Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Question about Zuul's role in Solum

2014-02-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - From: Julien Vey vey.jul...@gmail.com Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:18 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Regarding language pack database schema

2014-02-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
I like option #2, simply because we should force ourselves to justify every attribute that is extracted as a queryable parameter, rather than making them queryable at the start. - Original Message - Hi Arati, I would vote for Option #2 as a short term solution. Probably later we

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Lang-pack working group meeting cancelled today due to freenode DOS, will be rescheduled

2014-02-03 Thread Clayton Coleman
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Lang-pack working group meeting cancelled today due to freenode DOS, will be rescheduled

2014-02-03 Thread Clayton Coleman
: Clayton Coleman ccole...@redhat.com Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:35am To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Lang-pack working group meeting cancelled today due to freenode DOS

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Third working group meeting on language packs today

2013-12-16 Thread Clayton Coleman
Hi, We will hold our third Git Integration working group meeting on IRC in #solum on Monday, December 16, 2013 1700 UTC / 0900 PST. Previous meeting notes are here [4] Agenda for today's meeting: * Administrative: * Topics: * Discuss lang-pack-examples spec for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Plan files and resources

2013-12-12 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:45 PM, Clayton Coleman ccole...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - Devdatta, On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:37 PM, devdatta kulkarni devdatta.kulka...@rackspace.com wrote: Hi Adrian, Thanks for creating https

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Plan files and resources

2013-12-11 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Devdatta, On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:37 PM, devdatta kulkarni devdatta.kulka...@rackspace.com wrote: Hi Adrian, Thanks for creating https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-demystified I am really excited to see the examples. Especially cool is how

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Second working group meeting on language packs today

2013-12-09 Thread Clayton Coleman
Hi, We will hold our second Git Integration working group meeting on IRC in #solum on Monday, December 9, 2013 1700 UTC / 0900 PST. Agenda for today's meeting: * Administrative: * Decide whether to continue this meeting at the same time in January * Topics:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Second working group meeting on language packs today

2013-12-09 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Hi, We will hold our second Git Integration working group meeting on IRC in #solum on Monday, December 9, 2013 1700 UTC / 0900 PST. Agenda for today's meeting: * Administrative: * Decide whether to continue this meeting at the same time in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Second working group meeting on language packs today

2013-12-09 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - - Original Message - Hi, We will hold our second Git Integration working group meeting on IRC in #solum on Monday, December 9, 2013 1700 UTC / 0900 PST. Agenda for today's meeting: * Administrative: * Decide whether to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] [Security]

2013-12-09 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - I created some relatively high level security best practices that I thought would apply to Solum. I don't think it is ever too early to get mindshare around security so that developers keep that in mind throughout the project. When a design decision point could

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] MySQL Storage Engine

2013-12-04 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - TLDR: Should Solum log a warning if operators do not use the InnoDB storage engine with MySQL in Solum's control plane? Details: I was looking at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57024/ Models.py to be specific. The default storage engine is InnoDB for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] MySQL Storage Engine

2013-12-04 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - With the comments that we've received, I would recommend that Clayton remove the option to select the MySQL storage engine from Oslo config and just hardcode InnoDB. I believe it entails just removing a few lines of code. It doesn't sound like anyone has a reason

[openstack-dev] [Solum] First working group meeting on language packs

2013-12-03 Thread Clayton Coleman
Meeting 1 was conducted on Monday and consisted mostly of freeform discussions, clarification, and QA: http://irclogs.solum.io/2013/solum.2013-12-02-17.05.html. The next meeting is Monday, December 9, 2013 1700 UTC. Wiki:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Working group on language packs

2013-12-02 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Clayton, good detail documentation of the design approach @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/FeatureBlueprints/BuildingSourceIntoDeploymentArtifacts A few questions - 1. On the objective of supporting both heroku build packs and openshift cartridges: how

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Definition feedback

2013-11-27 Thread Clayton Coleman
in the REST APIs (not yet closed, but did not see much if any objections). Package feels too low level, I agree. Product is perhaps an alternative though also not ideal. --A On 27/11/2013 06:31, Clayton Coleman wrote: On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Adrian Otto adrian.o...@rackspace.com

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Definition feedback

2013-11-26 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 26, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Adrian Otto adrian.o...@rackspace.com wrote: Tom, On Nov 26, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Tom Deckers (tdeckers) tdeck...@cisco.com wrote: Hi All, Few comments on the Definitions blueprint [1]: 1. I'd propose to alter the term 'Application' to either

