Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Using Job Queues for timeout ops

2014-11-13 Thread Zane Bitter
On 13/11/14 09:58, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-11-13 05:54:03 -0800: On 13/11/14 03:29, Murugan, Visnusaran wrote: Hi all, Convergence-POC distributes stack operations by sending resource actions over RPC for any heat-engine to execute. Entire stack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Conditionals, was: New function: first_nonnull

2014-11-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 12/11/14 06:33, Alexis Lee wrote: I would much prefer to resurrect the previous proposal for adding conditionals and then see what is still missing than to just dive straight in to embedding a whole other language in HOT. Do you mean

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Conditionals, was: New function: first_nonnull

2014-11-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 12/11/14 06:48, Angus Salkeld wrote: (it's nice that there would be a consistent user experience between these projects -mistral/heat/murano). It's actually potentially horrible, because you introduce potential quoting issues when you embed mistral workbooks in Heat templates or pass Heat

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Heat Resource Plugin for third party storage

2014-11-12 Thread Zane Bitter
The developer mailing list is not for usage questions. Please ask this on ask.openstack.org - I'm sure a lot of people will be interested in the answer and we want it searchable for them in future. Feel free to ping me with a link when you've posted it. cheers, Zane. On 12/11/14 06:00,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Conditionals, was: New function: first_nonnull

2014-11-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 12/11/14 10:10, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-11-11 13:06:17 -0800: On 11/11/14 13:34, Ryan Brown wrote: I am strongly against allowing arbitrary Javascript functions for complexity reasons. It's already difficult enough to get meaningful errors when you

Re: [openstack-dev] TC election by the numbers

2014-11-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 10/11/14 12:09, Eoghan Glynn wrote: 2.*weaken the continuity guarantee* - by un-staggering the terms, so that all seats are contested at each election. This is probably not feasible. Interesting, why do you think it wouldn't be feasible? I was under the impression that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Conditionals, was: New function: first_nonnull

2014-11-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 10/11/14 12:34, Alexis Lee wrote: Zane Bitter said on Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 12:35:09AM +0100: Crazy thought: why not just implement conditionals? We had a proto-spec for them started at one point... I didn't know that was on the table :) How about we support YAQL expressions? https

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Conditionals, was: New function: first_nonnull

2014-11-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/11/14 13:34, Ryan Brown wrote: I am strongly against allowing arbitrary Javascript functions for complexity reasons. It's already difficult enough to get meaningful errors when you up your YAML syntax. Agreed, and FWIW literally everyone that Clint has pitched the JS idea to

Re: [openstack-dev] TC election by the numbers

2014-11-10 Thread Zane Bitter
On 01/11/14 16:31, Eoghan Glynn wrote: +1 to this, with a term limit. Notable that the Debian TC has been discussing term limits for months now, and since DebConf they seem to have gotten much closer to a concrete proposal[1] in the last week or so. Could be worth watching for ideas on how

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] New function: first_nonnull

2014-11-06 Thread Zane Bitter
On 06/11/14 20:44, Steven Hardy wrote: On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 02:46:43PM +, Lee, Alexis wrote: I'm considering adding a function which takes a list and returns the first non-null, non-empty value in that list. So you could do EG: some_thing: config:

Re: [openstack-dev] TC election by the numbers

2014-10-30 Thread Zane Bitter
On 30/10/14 06:22, Eoghan Glynn wrote: IIRC, there is no method for removing foundation members. So there are likely a number of people listed who have moved on to other activities and are no longer involved with OpenStack. I'd actually be quite interested to see the turnout numbers with

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Convergence prototyping

2014-10-23 Thread Zane Bitter
Hi folks, I've been looking at the convergence stuff, and become a bit concerned that we're more or less flying blind (or at least I have been) in trying to figure out the design, and also that some of the first implementation efforts seem to be around the stuff that is _most_ expensive to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Combination of Heat ResourceGroup(index) with Fn::Select doesnt work ?

