Re: [openstack-dev] [cyborg] [nova] Cyborg quotas

2018-05-21 Thread Blair Bethwaite
05/19/2018 05:58 PM, Blair Bethwaite wrote: > > G'day Jay, > > > > On 20 May 2018 at 08:37, Jay Pipes <jaypi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If it's not the VM or baremetal machine that is using the accelerator, > what > >> is? > > > > It will

Re: [openstack-dev] [cyborg] [nova] Cyborg quotas

2018-05-19 Thread Blair Bethwaite
G'day Jay, On 20 May 2018 at 08:37, Jay Pipes wrote: > If it's not the VM or baremetal machine that is using the accelerator, what > is? It will be a VM or BM, but I don't think accelerators should be tied to the life of a single instance if that isn't technically necessary

Re: [openstack-dev] [cyborg] [nova] Cyborg quotas

2018-05-19 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Relatively Cyborg-naive question here... I thought Cyborg was going to support a hot-plug model. So I certainly hope it is not the expectation that accelerators will be encoded into Nova flavors? That will severely limit its usefulness. On 19 May 2018 at 23:30, Jay Pipes

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] about rebuild instance booted from volume

2018-03-14 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Please do not default to deleting it, otherwise someone will eventually be back here asking why an irate user has just lost data. The better scenario is that the rebuild will fail (early - before impact to the running instance) with a quota error. Cheers, On Thu., 15 Mar. 2018, 00:46 Matt

Re: [openstack-dev] Mixed service version CI testing

2017-12-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
+1! It may also be worth testing a step where Nova & Neutron remain at N-1. On 20 December 2017 at 04:58, Matt Riedemann wrote: > During discussion in the TC channel today [1], we got talking about how > there is a perception that you must upgrade all of the services

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Switching to longer development cycles

2017-12-13 Thread Blair Bethwaite
The former - we're running Cells so only have a single region currently (except for Swift where we have multiple proxy endpoints around the country, all backed by a global cluster, but they have to be different regions to put them all in the service catalog). See

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Switching to longer development cycles

2017-12-13 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 14 December 2017 at 17:36, Clint Byrum wrote: > The batch size for "upgrade the whole cloud" is too big. Let's help our > users advance components one at a time, and then we won't have to worry > so much about doing the whole integrated release dance so often. Is there any

Re: [openstack-dev] Upstream LTS Releases

2017-11-14 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi all - please note this conversation has been split variously across -dev and -operators. One small observation from the discussion so far is that it seems as though there are two issues being discussed under the one banner: 1) maintain old releases for longer 2) do stable releases less

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] Upstream LTS Releases

2017-11-10 Thread Blair Bethwaite
I missed this session but the discussion strikes a chord as this is something I've been saying on my user survey every 6 months. On 11 November 2017 at 09:51, John Dickinson wrote: > What I heard from ops in the room is that they want (to start) one release a > year who's branch

Re: [openstack-dev] Supporting SSH host certificates

2017-10-05 Thread Blair Bethwaite
A related bug that hasn't seen any love for some time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1613199 On 6 October 2017 at 07:47, James Penick wrote: > Hey Pino, > > mriedem pointed me to the vendordata code [1] which shows some fields are > passed (such as project ID) and that

Re: [openstack-dev] vGPUs support for Nova - Implementation

2017-10-02 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 29 September 2017 at 22:26, Bob Ball wrote: > The concepts of PCI and SR-IOV are, of course, generic, but I think out of > principal we should avoid a hypervisor-specific integration for vGPU (indeed > Citrix has been clear from the beginning that the vGPU integration we

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Running large instances with CPU pinning and OOM

2017-09-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi Prema On 28 September 2017 at 07:10, Premysl Kouril wrote: > Hi, I work with Jakub (the op of this thread) and here is my two > cents: I think what is critical to realize is that KVM virtual > machines can have substantial memory overhead of up to 25% of memory, >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Running large instances with CPU pinning and OOM

2017-09-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 27 September 2017 at 23:19, Jakub Jursa wrote: > 'hw:cpu_policy=dedicated' (while NOT setting 'hw:numa_nodes') results in > libvirt pinning CPU in 'strict' memory mode > > (from libvirt xml for given instance) > ... > > > > > ... > > So yeah, the

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] Queens PTG: Thursday summary

