Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-15 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 11 October 2013 15:41, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: Current reviews require: +1 de facto driver X mantainer(s) +2 core reviewer +2A core reviewer While with the proposed scenario we'd get to a way faster route: +2 driver X mantainer +2A another driver X

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-15 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 15, 2013, at 18:14 , Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.commailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 October 2013 15:41, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.commailto:apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: Current reviews require: +1 de facto driver X mantainer(s) +2 core

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-15 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 11 October 2013 20:51, Rochelle.Grober rochelle.gro...@huawei.com wrote: Proposed solution: There have been a couple of solutions proposed. I’m presenting a merged/hybrid solution that may work · Create a new repository for the extra drivers: o Keep kvm and Xenapi in the Nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-15 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 13 October 2013 00:19, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: If you don't like any of the options that this already long thread is providing, I'm absolutely open to discuss any constructive idea. But please, let's get out of this awful mess. OpenStack is still a young

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-15 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 15, 2013, at 19:18 , Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 October 2013 00:19, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: If you don't like any of the options that this already long thread is providing, I'm absolutely open to discuss any constructive

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-15 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 15, 2013, at 19:03 , Duncan Thomas duncan.tho...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 October 2013 20:51, Rochelle.Grober rochelle.gro...@huawei.com wrote: Proposed solution: There have been a couple of solutions proposed. I’m presenting a merged/hybrid solution that may work ·

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-15 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
To:OpenStack Development Mailing List openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date:10/15/2013 10:39 AM Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On Oct 15, 2013, at 18:14 , Duncan Thomas duncan.tho

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Joe Gordon wrote: [...] This sounds like a very myopic solution to the issue you originally raised, and I don't think it will solve the underlying issues. Taking a step back, you originally raised a concern about how we prioritize reviews with the havana-rc-potential tag. [...] I'm with

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-14 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On 14.10.2013, at 11:18, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: [...] This sounds like a very myopic solution to the issue you originally raised, and I don't think it will solve the underlying issues. Taking a step back, you originally raised a concern about how

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-14 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:58:22 + Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: As a an example we have a couple of critical bugs for Havana with their fix already under review that nobody cared even to triage, let alone review. Anyone can join the nova-bugs team on launchpad

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-14 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/14/2013 04:10 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Joe Gordon wrote: [...] This sounds like a very myopic solution to the issue you originally raised, and I don't think it will solve the underlying issues. Taking a step back, you originally raised a concern about how we prioritize reviews with

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-13 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:12:26 +1300 Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 12 October 2013 21:35, Christopher Yeoh cbky...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:27:54 -0700 Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: A fairly fundamental thing in SOA architectures - which we have

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-13 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:30:30 -0700 Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the drivers are in the same tree all of them can be updated at the same time as the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-13 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:20:44 -0700 Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: Once again you raise the issue of bug triage and prioritization of reviews (and blueprints), so help us fix that! This isn't a virt driver only issue though. The issues you originally raise are only incidentally

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-13 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 13, 2013, at 14:54 , Christopher Yeoh cbky...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:30:30 -0700 Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the drivers are

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:27:54 -0700 Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: Agreed, a stable virt driver API is not feasible or healthy at this point, IMHO. However, it doesn't change that much as it is. I know I'll be making changes to virt drivers in the coming cycle due to objects and I have

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Robert Collins
On 12 October 2013 21:35, Christopher Yeoh cbky...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:27:54 -0700 Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the drivers are in the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Dan Smith
If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the drivers are in the same tree all of them can be updated at the same time as the infrastructure. Right, and I think if we split those drivers out, then we do

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Tim Bell
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the drivers are in the same tree all of them can be updated at the same

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Dan Smith
From the user perspective, splitting off the projects seems to be focussing on the ease of commit compared to the final user experience. I think what you describe is specifically the desire that originally spawned the thread: making the merging of changes to the hyper-v driver faster by

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
to address this, I can arrange a user representation in that session. Tim -Original Message- From: Dan Smith [mailto:d...@danplanet.com] Sent: 12 October 2013 18:31 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status If the idea is to gate

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On 12.10.2013, at 20:22, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: From the user perspective, splitting off the projects seems to be focussing on the ease of commit compared to the final user experience. I think what you describe is specifically the desire that originally spawned the thread:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Bob Ball
From: Alessandro Pilotti [apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com] Sent: 12 October 2013 20:21 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status 1) All the drivers will still be part of Nova. 2) One official project

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Dan Smith
4) Periodically, code from the new project(s) must be merged into Nova. Only Nova core reviewers will have obviously +2a rights here. I propose to do it on scheduled days before every milestone, differentiated per driver to distribute the review effort (what about also having Nova core

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Joe Gordon
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: On 12.10.2013, at 20:22, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: From the user perspective, splitting off the projects seems to be focussing on the ease of commit compared to the final user

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On 13.10.2013, at 01:26, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.commailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.commailto:apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: On 12.10.2013, at 20:22, Dan Smith

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-12 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On 13.10.2013, at 01:09, Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: 4) Periodically, code from the new project(s) must be merged into Nova. Only Nova core reviewers will have obviously +2a rights here. I propose to do it on scheduled days before every milestone, differentiated per driver to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 10/10/2013 08:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote: snip Again, I don't have any vested interest in this discussion, except that I believe the concept of reviewer karma to be counter to both software quality and openness. In this particular case it would seem that the simplest solution to this problem

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 11, 2013, at 14:15 , Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 10/10/2013 08:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote: snip Again, I don't have any vested interest in this discussion, except that I believe the concept of reviewer karma to be counter to both software quality and openness. In this particular