2014-10-21 Thread Zane Bitter
On 21/10/14 14:05, Subrahmanyam Ongole wrote: Hi We are in fact using OS::Neutron::PoolMember resource. I guess ResourceGroup is the only iterative construct in Heat. Is the use case supported today? I think this is more than a simple usage question, hence posting it here. Thank you. Regards

[openstack-dev] TC candidacy

2014-10-07 Thread Zane Bitter
Greetings OpenStackers, I would like to announce my candidacy for the OpenStack Technical Committee. I have worked closely with the TC since around the time that Heat was incubated, two years ago. I have been a regular participant in TC meetings throughout the Juno cycle as the Heat PTL, so I

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][docs][tc] How to scale Documentation

2014-10-06 Thread Zane Bitter
On 06/10/14 06:07, Thierry Carrez wrote: Jay Pipes wrote: On 10/03/2014 09:18 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: The prospect of a much larger tent with many more projects in OpenStack-proper shines a spotlight on the scalability of the Docs team, and in particular how they decide which projects

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Nominating Pavlo Shchelokovskyy for heat-core

2014-10-06 Thread Zane Bitter
I'd like to propose that we add Pavlo Shchelokovskyy to the heat-core team. Pavlo has been a consistently active member of the Heat community - he's a regular participant in IRC and at meetings, has been making plenty of good commits[1] and maintains a very respectable review rate[2] with

[openstack-dev] [all][docs][tc] How to scale Documentation

2014-10-03 Thread Zane Bitter
Amidst all the discussion about layers and tents there has been this lurking issue about Docs and their need to prioritise work that we haven't really done a deep dive on yet. I'd like to start that discussion by summarising my understanding of the situation, and hopefully Anne and others can

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] OpenStack Heat template and CoreOS...

2014-10-02 Thread Zane Bitter
Hi Steve, Could you post this question on ask.openstack.org? The -dev mailing list is not for usage questions; ask.openstack is a much better place to ensure that others with the same question will benefit from the answer. FWIW I'd be really surprised if the version of cloud-init in CoreOS is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Introducing Re-Heat

2014-10-02 Thread Zane Bitter
Dredging up this thread because I was reminded of it today by a question on ask.openstack.org. On 18/07/14 09:19, Ayenson, Michael D. wrote: Hello All, My name is Mika Ayenson and I have to privilege to intern at Johns Hopkins - Applied Physics Lab. I'm really excited to release the latest

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tripleo] New Project - Kolla: Deploy and Manage OpenStack using Kubernetes and Docker

2014-09-26 Thread Zane Bitter
On 26/09/14 00:01, Angus Lees wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 04:01:38 PM Fox, Kevin M wrote: Doesn't nova with a docker driver and heat autoscaling handle case 2 and 3 for control jobs? Has anyone tried yet? For reference, the cases were: - Something to deploy the code (docker / distro packages

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Stack Abandon/Adopt in Juno

2014-09-26 Thread Zane Bitter
At the time of the Icehouse release, we realised that the just-merged stack abandon/adopt features were still in a very flaky state. A bunch of bugs were opened and in the release notes we called this out as a 'preview' feature, not fully supported. Fast-forward 6 months and we still have a

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 25/09/14 15:12, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 18/09/14 14:53, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Question regarding Stack updates and templates

2014-09-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/09/14 11:04, Anant Patil wrote: Hi, In convergence, we discuss about having concurrent updates to a stack. I wanted to know if it is safe to assume that the an update will be a super set of it's previous updates. Understanding this is critical to arrive at implementation of concurrent

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 23/09/14 17:59, Joe Gordon wrote: Zaqar is aiming for low latency per message, SQS doesn't appear to be. I've seen no evidence that Zaqar is actually aiming for that. There are waaay lower-latency ways to implement messaging if you don't care about durability (you wouldn't do

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 23/09/14 19:29, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 22/09/14 17:06, Joe Gordon wrote: If 50,000 messages per second doesn't count as small-to-moderate then Zaqar does not fulfill a major SQS use case. It's not a drop