2017-09-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 27 September 2017 at 22:40, Belmiro Moreira wrote: > In the past we used the tabs but latest Horizon versions use the visibility > column/search instead. > The issue is that we would like the old images to continue to be > discoverable by everyone and

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Running large instances with CPU pinning and OOM

2017-09-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Also CC-ing os-ops as someone else may have encountered this before and have further/better advice... On 27 September 2017 at 18:40, Blair Bethwaite <blair.bethwa...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 27 September 2017 at 18:14, Stephen Finucane <sfinu...@redhat.com> wrote: >> What yo

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Running large instances with CPU pinning and OOM

2017-09-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 27 September 2017 at 18:14, Stephen Finucane wrote: > What you're probably looking for is the 'reserved_host_memory_mb' option. This > defaults to 512 (at least in the latest master) so if you up this to 4192 or > similar you should resolve the issue. I don't see how this

Re: [openstack-dev] [glance] Queens PTG: Thursday summary

2017-09-26 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi Belmiro, On 20 Sep. 2017 7:58 pm, "Belmiro Moreira" < moreira.belmiro.email.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > Discovering the latest image release is hard. So we added an image property "recommended" > that we update when a new image release is available. Also, we patched horizon to show > the

Re: [openstack-dev] [ptg] Simplification in OpenStack

2017-09-26 Thread Blair Bethwaite
I've been watching this thread and I think we've already seen an excellent and uncontroversial suggestion towards simplifying initial deployment of OS - that was to push towards encoding Constellations into the deployment and/or config management projects. On 26 September 2017 at 15:44, Adam

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Should PUT /os-services be idempotent?

2017-07-12 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Please don't make these 400s - it should not be a client error to be unaware of the service status ahead of time. On 12 July 2017 at 11:18, Matt Riedemann wrote: > I'm looking for some broader input on something being discussed in this > change: > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Turning TC/UC workgroups into OpenStack SIGs

2017-07-05 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 27 June 2017 at 23:47, Sean Dague wrote: > I still think I've missed, or not grasped, during this thread how a SIG > functions differently than a WG, besides name. Both in theory and practice. I think for the most part SIG is just a more fitting moniker for some of these

Re: [openstack-dev] [User-committee] [all][tc] Turning TC/UC workgroups into OpenStack SIGs

2017-07-05 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 27 June 2017 at 23:47, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Setting up a common ML for common discussions (openstack-sigs) will > really help, even if there will be some pain setting them up and getting > the right readership to them :) It's worth a try! I agree it will probably

[openstack-dev] Fwd: [scientific] IRC Meeting (Tues 2100 UTC): Science app catalogues, network security of research computing on OpenStack

2017-06-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Resend for openstack-dev with proper list perms... -- Forwarded message -- From: Blair Bethwaite <blair.bethwa...@monash.edu> Date: 27 June 2017 at 23:24 Subject: [scientific] IRC Meeting (Tues 2100 UTC): Science app catalogues, network security of research computing on Ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [User-committee] [all][tc] Turning TC/UC workgroups into OpenStack SIGs

2017-06-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
There is a not insignificant degree of irony in the fact that this conversation has splintered so that anyone only reading openstack-operators and/or user-committee is missing 90% of the picture Maybe I just need a new ML management strategy. I'd like to add a +1 to Sean's suggestion about

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [dev] [doc] Operations Guide future

2017-06-22 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi Alex, On 2 June 2017 at 23:13, Alexandra Settle wrote: > O I like your thinking – I’m a pandoc fan, so, I’d be interested in > moving this along using any tools to make it easier. I can't realistically offer much time on this but I would be happy to help (ad-hoc)

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [dev] [doc] Operations Guide future

2017-06-01 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi Alex, Likewise for option 3. If I recall correctly from the summit session that was also the main preference in the room? On 2 June 2017 at 11:15, George Mihaiescu wrote: > +1 for option 3 > > > > On Jun 1, 2017, at 11:06, Alexandra Settle wrote:

[openstack-dev] [scientific] Scientific-WG sessions in Boston

2017-05-09 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hey all, Hopefully you've all noticed this by now, the timing of the WG sessions (lightening talks, meeting, BoF) has changed a little since first published. I've just updated the etherpad to reflect that now: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston Tues 11:15am - 11:55am -

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [scientific] Lightning talks on Scientific OpenStack