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: OpenStack is organized differently: there are lots of separate projects (Nova, Neutrom, Glance, etc) instead of a single one (which is a good thing), but I believe that a similar approach can be applied. Specific contributors can be

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 11, 2013, at 17:17 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.commailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: OpenStack is organized differently: there are lots of separate projects (Nova, Neutrom, Glance, etc) instead of a single one (which is a good

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/11/2013 10:41 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 17:17 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: OpenStack is organized differently: there are lots of separate projects (Nova, Neutrom,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Bob Ball
-Original Message- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status As a practical example for Nova: in our case that would simply include the following subtrees

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 11, 2013, at 18:02 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 10:41 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 17:17 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: OpenStack is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Smith
We could either have a single repo: openstack/nova-extra-drivers This would be my preference for sure, just from the standpoint of additional release complexity otherwise. I know it might complicate how the core team works, but presumably we could get away with just having driver

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Smith
I think that all drivers that are officially supported must be treated in the same way. Well, we already have multiple classes of support due to the various states of testing that the drivers have. If we are going to split out drivers into a separate but still official repository then we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread John Griffith
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Bob Ball bob.b...@citrix.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status As a practical

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 11, 2013, at 18:36 , Dan Smith d...@danplanet.com wrote: I think that all drivers that are officially supported must be treated in the same way. Well, we already have multiple classes of support due to the various states of testing that the drivers have. If we are going to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Russell Bryant
15:18 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status As a practical example for Nova: in our case that would simply include the following subtrees: nova/virt/hyperv and nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Dan Smith
My only request here is that we can make sure that new driver features can land for other drivers without necessarilky having them implemented for libvirt/KVM first. We've got lots of things supported by the XenAPI drivers that aren't supported by libvirt, so I don't think this is a problem

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Joe Gordon
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 14:15 , Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 10/10/2013 08:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote: snip Again, I don't have any vested interest in this discussion, except that I believe the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Matt Riedemann
N Rochester, MN 55901-1407 United States From: Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 10/11/2013 11:33 AM Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On 10/11/2013 12:04 PM, John Griffith wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
...@redhat.commailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status As a practical example for Nova: in our case that would simply include the following subtrees: nova/virt/hyperv

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Russell Bryant
Message- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.comhttp://redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.orgmailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/11/2013 02:03 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: Talking about new community involvements, newcomers are getting very frustrated to have to wait for weeks to get a meaningful review and I cannot blame them if they don't want to get involved anymore after the first patch! This makes appear

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread David Kranz
On 10/11/2013 02:03 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 19:29 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 12:04 PM, John Griffith wrote: [... snip ...] Talking about new community involvements, newcomers are getting very

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread John Griffith
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM, David Kranz dkr...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 02:03 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 19:29 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/11/2013 12:04 PM, John Griffith wrote: Umm... just to clarify the section below is NOT

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Mathew R Odden
Not to derail the current direction this thread is heading but my 2 cents on the topic of moving drivers out of tree: I share a lot of the same concerns that John Griffith pointed out. As a one of the maintainers of the PowerVM driver in nova, I view the official-ness of having the driver in tree

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/11/2013 03:51 PM, Rochelle.Grober wrote: Pardon me for cutting out most of the discussion. I’d like to summarize a bit here and make a proposal. Issues: · Driver and Plugin writers for Nova (and other Core OpenStack projects) have a different development focus

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On 11.10.2013, at 22:58, Rochelle.Grober rochelle.gro...@huawei.commailto:rochelle.gro...@huawei.com wrote: Pardon me for cutting out most of the discussion. I’d like to summarize a bit here and make a proposal. Issues: · Driver and Plugin writers for Nova (and other Core

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/11/2013 05:09 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: My suggestion is to bring this discussion to HK, possibly with a few beers in front and sort it out :-) Sounds like a good plan to me! Thanks, -- Russell Bryant ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-11 Thread Rochelle.Grober
and fast. --Rocky Grober -Original Message- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 3:59 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On 10/11/2013 05:09 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: My suggestion

[openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-10 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
Hi all, As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email to sum up the situation for pending bugs and reviews related to the Hyper-V integration in OpenStack. In the past weeks we diligently marked bugs that are related to Havana features with the havana-rc-potential

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-10 Thread Alessandro Pilotti
On Oct 10, 2013, at 23:50 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.commailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/10/2013 02:20 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: Hi all, As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email to sum up the situation for pending bugs and reviews related to the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-10 Thread Tim Smith
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Please understand that I only want to help here. Perhaps a good way for you to get more review attention is get more karma in the dev community by helping review other patches. It looks like you don't really review

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-10 Thread Matt Riedemann
@lists.openstack.org, Date: 10/10/2013 07:48 PM Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Please understand that I only want to help here. Perhaps a good way for you to get more review attention is get more

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-10 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Alessandro Pilotti apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com wrote: Hi all, As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email to sum up the situation for pending bugs and reviews related to the Hyper-V integration in OpenStack. In the past

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-10 Thread Joe Gordon
] [Hyper-V] Havana status -- On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Russell Bryant *rbry...@redhat.com*rbry...@redhat.com wrote: Please understand that I only want to help here. Perhaps a good way for you to get more review attention is get more karma in the dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2013-10-10 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Tim Smith tsm...@gridcentric.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.comwrote: Please understand that I only want to help here. Perhaps a good way for you to get more review attention is get more karma in the dev community