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] stack-update with existing parameters

2014-09-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 24/09/14 08:47, Tomas Sedovic wrote: On 24/09/14 13:50, Dimitri Mazmanov wrote: TL;DR Is there any reason why stack-update doesn¹t reuse the existing parameters when I extend my stack definition with a resource that uses them? Hey Dimitri, There is an open bug for this feature:

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 18/09/14 14:53, Monty Taylor wrote: Hey all, I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit. http://inaugust.com/post/108 Thanks Monty, I think there are some very interesting ideas in

Re: [openstack-dev] Thoughts on OpenStack Layers and a Big Tent model

2014-09-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 19/09/14 22:37, Monty Taylor wrote: I think we can do what you're saying and generalize a little bit. What if we declared programs, as needed, when we think there is a need to pick a winner. (I think we can all agree that early winner picking is an unintended but very real side effect of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-23 Thread Zane Bitter
On 23/09/14 08:58, Flavio Percoco wrote: I believe the guarantee is still useful and it currently does not represent an issue for the service nor the user. 2 things could happen to FIFO in the future: 1. It's made optional and we allow users to opt-in in a per flavor basis. (I personally don't

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-23 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/09/14 22:04, Joe Gordon wrote: To me this is less about valid or invalid choices. The Zaqar team is comparing Zaqar to SQS, but after digging into the two of them, zaqar barely looks like SQS. Zaqar doesn't guarantee what IMHO is the most important parts of SQS: the message will be

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Convergence: Backing up template instead of stack

2014-09-23 Thread Zane Bitter
On 23/09/14 09:44, Anant Patil wrote: On 23-Sep-14 09:42, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Angus Salkeld's message of 2014-09-22 20:15:43 -0700: On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Anant Patil anant.pa...@hp.com wrote: Hi, One of the steps in the direction of convergence is to enable Heat

Re: [openstack-dev] Oslo messaging vs zaqar

2014-09-22 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/09/14 10:40, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: So On 22/09/2014 10:01 PM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 20/09/14 04:17, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: Hi all, I'm just trying to understand the messaging strategy in openstack.It seems we have at least 2 messaging layers. Oslo.messaging

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-22 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/09/14 10:11, Gordon Sim wrote: On 09/19/2014 09:13 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: SQS offers very, very limited guarantees, and it's clear that the reason for that is to make it massively, massively scalable in the way that e.g. S3 is scalable while also remaining comparably durable (S3

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar and SQS Properties of Distributed Queues

2014-09-19 Thread Zane Bitter
On 18/09/14 10:55, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 09/18/2014 04:24 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Great job highlighting what our friends over at Amazon are doing. It's clear from these snippets, and a few other pieces of documentation for SQS I've read, that the Amazon team approached SQS from a _massive_

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat][Zaqar] Integration plan moving forward

2014-09-19 Thread Zane Bitter
On 19/09/14 14:34, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-19 02:37:08 -0700: On 09/18/2014 11:51 AM, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 18/09/2014 7:11 PM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com mailto:fla...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, If I recall correctly, Heat was

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Request for python-heatclient project to adopt heat-translator

2014-09-19 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/09/14 05:52, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi Sahdev, On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:52:30AM -0400, Sahdev P Zala wrote: Hello guys, As you know, the heat-translator project was started early this year with an aim to create a tool to translate non-Heat templates to HOT. It is a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] naming of provider template for docs

2014-09-19 Thread Zane Bitter
On 19/09/14 01:10, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Angus Salkeld asalk...@mirantis.com wrote on 09/18/2014 09:33:56 PM: Hi I am trying to add some docs to openstack-manuals hot_guide about using provider templates : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121741/ Mike has suggested we use a different

Re: [openstack-dev] Heat dependency visualisation

2014-09-16 Thread Zane Bitter
On 16/09/14 02:49, Qiming Teng wrote: Nice. What would be even nicer is a change to python-heatclient so that heat resource-list has an option to output in dotfile format. +1. It would also be interesting to check if the dependency analysis is capable of exploding a resource-group. Say I

