Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 3 March 2014 18:30, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: My advice was therefore that you should not wait for that to happen to engage in cooperative behavior, because you don't want to be the first company to get singled out. Cooperative behavior is vague. Case in point: I have

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
Luke Gorrie wrote: Cooperative behavior is vague. I realize I was way too vague and apologize if you felt threatened in any way. It is terminology borrowed from sociology, and I realize it does not translate that well in general discussion (and appears stronger than I really meant). Case in

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 4 March 2014 11:40, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: This is a technical requirement, and failing to match those requirements is clearly not the same as engaging in deception or otherwise failing the OpenStack community code of conduct. Thank you for clearing that up!

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-04 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, 2014-03-04 at 10:11 +0100, Luke Gorrie wrote: On 3 March 2014 18:30, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: My advice was therefore that you should not wait for that to happen to engage in cooperative behavior, because you don't want to be

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: On 03/01/2014 06:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Something that came up recently in the Cinder project is that one of the backend device vendors wasn't happy with a feature that somebody was working on and contributed a patch for. Instead of providing a meaningful review and

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Mark Collier
+1 Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On March 3, 2014 10:12:43 AM Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 16:30 -0700, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Luke Gorrie
On 3 March 2014 11:27, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: It will certainly hurt the first one we nail on the wall. So here is one reputational pressure: you don't want to be that company. [1] http://fnords.wordpress.com/2014/02/24/the-dilemma-of-open-innovation/ -1. That's a

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Luke Gorrie wrote: That's a really harsh threat being made against a really vaguely defined group. I don't want to have to read between the lines on threats posted to openstack-dev to see if my reputation will be in tatters in the morning. This spoiled my day today, and I have nothing to

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-03 Thread John Griffith
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: Luke Gorrie wrote: That's a really harsh threat being made against a really vaguely defined group. I don't want to have to read between the lines on threats posted to openstack-dev to see if my reputation will

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Sean Dague
On 03/01/2014 06:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community awareness. We all know

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Anita Kuno
On 03/02/2014 07:10 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 03/01/2014 06:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.comwrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Russell Bryant
On 03/01/2014 08:45 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-02 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014 16:30:10 -0700 John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: I don't want to go into detail about who, what, where etc at this point. I instead, I want to point out that in my opinion this is no way to operate in an Open Source community. Collaboration is one thing, but

[openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread John Griffith
Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community awareness. We all know OpenStack is growing at a rapid pace and has a lot

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread Monty Taylor
On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community awareness. We all know

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread Mark Collier
+hellyeah On Mar 1, 2014 7:45 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 03/01/2014 03:30 PM, John Griffith wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently.    Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Dev] [Cinder] Open Source and community working together

2014-03-01 Thread Robert Collins
On 2 March 2014 12:30, John Griffith john.griff...@solidfire.com wrote: Hey, I just wanted to send out a quick note on a topic that came up recently. Unfortunately the folks that I'd like to read this most; don't participate on the ML typically, but I'd at least like to raise some community