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Definition feedback

2013-11-26 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Adrian Otto adrian.o...@rackspace.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Clayton Coleman ccole...@redhat.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Adrian Otto adrian.o...@rackspace.com wrote: Tom, On Nov 26, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Tom Deckers

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] git-Integration working group

2013-11-25 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - On 11/22/2013 09:51 PM, Adrian Otto wrote: Monty, On Nov 22, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 11/22/2013 05:37 PM, Krishna Raman wrote: Hello all, I would like to kickoff the Git integration discussion. Goal of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Working group on language packs

2013-11-23 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 23, 2013, at 2:37 AM, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Clayton Coleman's message of 2013-11-22 21:43:40 -0800: On Nov 22, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 11/22/2013 11:34 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: I have updated the language

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Working group on language packs

2013-11-22 Thread Clayton Coleman
I have updated the language pack (name subject to change) blueprint with the outcomes from the face2face meetings, and drafted a specification that captures the discussion so far. The spec is centered around the core idea of transitioning base images into deployable images (that can be stored

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Working group on language packs

2013-11-22 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 22, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 11/22/2013 11:34 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: I have updated the language pack (name subject to change) blueprint with the outcomes from the face2face meetings, and drafted a specification that captures

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] SFO Design Workshop

2013-11-18 Thread Clayton Coleman
Is there easy parking at the rackspace office? On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Adrian Otto adrian.o...@rackspace.com wrote: No. Registration is for in person attendance only. -- Adrian Original message From: Rajdeep Dua Date:11/18/2013 5:39 AM (GMT-08:00) To:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Version scheme

2013-11-14 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - On 11/14/2013 10:36 AM, Murali Allada wrote: I'm not a big fan of using date information in the version number. Is there an advantage to doing that? Using a model like 0.0.1 makes it easier to communicate. A better approach might be to use

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - So while I have been on vacation, I've been thinking about Solum and Heat. And I have some lingering questions in my mind that make me question whether a new server project is actually necessary at all, and whether we really should just be targeting innovation

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-14 Thread Clayton Coleman
With no feedback on remotability so far (we can touch base at F2F next week) here's a representative sample of the object model with sqlalchemy implementations approach, without some of the bits that would enable remotability (primarily the ability to rehydrate an object with the correct

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - The abstraction will probably always leak something, but in general it comes down to isolating a full transaction behind a coarse method. Was going to try to demonstrate that as I went. I've almost got something ready for feedback and review - before I do that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
advantages of the object approach (that it makes handling versioned data easier, and that it allows using sql and non-sql backends) we should be good. Btw, thanks for sending across link to the F1 paper. Regards, - Devdatta -Original Message- From: Clayton Coleman ccole

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Weekly Team Meeting

2013-11-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Hello, Solum meets Tuesdays at 1600 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt (formerly in #solum) Note: Due to the Nov 3rd change in Daylight Savings Time, this now happens at 08:00 US/Pacific (starts in about 45 minutes from now) Agenda:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Gated Source Code Flow (was: Weekly Team Meeting)

2013-11-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Clayton, On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Clayton Coleman ccole...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - Hello, Solum meets Tuesdays at 1600 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt (formerly in #solum) Note: Due to the Nov 3rd change

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Create a source repo for the API specification?

2013-11-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - I like this idea. I'd also propose that the format of the specification be something machine-readable, such as API-Blueprint (a simple subset of markdown, apiblueprint.org , also what apiary uses, if you've ever seen that) or RAML (a more structured YAML-based

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Create a source repo for the API specification?

2013-11-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - - Original Message - I like this idea. I'd also propose that the format of the specification be something machine-readable, such as API-Blueprint (a simple subset of markdown, apiblueprint.org , also what apiary uses, if you've ever seen that)

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Create a source repo for the API specification?

2013-11-13 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Christopher Armstrong chris.armstr...@rackspace.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, One of the most important aspects in the early stages of Solum development

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-11 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - 1) Using objects as an abstraction for versioned data: This seems like a good direction overall, especially from the point-of-view of backwards compatibility of consumers of the object. However, after looking through some of the objects

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Command Line Interface for Solum

2013-11-11 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:01 AM, Clayton Coleman ccole...@redhat.com wrote: The implication I heard from the session is the command infrastructure and client code have or will have a well defined interface from

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Command Line Interface for Solum

2013-11-10 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 10, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Paul Belanger paul.belan...@polybeacon.com wrote: On 13-11-10 12:36 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:15 AM, Noorul Islam K M wrote: Hello all, I registered a new blueprint [1] for command line client interface for Solum. We need to decide whether

