Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from James Slagle's message of 2014-02-15 13:02:36 -0800: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Robert Collins > wrote: > > On 15 February 2014 08:42, Dan Prince wrote: > >> > > > >> Option B is we make our job easy by strong arming everyone into the same > >> defaults of our "upstream" c

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-15 Thread James Slagle
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Robert Collins wrote: > On 15 February 2014 08:42, Dan Prince wrote: >> > >> Option B is we make our job easy by strong arming everyone into the same >> defaults of our "upstream" choosing. > > Does Nova strong arm everyone into using kvm? Its the default. Or >

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Robert Collins
On 15 February 2014 08:42, Dan Prince wrote: > > Let me restate the options the way I see it: > > Option A is we do our job... by making it possible to install OpenStack using > various distributions using a set of distro agnostic tools (TripleO). So our job is to be the upstream installer. If

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Robert Collins
On 15 February 2014 07:46, Clint Byrum wrote: > * Reference implementations are always derided as not realistic. I think > we need to think of a different term. I prefer to just say that this > is the upstream implementation. We very much expect that a cloud can > and should operate with th

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Dan Prince
- Original Message - > From: "Robert Collins" > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List" , > openstack-operat...@lists.openstack.org > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:27:20 PM > Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in Triple

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Robert Collins's message of 2014-02-13 13:27:20 -0800: > So progressing with the 'and folk that want to use packages can' arc, > we're running into some friction. > > I've copied -operators in on this because its very relevant IMO to operators > :) > > So far: > - some packages us

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Jesse Pretorius
On 14 February 2014 17:57, Jay Dobies wrote: > I am propably repeating much of what James already said already. But I >> think an >> operator that makes the decision to do a package base Triplo installation >> does >> so e.g. because he is familiar with the tools and conventions of the >> specifi

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Jay Dobies
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:27:20AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: So progressing with the 'and folk that want to use packages can' arc, we're running into some friction. I've copied -operators in on this because its very relevant IMO to operators :) So far: - some packages use different usernam

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-14 Thread Ralf Haferkamp
Hi On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:27:20AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: > So progressing with the 'and folk that want to use packages can' arc, > we're running into some friction. > > I've copied -operators in on this because its very relevant IMO to operators > :) > > So far: > - some packages use

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-13 Thread James Slagle
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Robert Collins wrote: > So progressing with the 'and folk that want to use packages can' arc, > we're running into some friction. > > I've copied -operators in on this because its very relevant IMO to operators > :) > > So far: > - some packages use different use

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

2014-02-13 Thread Robert Collins
So progressing with the 'and folk that want to use packages can' arc, we're running into some friction. I've copied -operators in on this because its very relevant IMO to operators :) So far: - some packages use different usernames - some put things in different places (and all of them use diff