Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-15 Thread Steven Hardy
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 01:41:22PM -0500, Jay Pipes wrote: So while I have been on vacation, I've been thinking about Solum and Heat. And I have some lingering questions in my mind that make me question whether a new server project is actually necessary at all, and whether we really should

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-15 Thread Jason Dunsmore
Great description of Heat vs. Solum! This belongs in the FAQs of both projects IMO. This question is bound to keep coming up (for good reason). On Thu, Nov 14 2013, Angus Salkeld wrote: On 14/11/13 13:41 -0500, Jay Pipes wrote: So while I have been on vacation, I've been thinking about Solum

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-15 Thread Jay Pipes
On 11/15/2013 11:15 AM, Jason Dunsmore wrote: Great description of Heat vs. Solum! This belongs in the FAQs of both projects IMO. This question is bound to keep coming up (for good reason). Indeed, Angus' descriptions as well as many of the other folks on this thread were great and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Christopher Armstrong
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Sam Alba sam.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jay, I think Heat is an ingredient for Solum. When you build a PaaS, you need to control the app at different levels: #1 describing your app (basically your stack) #2 Pushing your code #3 Deploying it #4 Controlling

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Adrian Otto
Jay, Thanks for the great question. They really are different. Heat's mission (correct me if there is a more recent one) is: To explicitly model the relationships between OpenStack resources of all kinds; and to harness those models, expressed in forms accessible to both humans and machines,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Sam Alba
Hi Jay, I think Heat is an ingredient for Solum. When you build a PaaS, you need to control the app at different levels: #1 describing your app (basically your stack) #2 Pushing your code #3 Deploying it #4 Controlling the runtime (restart, get logs, scale, changing resources allocation, etc...)

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Swapnil Kulkarni
Hi Jay, I can say I am still new in Solum team, still reading the extensive documentation team has created and understanding it. I believe Solum should be considered an Application project than a server project. I understand it will be using Heat and HOT to very good extent and there are

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi, I think that Heat is mostly focused on deployment even with new software configs and convergence. HOT template is quite static description of desired state we want to achieve and it is up to Heat engine how to achieve this state. Solum is focused on managing the process of converting source

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Clayton Coleman
- Original Message - So while I have been on vacation, I've been thinking about Solum and Heat. And I have some lingering questions in my mind that make me question whether a new server project is actually necessary at all, and whether we really should just be targeting innovation

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Alexander Tivelkov
Hi, That's an important question, and I've seen it being asked many times before, often regarding the Murano project, which also hides Heat templates under the hood: people were asking why do they need yet another abstraction layer on top of the familiar and powerful tool such as Heat. I believe

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi, 1) Find all of the applications using PHP 5.4. in their stack and update them to PHP 5.4.+1 a) test that the application still works using its built in test suites b) if the PHP 5.4.+1 upgrade fails, go back to using PHP 5.4. for only the affected applications Actually I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Angus Salkeld
On 14/11/13 13:41 -0500, Jay Pipes wrote: So while I have been on vacation, I've been thinking about Solum and Heat. And I have some lingering questions in my mind that make me question whether a new server project is actually necessary at all, and whether we really should just be targeting

Re: [openstack-dev] [Solum/Heat] Is Solum really necessary?

2013-11-14 Thread Steven Dake
On 11/14/2013 11:41 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: So while I have been on vacation, I've been thinking about Solum and Heat. And I have some lingering questions in my mind that make me question whether a new server project is actually necessary at all, and whether we really should just be targeting