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo][heat][ironic] Heat Ironic resources and ready state orchestration

2014-09-16 Thread Zane Bitter
On 16/09/14 13:56, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: For example, today, I've been looking at the steps required for driving autodiscovery: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ironic-PoCDiscovery-Juno Driving this process looks a

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo][heat][ironic] Heat Ironic resources and ready state orchestration

2014-09-16 Thread Zane Bitter
On 16/09/14 13:54, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Sep 15, 2014 8:20 AM, James Slaglejames.sla...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Steven Hardysha...@redhat.com wrote: The initial assumption is that there is some discovery step (either automatic or static generation of

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo][heat][ironic] Heat Ironic resources and ready state orchestration

2014-09-16 Thread Zane Bitter
On 16/09/14 15:24, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 16/09/14 13:56, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: For example, today, I've been looking at the steps

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Core team tidy-up

2014-09-15 Thread Zane Bitter
From time to time we have people drift away from core reviewing activity on Heat for the long term due to changing employers, changing roles or just changing priorities. It's time for a bit of a clean-up, so I have removed Liang Chen and Steve Dake from the heat-core group. We thank them for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Defining what is a SupportStatus version

2014-09-15 Thread Zane Bitter
On 14/09/14 11:09, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Gauvain Pocentek's message of 2014-09-04 22:29:05 -0700: Hi, A bit of background: I'm working on the publication of the HOT resources reference on docs.openstack.org. This book is mostly autogenerated from the heat source code, using the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo][heat][ironic] Heat Ironic resources and ready state orchestration

2014-09-15 Thread Zane Bitter
On 15/09/14 12:00, Steven Hardy wrote: For example, today, I've been looking at the steps required for driving autodiscovery: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ironic-PoCDiscovery-Juno Driving this process looks a lot like application orchestration: 1. Take some input (IPMI credentials and MAC

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Zaqar graduation (round 2) [was: Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting]

2014-09-15 Thread Zane Bitter
On 15/09/14 13:28, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-15 00:57:05 -0700: On 09/12/2014 07:13 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2014-09-12 02:16:42 -0700: Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-11

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Defining what is a SupportStatus version

2014-09-15 Thread Zane Bitter
On 15/09/14 16:55, Anne Gentle wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: On 14/09/14 11:09, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Gauvain Pocentek's message of 2014-09-04 22:29:05 -0700: Hi, A bit of background: I'm working on the publication of the HOT

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/09/14 19:05, Jay Pipes wrote: On 09/11/2014 04:09 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: Swift is the current exception here, but one could argue, and people have[2], that Swift is also the only project that actually conforms to our stated design tenets for OpenStack. I'd struggle to tell the Zaqar folks

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 12/09/14 04:50, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: However, Zaqar also supports the Pub-Sub model of messaging. I believe, but would like Flavio to confirm, that this is what is meant when the Zaqar team say that Zaqar is about messaging in general and not just

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit planning

2014-09-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 12/09/14 07:37, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, I visited the Paris Design Summit space on Monday and confirmed that it should be possible to split it in a way that would allow to have per-program contributors meetups on the Friday. The schedule would go as follows: Tuesday:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 04/09/14 08:14, Sean Dague wrote: I've been one of the consistent voices concerned about a hard requirement on adding NoSQL into the mix. So I'll explain that thinking a bit more. I feel like when the TC makes an integration decision previously this has been about evaluating the project

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/09/14 15:03, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/09/14 19:56, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Samuel Merritt's message of 2014-09-09 16:12:09 -0700: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][all][Heat] Packaging of functional tests

2014-09-09 Thread Zane Bitter
On 04/09/14 10:45, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/29/2014 05:15 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 29/08/14 14:27, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/26/2014 10:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: Steve Baker has started the process of moving Heat tests out of the Tempest repository and into the Heat repository, and we're looking

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Should docker plugin remove containers on delete?

