Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-28 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
I've spent some time thinking about this, and I have a clarification. I don't like the use of the word 'deployment', because it's not exact enough for me. Future plans for the tuskar-ui include management of the undercloud as well, and at that point, 'deployment role' becomes vague, as it could

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-28 Thread Jason Rist
I thought we were avoiding using overcloud and undercloud within the UI? -J On 01/28/2014 03:04 AM, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: I've spent some time thinking about this, and I have a clarification. I don't like the use of the word 'deployment', because it's not exact enough for me. Future plans

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-28 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
Yep, although the reason why - that no end-user will know what these terms mean - has never been entirely convincing to me. But even if we don't use the word 'overcloud', I think we should use *something*. Deployment is just so vague that without some context, it could refer to anything. As a

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-28 Thread Jay Pipes
On Tue, 2014-01-28 at 10:02 -0500, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Yep, although the reason why - that no end-user will know what these terms mean - has never been entirely convincing to me. Well, tenants would never see any of the Tuskar UI, so I don't think we need worry about them. And if a deployer

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-28 Thread Jay Dobies
On 01/28/2014 11:42 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On Tue, 2014-01-28 at 10:02 -0500, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Yep, although the reason why - that no end-user will know what these terms mean - has never been entirely convincing to me. Well, tenants would never see any of the Tuskar UI, so I don't think

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-27 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Based on this thread which didn't seem to get clear outcome, I have one last suggestion: * Deployment Role It looks that it might satisfy participants of this discussion. When I internally talked to people it got the best reactions from already suggested terms. Depending on your reactions

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-27 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
I'd argue that we should call it 'overcloud role' - at least from the modeling point of view - since the tuskar-api calls a deployment an overcloud. But I like the general direction of the term-renaming! Mainn - Original Message - Based on this thread which didn't seem to get clear

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-23 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/22/01 19:46, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: - Original Message - Oh dear user... :) I'll step a little bit back. We need to agree if we want to name concepts one way in the background and other way in the UI for user (did we already agree on this point?). We all know pros and cons.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-23 Thread Robert Collins
On 22 January 2014 12:05, Liz Blanchard lsure...@redhat.com wrote: How about Instance Type? I’m looking at page 10 of the latest wireframes [1] and I see we are using the terms “Resource”, “Node”, and “Instance” to labels certain items. I’m pretty sure Node and Instance are different, but

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-23 Thread Robert Collins
On 23 January 2014 21:39, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: On 2014/22/01 19:46, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: So... For now, the attributes are: - Name - Description - Image (Image was discussed on the level of a Role, not Node Profile) - Node Profile(s) Future: + Service Specific

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-23 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 23/01/14 10:46, Robert Collins wrote: On 22 January 2014 12:05, Liz Blanchard lsure...@redhat.com wrote: How about Instance Type? I’m looking at page 10 of the latest wireframes [1] and I see we are using the terms “Resource”, “Node”, and “Instance” to labels certain items. I’m

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-23 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
- Original Message - On 23 January 2014 21:39, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: On 2014/22/01 19:46, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: So... For now, the attributes are: - Name - Description - Image (Image was discussed on the level of a Role, not Node Profile) - Node

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1 Controller and 3 Compute, Heat will create a Stack that contains 1 Controller and 3

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1 Controller and 3 Compute, Heat will create a Stack that contains 1 Controller and 3

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/22/01 10:00, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1 Controller and 3 Compute, Heat will create

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Oleg Gelbukh
Hello, Jaromir On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: I am leaning towards Role. We can be more specific with adding some extra word, e.g.: * Node Role We use this term a lot internally for the very similar purpose, so it looks reasonable to me. Just my

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
That's a fair question; I'd argue that it *should* be resources. When we update an overcloud deployment, it'll create additional resources. Mainn - Original Message - On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
- Original Message - On 2014/22/01 10:00, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
On 2014/22/01 10:00, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1 Controller and 3

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Dougal Matthews
On 22/01/14 14:31, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: On 2014/22/01 10:00, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Liz Blanchard
On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Liz Blanchard
On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Dougal Matthews dou...@redhat.com wrote: On 22/01/14 14:31, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: On 2014/22/01 10:00, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Liz Blanchard
On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: On 2014/22/01 10:00, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: On 2014/22/01 10:00, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e.,

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:02 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: On 2014/22/01 00:56, Tzu-Mainn Chen wrote: Hiya - Resource is actually a Heat term that corresponds to what we're deploying within the Overcloud Stack - i.e., if we specify that we want an Overcloud with 1

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Oh dear user... :) I'll step a little bit back. We need to agree if we want to name concepts one way in the background and other way in the UI for user (did we already agree on this point?). We all know pros and cons. And I will still fight for users to get global infrastructure terminology

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Liz Blanchard
On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: Oh dear user... :) I'll step a little bit back. We need to agree if we want to name concepts one way in the background and other way in the UI for user (did we already agree on this point?). We all know pros and cons.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-22 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
- Original Message - Oh dear user... :) I'll step a little bit back. We need to agree if we want to name concepts one way in the background and other way in the UI for user (did we already agree on this point?). We all know pros and cons. And I will still fight for users to get

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-21 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Hi folks, when I was getting feedback on wireframes and we talked about Roles, there were various objections and not much suggestions. I would love to call for action and think a bit about the term for concept currently known as Role (= Resource Category). Definition: Role is a

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-21 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
Thanks for starting this! Comments in-line: Hi folks, when I was getting feedback on wireframes and we talked about Roles, there were various objections and not much suggestions. I would love to call for action and think a bit about the term for concept currently known as Role (= Resource

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-21 Thread Dougal Matthews
On 21/01/14 14:19, Jaromir Coufal wrote: when I was getting feedback on wireframes and we talked about Roles, there were various objections and not much suggestions. I would love to call for action and think a bit about the term for concept currently known as Role (= Resource Category). This

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-21 Thread Liz Blanchard
On Jan 21, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Dougal Matthews dou...@redhat.com wrote: On 21/01/14 14:19, Jaromir Coufal wrote: when I was getting feedback on wireframes and we talked about Roles, there were various objections and not much suggestions. I would love to call for action and think a bit about

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Terminology Revival #1 - Roles

2014-01-21 Thread Tzu-Mainn Chen
On Jan 21, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Dougal Matthews dou...@redhat.com wrote: On 21/01/14 14:19, Jaromir Coufal wrote: when I was getting feedback on wireframes and we talked about Roles, there were various objections and not much suggestions. I would love to call for action and think a bit