesn’t happen. The discussion is about one such pain point, and how to best
address it so as to eliminate the pain with the minimal amount of impact on the
community.
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> What other projects would make sense for you to host mid-cycles for
> should the opportunity arise? I can keep my ears open.
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formats [0] until things can be migrated to the recommended format.
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> OpenStack.
Agreed. I don't think that everything that may be useful to consumers
of OpenStack has to be part of OpenStack, either.
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gt; From a QA perspective in gate, if we have to rely on a commercial
>> solution
> (even if donated) to test it, then that's bad.
Wasn't that the exact argument regarding needing to be able to boot a
Linux image? We can't reasonably test it without getting into
payment/licensing is
ho were
using 'tenant' in their existing code, there was much discussion over
which made the most sense. And since RAX pretty much footed the entire
bill for those early days, guess which prevailed. :)
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> limitation on our possible solutions to a fair few problems (notably
> scheduling).
Some chatter is necessary to assure system health, but yeah, this should
be considered a bug. I'm sure that if a RabbitMQ expert were able to
observe this, the response would be &
le together to discuss an issue, and then moving them
again to form a different group. There also weren't many separate
teams then, so it was pretty much everyone in a few rooms.
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grown to be so huge, the flight savings
have been overwhelmed by the hotel costs in most cases. Making the
events smaller, like the midcycles, can allow us to hold them in much
smaller venues with much less expensive hotels.
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the people leading the commitment to OpenStack (*cough*IBM*cough*). In
other words, travel to events is not counted as part of the business
support for OpenStack. So the issue doesn't only affect small companies
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If you now have a separate summit/meeting for the developers away from
the big splashy business event, I'm wondering if we might make it
harder for many developers to get funded for this travel.
That said, I'm 100% behind the idea. I go to the summits to discuss
code, not to watch PowerPoint sl
; I gratefully accept this challenge.
I work for such a company, too, and I suspect that the layers of
management that need such convincing are much further removed in my
case. You and I, though, might have a little more clout than, let's
say, someone just starting out in OpenStack.
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> still have sprints to get specific things completed, but as recent
> experiments have shown, holding them virtually is an option.
I had to miss the recent Nova midcycle, and I felt like I was
completely out of the loop afterwards. So anything that can maximize
the ability to part
t also having to get everything that was also introduced in
2.X-1 and before. The benefit, of course, is that the user will have
changed something explicitly before getting the new behavior, and at
least has a chance of figuring it out.
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was resisted by several large operators, due to overhead. This
proposal will have to store that and more in memory.
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same hardware, it makes sense. But yeah, for Keystone (and most other
services in OpenStack), project is clearer, IMO.
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I could see a similar effort for oslo.log (and maybe other oslo
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You should probably follow the guidelines set up by the API Working
Group: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/headers.html
In particular, having a header that does just one thing goes against the
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> Looking forward to arriving in Austin so that I can buy you a beer, Amrith,
> and have a high-bandwidth conversation about how you're wrong. :P
Beer is a great addition to any conversation!
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On Apr 23, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Jay Pipes wrote:
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> think it's amusing that Redis was Nova's original "database". :)
>
> I "fondly" remember having to work with the original Redis store interface
> for complex data. Oh the fun that was had.
I think my first commits to
On Apr 23, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Mike Bayer wrote:
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> Facebook and LinkedIn have built distributed database systems based on MySQL
> at profoundly massive scales. Openstack's problem I'm going to guess isn't as
> hard as that.
That's always the problem with citing
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>
> NO, we should paint it yellow!
Not even close to bikeshedding. C extensions live all throughout the Python
world, and are not the equivalent of a completely new language to the
ecosystem. And the point was to simply speed up
ecated_for_removal=True
Also note that while the option isn't deprecated, some allowable formats
are being deprecated; those also have a note to that effect, as in:
https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/scheduler.py#L258-L260
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happen as fast as when you go it alone. It’s a trade-off: the needs of the
vendor vs. the health of the community.
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On Jul 27, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Chris Friesen <chris.frie...@windriver.com> wrote:
> Maybe it boils down to the definition of "gratuitous" competition.
Precisely, which is why we have humans and not computer algorithms to decide
these t
stpone supporting that until the placement API
was available. I think that providing a subset of all resource providers to the
placement API to limit the potential results is an important addition,
especially with the eventual thought of having this be a generic placement API
with the rest of the resource provider design, as having many, many classes all
of which represent identical hardware seems backwards.
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> and rely on that api being consistent.
>
> I'm positive I'm not the only operator doing this either. This sounds like a
> consumable api to me.