2014-09-08 Thread Zane Bitter
On 01/09/14 19:18, Steve Baker wrote: On 02/09/14 05:58, Lars Kellogg-Stedman wrote: Hello all, I recently submitted this change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118190/ This causes the Docker plugin to *remove* containers on delete, rather than simply *stopping* them. When creating

Re: [openstack-dev] doubling our core review bandwidth

2014-09-08 Thread Zane Bitter
On 07/09/14 23:43, Morgan Fainberg wrote: ## avoiding collaboration between bad actors The two core requirement means that it takes three people (proposer + 2 core) to collaborate on landing something inappropriate (whether its half baked, a misfeature, whatever). Thats only 50% harder than 2

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][all][Heat] Packaging of functional tests

2014-08-29 Thread Zane Bitter
On 29/08/14 14:27, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/26/2014 10:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: Steve Baker has started the process of moving Heat tests out of the Tempest repository and into the Heat repository, and we're looking for some guidance on how they should be packaged in a consistent way. Apparently

Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Horizon] [Heat] Merlin project (formerly known as cross-project UI library for Heat/Mistral/Murano/Solum) plans for PoC and more

2014-08-28 Thread Zane Bitter
On 28/08/14 13:31, Drago Rosson wrote: You are in luck, because I have just now open-sourced Barricade! Check it out [4]. [4]https://github.com/rackerlabs/barricade Please add a license (preferably ASL 2.0). Open Source doesn't mean the source is on GitHub, it means that the code is licensed

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Design Summit reloaded

2014-08-27 Thread Zane Bitter
On 27/08/14 09:55, Thierry Carrez wrote: Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 02:51:55PM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] I think this proposal makes the best use of our setup: discuss clear cross-project issues, address key specific topics which need face-to-face time and

Re: [openstack-dev] [qa][all][Heat] Packaging of functional tests

2014-08-27 Thread Zane Bitter
On 26/08/14 18:59, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2014-08-26 14:25:46 -0700: On 27/08/14 03:18, David Kranz wrote: On 08/26/2014 10:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: Steve Baker has started the process of moving Heat tests out of the Tempest repository and into the Heat

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Heat Juno Mid-cycle Meetup report

2014-08-27 Thread Zane Bitter
On 27/08/14 11:04, Steven Hardy wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:54:41PM +0530, Jyoti Ranjan wrote: I am little bit skeptical about using Swift for this use case because of its eventual consistency issue. I am not sure Swift cluster is good to be used for this kind of problem.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Marconi][Heat] Creating accounts in Keystone

2014-08-27 Thread Zane Bitter
APIs that particular accounts should be locked down. cheers, Zane. On 8/25/14, 9:49 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote: In particular, even if a service like Zaqar or Heat implements their own authorisation (e.g. the user creating a Zaqar queue supplies lists of the accounts

[openstack-dev] [qa][all][Heat] Packaging of functional tests

2014-08-26 Thread Zane Bitter
Steve Baker has started the process of moving Heat tests out of the Tempest repository and into the Heat repository, and we're looking for some guidance on how they should be packaged in a consistent way. Apparently there are a few projects already packaging functional tests in the package

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Marconi][Heat] Creating accounts in Keystone

2014-08-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 24/08/14 23:17, Adam Young wrote: On 08/23/2014 02:01 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: I don't know how Zaqar does its magic, but I'd love to see simple signed URLs rather than users/passwords. This would work for Heat as well. That way we only have to pass in a single predictably formatted string.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Heat Juno Mid-cycle Meetup report

2014-08-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 25/08/14 05:21, Thierry Carrez wrote: Zane Bitter wrote: [...] Here are a few of the conclusions: * Everyone wishes the Design Summit worked like this. The meetup seemed a lot more productive than the design summit ever is. It's really nice to be in a room small enough that you can talk