2017-05-09 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Morning all - Apologies for the shotgun email. But looks like we still have one or two spots available for lightening talks if anyone has work they want to share and/or discuss: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-Boston-Lightning Best regards, On 28 April 2017 at 06:19, George

[openstack-dev] [cyborg] Fwd: GPU passthrough success and failure records

2017-05-06 Thread Blair Bethwaite
-- Forwarded message -- From: Blair Bethwaite <blair.bethwa...@gmail.com> Date: 6 May 2017 at 17:55 Subject: GPU passthrough success and failure records To: "openstack-oper." <openstack-operat...@lists.openstack.org> Hi all, I've been (very slowly) working

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][blazar][scientific] advanced instance scheduling: reservations and preeemption - Forum session

2017-05-02 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 2 May 2017 at 05:50, Jay Pipes wrote: > Masahito Muroi is currently marked as the moderator, but I will indeed be > there and happy to assist Masahito in moderating, no problem. The more the merrier :-). There is a rather unfortunate clash here with the Scientific-WG BoF

[openstack-dev] [nova][blazar][scientific] advanced instance scheduling: reservations and preeemption - Forum session

2017-05-01 Thread Blair Bethwaite
h a temporal aspect to them (i.e. > allocations in the future). > > A separate system (hopefully Blazar) is needed to manage the time-based > associations to inventories of resources over a period in the future. > > Best, > -jay > >>> I'm not sure how the above i

Re: [openstack-dev] [scientific][nova][cyborg] Special Hardware Forum session

2017-05-01 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Thanks Rochelle. I encourage everyone to dump thoughts into the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-special-hardware - feel free to garden it as you go!) so we can have some chance of organising a coherent session. In particular it would be useful to know what is going to be most

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [nova][glance] Who needs multiple api_servers?

2017-05-01 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 29 April 2017 at 01:46, Mike Dorman wrote: > I don’t disagree with you that the client side choose-a-server-at-random is > not a great load balancer. (But isn’t this roughly the same thing that > oslo-messaging does when we give it a list of RMQ servers?) For us it’s

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [nova][glance] Who needs multiple api_servers?

2017-04-27 Thread Blair Bethwaite
We at Nectar are in the same boat as Mike. Our use-case is a little bit more about geo-distributed operations though - our Cells are in different States around the country, so the local glance-apis are particularly important for caching popular images close to the nova-computes. We consider these

[openstack-dev] [scientific][nova][cyborg] Special Hardware Forum session

2017-04-25 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi all, A quick FYI that this Forum session exists: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18803/special-hardware (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-special-hardware) is a thing this Forum. It would be great to see a good representation from both the Nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [MassivelyDistributed] bi-weekly meeting

2016-11-08 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Devil's advocate - what is "full enough"? Surely another channel is essentially free and having flexibility in available timing is of utmost importance? On 8 Nov 2016 5:37 PM, "Tony Breeds" wrote: > On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 05:52:43PM +0100, lebre.adr...@free.fr wrote: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [glance] Proposal for a mid-cycle virtual sync on operator issues

2016-05-31 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi Nikhil, 2000UTC might catch a few kiwis, but it's 6am everywhere on the east coast of Australia, and even earlier out west. 0800UTC, on the other hand, would be more sociable. On 26 May 2016 at 15:30, Nikhil Komawar wrote: > Thanks Sam. We purposefully chose that time

[openstack-dev] [nova][glance] why do image properties control per-instance settings?

2014-11-25 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi all, I've just been doing some user consultation and pondering a case for use of the Qemu Guest Agent in order to get quiesced backups. In doing so I found myself wondering why on earth I need to set an image property in Glance (hw_qemu_guest_agent) to toggle such a thing for any particular

Re: [openstack-dev] Quota management and enforcement across projects

2014-11-19 Thread Blair Bethwaite
On 20 November 2014 05:25, openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org wrote: -- Message: 24 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:57:17 -0500 From: Doug Hellmann d...@doughellmann.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

[openstack-dev] Ephemeral bases and block-migration

2013-10-06 Thread Blair Bethwaite
Hi there, We've been investigating some guest filesystem issues recently and noticed what looks like a slight inconsistency in base image handling in block-migration. We're on Grizzly from the associated Ubuntu cloud archive and using qcow on local storage. What we've noticed is that after