Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [app-catalog] conditional resource exposure - second thoughts

2015-07-14 Thread Fox, Kevin M
t: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [app-catalog] conditional resource exposure - second thoughts A feedback mechanism for users is obviously a "good thing", but IMO, not germane to the threads original purpose of how and when to expose supported resources in Heat. I cannot imagine us im

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [app-catalog] conditional resource exposure - second thoughts

2015-07-14 Thread Randall Burt
tor easily know the users > actually need something they aren't providing gives them the opportunity to > fix the issue, benefiting all 3 parties. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > > From: Randall Burt [randall.b...@rackspace.com] > Sent: Tue

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [app-catalog] conditional resource exposure - second thoughts

2015-07-14 Thread Fox, Kevin M
Randall Burt [randall.b...@rackspace.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 2:40 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [app-catalog] conditional resource exposure - secondthoughts Making users complain to admins that may have litt

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [app-catalog] conditional resource exposure - second thoughts

2015-07-14 Thread Randall Burt
Making users complain to admins that may have little to no control over what is and isn't available isn't a healthy strategy for user experience. Purposefully engineering hardship to try and influence operators to "do the right thing" in someone else's opinion sounds pretty counter productive to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] [app-catalog] conditional resource exposure - second thoughts

2015-07-14 Thread Fox, Kevin M
We're kind of debating the same thing for the app catalog. Do we show templates that don't work on a given cloud since they wont work, potentially making useful tools hard to discover, or do we view it as an opportunity for users to complain to their admins that they need X feature in order to d