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Command Line Interface for Solum

2013-11-10 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 10, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Noorul Islam K M noo...@noorul.com wrote: Clayton Coleman ccole...@redhat.com writes: On Nov 10, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Paul Belanger paul.belan...@polybeacon.com wrote: On 13-11-10 12:36 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 11/10/2013 10:15 AM, Noorul Islam K M wrote

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-07 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L420 https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L43 This API and these models are what we are trying to avoid exposing to the rest of nova. By

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum]: Workshop dates at SFO

2013-11-06 Thread Clayton Coleman
Some of us have already booked travel? On Nov 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Roshan Agrawal roshan.agra...@rackspace.com wrote: Folks, some of us indicated they cannot make Nov 19,20, so I created a doodle poll to finalize a date that works for most of us. Please take a moment to indicate your

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Nova task API, task flow, and actions from design summit

2013-11-05 Thread Clayton Coleman
Quick summary of interesting discussions yesterday at the summit that relate to things we will face in Solum wrt async flows. The two nova sessions on async work [1] and the task API [2] had a lot of good back and forth. The problem space is how to model and convey long running tasks in the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Choice of API infrastructure

2013-11-04 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 5, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@dreamhost.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, I respect you very much as an engineer and as a community member, so I want to preface this with a very important dislaimer:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Choice of API infrastructure

2013-11-03 Thread Clayton Coleman
On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/02/2013 11:26 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 11/02/2013 11:54 AM, Adrian Otto wrote: Noorul, I agree that key decisions should be tracked in blueprints. This is the one for this decision which was made in our

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Create a source repo for the API specification?

2013-11-02 Thread Clayton Coleman
+1 - with the level of interest among existing vendors I think this will help others who want to be API compatible with Solum (above and beyond normal benefits) On Nov 2, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, One of the most important aspects in the early stages

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration (was: Stackforge Repo Ready)

2013-11-01 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Once all the gitreview stuff is cleaned up I was going to do some purely mechanical additions. I heard a few +1 for sqlalchemy with the standard OpenStack abstraction: solum/db/api.py manager abstraction for db calls solum/db/sqlalchemy/api.py

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-01 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - On 11/01/2013 11:14 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: - Original Message - Noorul Islam K M noo...@noorul.com writes: Adrian Otto adrian.o...@rackspace.com writes: Team, Our StackForge code repo is open, so you may begin submitting code for review

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-01 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - On 11/01/2013 12:33 PM, Clayton Coleman wrote: - Original Message - Once all the gitreview stuff is cleaned up I was going to do some purely mechanical additions. I heard a few +1 for sqlalchemy with the standard OpenStack abstraction: solum

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Logging Blueprint Approval

2013-11-01 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Team, We have a blueprint for logging architecture within Solum, which is an important feature to aid in debugging at runtime: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging The team voted for a lightweight governance style, and because we are

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-01 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - I was blindly assuming we want to pull in eventlet support, with the implicit understanding that we will be doing some form of timeslicing and async io bound waiting in the API... but would like to hear others weigh in before I add the monkey_patch and stub

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-01 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - I think there is a summit topic about what to do about a good 'oslo.db' (not sure if it got scheduled?) Will look. I'd always recommend reconsidering just copying what nova/cinder and a few others have for there db structure. I don't think that has turned

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Some initial code copying for db/migration

2013-11-01 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L420 https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L43 This API and these models are what we are trying to avoid exposing to the rest of nova. By

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Separation of concerns for 0.1 git deploy blueprint

2013-10-31 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - - Original Message - Hi Clayton, Thank you for creating these diagrams. They are a great starting point for discussions around the git deploy blueprint. Some questions/comments: In both the diagrams, what do the arrows indicate? Data

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum] Solum transitioned to openstack-dev

2013-10-30 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - Hi, The Solum team has agreed[1] to use openstack-dev, and has closed its project-specific mailing list. We look forward to discussing ongoing design and development efforts here. We are also transitioning to an openstack meeting channel for subsequent public

[openstack-dev] [Solum] Separation of concerns for 0.1 git deploy blueprint

2013-10-30 Thread Clayton Coleman
In the IRC meeting yesterday [1] we discussed splitting the individual topics for the git deploy blueprint [2] into rough sub areas. To help frame the abstractions we've been discussing I roughed out a flow based on two user inputs, REST API create and a git push and then tried to draw boxes