[openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Mike Scherbakov
Hi all, what about using experimental tag for experimental features? After we implemented feature groups [1], we can divide our features and for complex features, or those which don't get enough QA resources in the dev cycle, we can declare as experimental. It would mean that those are not

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Mike Scherbakov
if we point somewhere about knowing issues in those experimental features there are might be dozens of bugs. May be we can use tag per feature, for example zabbix, so it will be easy to search in LP all open bugs regarding Zabbix feature? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Igor Kalnitsky

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Igor Kalnitsky
May be we can use tag per feature, for example zabbix Tags are ok, but I still think that we can mention at least some significant bugs. For example, if some feature doesn't work in some deployment mode (e.g. simple, with ceilometer, etc) we can at least notify users so they even don't try.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Nikolay Markov
Probably, even experimental feature should at least pretend to be working, anyway, or it shouldn't be publically announced. But I think it's important to describe limitation of this features (or mark some of them as untested) and I think list of known issues with links to most important bugs is a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Anastasia Urlapova
I think we should not count bugs for HCF criteria if they affect only experimental feature(s). +1, absolutely agree, but we should determine count of allowed bugs for experimental features against severity. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Nikolay Markov nmar...@mirantis.com wrote: Probably,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Vladimir Kuklin
+1 On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Anastasia Urlapova aurlap...@mirantis.com wrote: I think we should not count bugs for HCF criteria if they affect only experimental feature(s). +1, absolutely agree, but we should determine count of allowed bugs for experimental features against

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Mike Scherbakov
+1, absolutely agree, but we should determine count of allowed bugs for experimental features against severity. Anastasia, can you please give an example? I think we should not count them at all. Experimental features, if they are isolated, they can be in any stated. May be just very beginning of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Tomasz Napierala
On 11 Sep 2014, at 09:19, Mike Scherbakov mscherba...@mirantis.com wrote: Hi all, what about using experimental tag for experimental features? After we implemented feature groups [1], we can divide our features and for complex features, or those which don't get enough QA resources in the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Anastasia Urlapova
Mike, i've just want to say, if feature isn't ready for production use and we have no other choice, we should provide detailed limitations and examples of proper use. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Tomasz Napierala tnapier...@mirantis.com wrote: On 11 Sep 2014, at 09:19, Mike Scherbakov

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Mike Scherbakov
Mike, i've just want to say, if feature isn't ready for production use and we have no other choice, we should provide detailed limitations and examples of proper use. Fully agree, such features should become experimental. We should have this information in release notes. Basically, Patching of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Fuel] Experimental features and how they affect HCF

2014-09-11 Thread Anastasia Urlapova
QA-agree. -- nurla On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Mike Scherbakov mscherba...@mirantis.com wrote: Mike, i've just want to say, if feature isn't ready for production use and we have no other choice, we should provide detailed limitations and examples of proper use. Fully agree, such