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/08/14 21:02, Anne Gentle wrote: I'm with Rocky on the anti-czar-as-a-word camp. We all like clever names to shed the corporate stigma but this word ain't it. Liaison or lead? +1. The only time you hear the word 'czar' in regular life (outside of references to pre-revolutionary Russia)

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Procedure for adding official projects

2014-08-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 25/08/14 06:48, Thierry Carrez wrote: Zane Bitter wrote: Over the past couple of release cycles, the TC has put together a fairly comprehensive checklist for projects entering into incubation with a view to being included in the integrated release. However, I'm not aware of anything

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Heat] Murano split dsicussion

2014-08-22 Thread Zane Bitter
On 21/08/14 04:30, Thierry Carrez wrote: Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: During last Atlanta summit there were couple discussions about Application Catalog and Application space projects in OpenStack. These cross-project discussions occurred as a result of Murano incubation request [1] during

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-22 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/08/14 08:33, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, We all know being a project PTL is an extremely busy job. That's because in our structure the PTL is responsible for almost everything in a project: - Release management contact - Work prioritization - Keeping bugs under control -

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [ptls] The Czar system, or how to scale PTLs

2014-08-22 Thread Zane Bitter
On 22/08/14 12:45, Dolph Mathews wrote: I'm all for getting a final decision, but a 'final' decision that has been imposed from outside rather than internalised by the participants is... rarely final. The expectation of a PTL isn't to stomp around and make final decisions, it's to step in when

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Heat Juno Mid-cycle Meetup report

2014-08-22 Thread Zane Bitter
We held the inaugural Heat mid-cycle meetup in Raleigh, North Carolina this week. There were a dozen folks in attendance, and I think everyone agreed that it was a very successful event. Notes from the meetup are on the Etherpad here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-juno-midcycle-meetup

[openstack-dev] [Keystone][Marconi][Heat] Creating accounts in Keystone

2014-08-22 Thread Zane Bitter
Here's an interesting fact about Zaqar (the project formerly known as Marconi) that I hadn't thought about before this week: it's probably the first OpenStack project where a major part of the API primarily faces software running in the cloud rather than facing the user. That is to say,

[openstack-dev] [tc] Procedure for adding official projects

2014-08-22 Thread Zane Bitter
Over the past couple of release cycles, the TC has put together a fairly comprehensive checklist for projects entering into incubation with a view to being included in the integrated release. However, I'm not aware of anything equivalent for projects that are becoming official (i.e. moving to

Re: [openstack-dev] Criteria for giving a -1 in a review

2014-08-21 Thread Zane Bitter
On 21/08/14 12:21, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 05:05:04PM +0100, Matthew Booth wrote: I would prefer that you didn't merge this. i.e. The project is better off without it. A bit off topic, but I've never liked this message that gets added as it think it sounds overly

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-21 Thread Zane Bitter
On 20/08/14 15:37, Jay Pipes wrote: For example, everyone agrees that Ceilometer has room for improvement, but any implication that the Ceilometer is not interested in or driving towards those improvements (because of NIH or whatever) is, as has been pointed out, grossly unfair to the Ceilometer

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-20 Thread Zane Bitter
On 19/08/14 10:37, Jay Pipes wrote: By graduating an incubated project into the integrated release, the Technical Committee is blessing the project as the OpenStack way to do some thing. If there are projects that are developed *in the OpenStack ecosystem* that are actively being developed to

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] The future of the integrated release

2014-08-20 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/08/14 05:24, Thierry Carrez wrote: So the idea that being (and remaining) in the integrated release should also be judged on technical merit is a slightly different effort. It's always been a factor in our choices, but like Devananda says, it's more difficult than just checking a number of

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] heat docker multi host scheduling support

2014-08-14 Thread Zane Bitter
On 14/08/14 03:21, Malawade, Abhijeet wrote: Hi all, I am trying to use heat to create docker containers. I have configured heat-docker plugin. I am also able to create stack using heat successfully. To start container on different host we need to provide 'docker_endpoint' in template. For

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][heat] a small experiment with Ansible in TripleO