I don’t think that an API has to be RESTful to be considered an interface for
e patch yet, but in general correcting an error on the
server doesn’t require a microversion, unless the response to the user would
change. From your description it doesn’t sound like that is the case.
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heir activities. They have
> the right intent but how to measure intent objectively? That would be my
> major concern.
This is exactly the sort of reason why an automatic expulsion is not being
proposed, but rather a review by
cts that are largely single-vendor are approved for the big tent with
the understanding that they need to diversify. I believe that it is these types
of projects that we are discussing.
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dard way of representing *qualitative*
aspects of resources. So while we are not actively trying to make this a
placement engine for all OpenStack services yet, the goal is to not be
Nova-specific, so that once we have this up and running, we can offer it as a
general placement service for any o
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simple tags, but nested data structures in string form.
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times yes to attributes! There can be several standards, such as ‘compute’ or
‘networking’ that we use for some basic cross-cloud compatibility, but making
them flexible is a must for adoption.
I can update the qualitative request spec to add Resource
(Barbican and Zaqar are the obvious
ones here) have matured to the point where it makes sense to standardize on
them. They are mature, and no other projects have come along to challenge their
designs. At some point, it makes se
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That was where we left the discussion in Austin, so that was my assumption.
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working well, seeing what would be needed to add it would be much easier, and
we could make a clearer determination as to whether this is fe
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older microversions. So in this case, we are creating a new microversion that
simply signals “nova-network is no longer here”. It doesn’t act like the
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Due to the US Independence Day holiday, we will be skipping the Nova Scheduler
subteam meeting on this upcoming Monday, July 4. The next meeting will be July
11 at 1400 UTC [0].
[0] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20160711T14
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Congratulations!
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t, you must also ensure you update the
configuration, to stop using any deprecated features or options, and perform
any required work to transition to alternative features.”
So yes, "updating your configuration” is an expected ac
Just to let everyone know - we’ve been given our own room for the PTG: Georgia
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> projects. Basically, the market would decide on the "optimal"
> solution. It's a hard message to hear, but that seems to be what
> is happening.
This.
We got much better at adding new things to OpenStack. We need to get better at
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> at letting go of old things.
On re-reading that, it doesn’t sound like what I intended. By “old” I mean
things that no longer have e
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mission. The ‘size’ qualifier relates to everything from massive clouds like
CERN and Walmart down to small private clouds. It doesn’t mean ‘any sort of
computing platform’; the focus is clear tha
completely altered.
> * If the latter, alter it.
I took Jay’s stuff in 363209 and added back the logic to delete existing
allocations. The tests are all passing for me locally, so now we just have to
verify that this is indeed the behavior
On Sep 13, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Terry Wilson <twil...@redhat.com> wrote:
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> memory consumption matters. Being wasteful over a purely aesthetic few
> extra characters of code is silly.
import thi
eved, and which is,
> in my opinion, not desirable at this stage.
Though the two terms looks and sound somewhat similar, “project” and “product”
could not be more dissimilar.
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course this seems a bit self-serving, especially to an outsider who might not
know me very well. But I’m sure that Thierry and Doug and others, who have
known me for many years, understand my intent: to keep improving OpenStack.
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conversations aren’t happening when the people who are voting are most likely
to be paying attention, then it’s just a small group talking amongst
themselves. And those elected may not represent the v
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any argument there), then we should treat that part of the request as being as
fundamental as a flavor. We need to make the scheduler smarter so that it
doesn’t rely on flavor as being the only source of truth.
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e sense to have a brief period between
> nomination deadline, and poll creation, maybe 1 week, to spark this
> debate and get the community engaged with the candidates. This goes for
> all of the elections.
Exactly. Most people vote when they get their email ballot, s
tion.
So yes, of course we’re going to drive off those who want to work with the
coolest and latest stuff. This isn’t “exciting” work in that sense of the word.
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> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Jay Pipes <jaypi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 10/17/2016 11:14 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
>> Now that we’re starting to model some more complex resources, it seems that
>> some of the original design decisions may have been mistaken. One
hod is
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other methods, the latest version should not have a maximum specified.
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better than nin.
It is on the agenda for the API working group’s meeting tomorrow (Thursday) at
1600 UTC in #openstack-meeting-3
(http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20161117T16)
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> That said, what about something like
>
> state=!in:x,y,z
>
> This just makes me nervous that we're beginning to define our own query
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pen it up a month before the election, and
close it a week before. Or open it for two days, and close it a week before. I
don’t understand why, other than procrastination, we need such a long period.
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