Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
Robert Collins wrote: I think you have a very different definition of -core to the rest of OpenStack. I was actually somewhat concerned about the '+2 Guard the gate stuff' at the summit because it's so easily misinterpreted - and there is a meme going around (I don't know if it's true or not)

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-10 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: That's why I thought creating VIP parties for +2 reviewers (or giving them special badges or T-shirts) is spreading the wrong message, and encourage people to hang on to the extra rights associated with the duty.

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/12/13 06:31, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations related to nomination for

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2013-12-09 03:31:36 -0800: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-12-09 09:52:25 -0800: On 09/12/13 06:31, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/12/13 14:03, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2013-12-09 09:52:25 -0800: On 09/12/13 06:31, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 10 December 2013 00:31, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Hardy
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 08:34:04AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 10 December 2013 00:31, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Robert Collins
On 10 December 2013 11:04, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: So it's a gross mischaracterisation to imply that a democratic process aided by some [crude] stats has been reduced to name shame, and a rather offensive one. Yes I have read your monthly core reviewer update emails[1] and I

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Hardy
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:25:49AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 10 December 2013 11:04, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: So it's a gross mischaracterisation to imply that a democratic process aided by some [crude] stats has been reduced to name shame, and a rather offensive one.

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Angus Salkeld
On 09/12/13 11:31 +, Steven Hardy wrote: Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations related to nomination for

[openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Hardy
Hi all, So I've been getting concerned about $subject recently, and based on some recent discussions so have some other heat-core folks, so I wanted to start a discussion where we can agree and communicate our expectations related to nomination for heat-core membership (becuase we do need more

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Thierry Carrez
Steven Hardy wrote: [...] The issues I have are: - Russell's stats (while very useful) are being used by some projects as the principal metric related to -core membership (ref TripleO's monthly cull/nameshame, which I am opposed to btw). This is in some cases encouraging some

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] Core criteria, review stats vs reality

2013-12-09 Thread Russell Bryant
On 12/09/2013 07:43 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Steven Hardy wrote: [...] The issues I have are: - Russell's stats (while very useful) are being used by some projects as the principal metric related to -core membership (ref TripleO's monthly cull/nameshame, which I am opposed to btw).