2014-08-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/08/14 10:46, Clint Byrum wrote: Right now we're stuck with an update that just doesn't work. It isn't just about update-failure-recovery, which is coming along nicely, but it is also about the lack of signals to control rebuild, poor support for addressing machines as groups, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][heat] a small experiment with Ansible in TripleO

2014-08-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/08/14 14:49, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2014-08-11 11:40:07 -0700: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:20:50AM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-08-11 08:16:56 -0700: On 11/08/14 10:46, Clint Byrum wrote: Right now we're stuck

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Heat] reverting the HOT migration? // dealing with lockstep changes

2014-08-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/08/14 15:24, Dan Prince wrote: Hmmm. We blocked a good bit of changes to get these HOT templates in so I hate to see us revert them. Also, It isn't clear to me how much work it would be to fully support the non-HOT to HOT templates upgrade path. How much work is this? And is that something

Re: [openstack-dev] Which program for Rally

2014-08-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/08/14 16:21, Matthew Treinish wrote: I'm sorry, but the fact that the docs in the rally tree has a section for user testimonials [4] I feel speaks a lot about the intent of the project. What... does that even mean? They seem like just the type of guys that would help Keystone with

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Passing a list of ResourceGroup's attributes back to its members

2014-08-08 Thread Zane Bitter
On 08/08/14 11:07, Tomas Sedovic wrote: On 08/08/14 00:53, Zane Bitter wrote: On 07/08/14 13:22, Tomas Sedovic wrote: Hi all, I have a ResourceGroup which wraps a custom resource defined in another template: servers: type: OS::Heat::ResourceGroup properties

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Passing a list of ResourceGroup's attributes back to its members

2014-08-07 Thread Zane Bitter
On 07/08/14 13:22, Tomas Sedovic wrote: Hi all, I have a ResourceGroup which wraps a custom resource defined in another template: servers: type: OS::Heat::ResourceGroup properties: count: 10 resource_def: type: my_custom_server

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Too long stack delete method.

2014-08-06 Thread Zane Bitter
On 06/08/14 10:37, Anant Patil wrote: Hi, I see that the stack delete method is too long to comprehend easily without going to-and-fro few times. I think we should refactor it and move out the UpdateReplace related logic for backup stack to another method. We can also move the user credentials

Re: [openstack-dev] [git-review] Supporting development in local branches

2014-08-06 Thread Zane Bitter
On 04/08/14 19:18, Yuriy Taraday wrote: Hello, git-review users! I'd like to gather feedback on a feature I want to implement that might turn out useful for you. I like using Git for development. It allows me to keep track of current development process, it remembers everything I ever did with

Re: [openstack-dev] [git-review] Supporting development in local branches

2014-08-06 Thread Zane Bitter
On 06/08/14 18:12, Yuriy Taraday wrote: 2. since hacking takes tremendous amount of time (you're doing a Cool Feature (tm), nothing less) you need to update some code from master, so you're just merging master in to your branch (i.e. using Git as you'd use it normally); This is not how I'd

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Reminder - Heat mid-cycle meetup

2014-08-05 Thread Zane Bitter
This is your reminder that two weeks from now we'll be in the middle of the Heat mid-cycle meetup in Raleigh, NC. (The meetup runs from August 18-20.) If you plan to attend, make sure you are signed up on this list by the end of this week:

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Stack update and raw_template backup

2014-07-30 Thread Zane Bitter
On 30/07/14 02:21, Anant Patil wrote: On 28-Jul-14 22:37, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-07-28 07:25:24 -0700: On 26/07/14 00:04, Anant Patil wrote: When the stack is updated, a diff of updated template and current template can be stored to optimize database.

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Stack update and raw_template backup

2014-07-28 Thread Zane Bitter
On 26/07/14 00:04, Anant Patil wrote: Hi, When we do a stack update, I see that there are 2 copies of raw_template stored in database for each update. For n updates there are 2n + 1 entries of raw_template in database. Is this expected or is it a bug? When I dug more into it, I see that the

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Stack adopt after handle_create

2014-07-28 Thread Zane Bitter
On 18/07/14 06:02, Dimitri Mazmanov wrote: On 18/07/14 11:20, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 09:02:33AM +, Dimitri Mazmanov wrote: Hi, I¹m working on the following use-case: I have a stack template containing a custom resource - my_res - that upon

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat]Heat Db Model updates

2014-07-25 Thread Zane Bitter
On 25/07/14 13:50, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-07-24 12:09:39 -0700: On 17/07/14 07:51, Ryan Brown wrote: On 07/17/2014 03:33 AM, Steven Hardy wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:31:05AM -0400, Zane Bitter wrote: On 16/07/14 23:48, Manickam, Kanagaraj wrote

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat]Heat Db Model updates

2014-07-24 Thread Zane Bitter
On 17/07/14 07:51, Ryan Brown wrote: On 07/17/2014 03:33 AM, Steven Hardy wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:31:05AM -0400, Zane Bitter wrote: On 16/07/14 23:48, Manickam, Kanagaraj wrote: SNIP *Resource* Status action should be enum of predefined status +1 Rsrc_metadata - make full name

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat]Heat Db Model updates

2014-07-16 Thread Zane Bitter
On 16/07/14 23:48, Manickam, Kanagaraj wrote: I have gone thru the Heat Database and found the drawbacks in the existing model as listed below. Could you review and add anything missing here. Thanks. Heat Database model is having following drawbacks: 1.Duplicate information 2.Incomplete

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Extended get_attr support for ResourceGroup

2014-07-15 Thread Zane Bitter
On 14/07/14 12:21, Tomas Sedovic wrote: On 12/07/14 06:41, Zane Bitter wrote: On 11/07/14 09:37, Tomas Sedovic wrote: [snip] 3. List of IP addresses of all controllers: https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/blob/a7f2a2c928e9c78a18defb68feb40da8c7eb95d6/overcloud-source.yaml

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Integration gap analysis

2014-07-14 Thread Zane Bitter
The Technical Committee has been conducting an analysis of existing projects to ensure they comply with the same criteria to which newly incubated/graduated projects are being held. Heat is one of the last projects to undergo this analysis, so it will be happening soon - possibly as soon as

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [TripleO] Extended get_attr support for ResourceGroup

2014-07-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/07/14 09:37, Tomas Sedovic wrote: Hi all, This is a follow-up to Clint Byrum's suggestion to add the `Map` intrinsic function[0], Zane Bitter's response[1] and Randall Burt's addendum[2]. Sorry for bringing it up again, but I'd love to reach consensus on this. The summary of the previous

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] stevedore plugins (and wait conditions)

2014-07-10 Thread Zane Bitter
On 10/07/14 05:34, Steven Hardy wrote: The other approach is to set up a new container, owned by the user, every time. In that case, a provider selecting this implementation would need to make it clear to customers if they would be billed for a WaitCondition resource. I'd prefer to avoid

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] autoscaling across regions and availability zones

2014-07-10 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/07/14 22:38, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 07/01/2014 06:54:58 PM: On 01/07/14 16:23, Mike Spreitzer wrote: An AWS autoscaling group can span multiple availability zones in one region. What is the thinking about how to get analogous functionality

[openstack-dev] [Heat] Mid-cycle meetup planning - call for agenda items

2014-07-09 Thread Zane Bitter
Hello Heatists, I've updated the etherpad with some information about accommodation for the mid-cycle meetup: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-juno-midcycle-meetup For those signed up, now would be a good time to book if you haven't already. If you plan to attend but haven't signed up

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] stevedore plugins (and wait conditions)

2014-07-09 Thread Zane Bitter
On 08/07/14 17:13, Angus Salkeld wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/14 09:14, Zane Bitter wrote: I see that the new client plugins are loaded using stevedore, which is great and IMO absolutely the right tool for that job. Thanks to Angus Steve B for implementing

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