Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-10-03 Thread Michael Chapman
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote: I'm sorry about my slow responses. For some reason, gmail didn't think this was an important e-mail :( 2014-09-30 18:41 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: On 09/30/2014 08:03 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2014-09-12 1:05

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-10-03 Thread Soren Hansen
2014-10-03 9:00 GMT+02:00 Michael Chapman wop...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Soren Hansen so...@linux2go.dk wrote: That said, there will certainly be situations where there'll be a need for some sort of anti-entropy mechanism. It just so happens that those situations already

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-10-02 Thread Soren Hansen
I'm sorry about my slow responses. For some reason, gmail didn't think this was an important e-mail :( 2014-09-30 18:41 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: On 09/30/2014 08:03 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2014-09-12 1:05 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: How would I go about getting the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-10-01 Thread Dmitry Tantsur
On 09/30/2014 02:03 PM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2014-09-12 1:05 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: If Nova was to take Soren's advice and implement its data-access layer on top of Cassandra or Riak, we would just end up re-inventing SQL Joins in Python-land. I may very well be wrong(!), but

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-30 Thread Soren Hansen
2014-09-12 1:05 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: If Nova was to take Soren's advice and implement its data-access layer on top of Cassandra or Riak, we would just end up re-inventing SQL Joins in Python-land. I may very well be wrong(!), but this statement makes it sound like you've

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-30 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/30/2014 08:03 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2014-09-12 1:05 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: If Nova was to take Soren's advice and implement its data-access layer on top of Cassandra or Riak, we would just end up re-inventing SQL Joins in Python-land. I may very well be wrong(!), but

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-09-30 09:41:29 -0700: On 09/30/2014 08:03 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2014-09-12 1:05 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: If Nova was to take Soren's advice and implement its data-access layer on top of Cassandra or Riak, we would just end up

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-30 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jay Pipes's message of 2014-09-30 09:41:29 -0700: A relational database was built for the above types of queries, and that's why I said it's the best tool for the job *in this specific case*. Now... that said... Is it possible to go through the Nova schema and identify

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-28 Thread Soren Hansen
2014-09-26 17:11 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: On 09/26/2014 06:45 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: Define best. best == most appropriate. #copout -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer |

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-26 Thread Soren Hansen
2014-09-12 1:05 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: If Nova was to take Soren's advice and implement its data-access layer on top of Cassandra or Riak, we would just end up re-inventing SQL Joins in Python-land. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. In Nova at least, the SQL schema

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-26 Thread Jay Pipes
On 09/26/2014 06:45 AM, Soren Hansen wrote: 2014-09-12 1:05 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: If Nova was to take Soren's advice and implement its data-access layer on top of Cassandra or Riak, we would just end up re-inventing SQL Joins in Python-land. I've said it before, and I'll say

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/12/2014 03:29 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-09-11 15:21:26 -0700: On 09/09/14 19:56, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Samuel Merritt's message of 2014-09-09 16:12:09 -0700: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 09/09/14 15:03, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Thierry Carrez
Flavio Percoco wrote: On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: The final question is the one of arbitrary access to messages in the queue (or queue if you prefer). Flavio indicated that this effectively came for free with their implementation of Pub-Sub. IMHO it is unnecessary and limits

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 12:46 -0700, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/09/2014 07:04 PM, Samuel Merritt wrote: On 9/9/14, 4:47 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: The questions now before us are: - should OpenStack include, in the integrated release, a messaging-as-a-service component? I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/12/2014 11:36 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Flavio Percoco wrote: On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: The final question is the one of arbitrary access to messages in the queue (or queue if you prefer). Flavio indicated that this effectively came for free with their implementation of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 11/09/14 19:05, Jay Pipes wrote: On 09/11/2014 04:09 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: Swift is the current exception here, but one could argue, and people have[2], that Swift is also the only project that actually conforms to our stated design tenets for OpenStack. I'd struggle to tell the Zaqar folks

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Zane Bitter
On 12/09/14 04:50, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: However, Zaqar also supports the Pub-Sub model of messaging. I believe, but would like Flavio to confirm, that this is what is meant when the Zaqar team say that Zaqar is about messaging in general and not just

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/12/2014 09:50 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Zaqar supports once and only once delivery. For the transfer from Zaqar to consumers it does (providing the claim id can be recovered). For transfer from producers to Zaqar I believe it is more limited. If the connection to Zaqar fails during a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/12/2014 01:56 PM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 09/12/2014 11:36 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Flavio Percoco wrote: On 09/12/2014 12:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote: The final question is the one of arbitrary access to messages in the queue (or queue if you prefer). Flavio indicated that this

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-12 00:22:35 -0700: On 09/12/2014 03:29 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-09-11 15:21:26 -0700: On 09/09/14 19:56, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Samuel Merritt's message of 2014-09-09 16:12:09 -0700: On

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 04/09/14 08:14, Sean Dague wrote: I've been one of the consistent voices concerned about a hard requirement on adding NoSQL into the mix. So I'll explain that thinking a bit more. I feel like when the TC makes an integration decision previously this has been about evaluating the project

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/09/14 15:03, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-11 Thread Zane Bitter
On 09/09/14 19:56, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Samuel Merritt's message of 2014-09-09 16:12:09 -0700: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-11 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2014-09-11 15:21:26 -0700: On 09/09/14 19:56, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Samuel Merritt's message of 2014-09-09 16:12:09 -0700: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Samuel Merritt's message of 2014-09-09 19:04:58 -0700: On 9/9/14, 4:47 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/10/2014 01:47 AM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that actually does NOT need to diverge in technology in any

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Chris Dent
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014, Samuel Merritt wrote: On 9/9/14, 4:47 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: The questions now before us are: - should OpenStack include, in the integrated release, a messaging-as-a-service component? I certainly think so. I've worked on a few reasonable-scale web applications,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/10/2014 12:47 AM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: As was pointed out in the TC meeting today, Zaqar is (was?) actually aiming to provide Messaging-as-a-Service -- not queueing as a service! This is another way of saying it's more like email and less like AMQP The glossary[1] describes a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/05/2014 12:36 PM, Tim Bell wrote: How can the average deployer know whether a stackforge is a. An early prototype which has completed (such as some of the early LBaaS packages) b. A project which has lost its initial steam and further investment is not foreseen c.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Tim Bell
-Original Message- From: Stefano Maffulli [mailto:stef...@openstack.org] Sent: 10 September 2014 19:29 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting On 09/05/2014 12:36 PM, Tim Bell wrote: How

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/09/2014 07:04 PM, Samuel Merritt wrote: On 9/9/14, 4:47 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that actually

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/10/2014 10:29 AM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 09/05/2014 12:36 PM, Tim Bell wrote: How can the average deployer know whether a stackforge is a. An early prototype which has completed (such as some of the early LBaaS packages) b. A project which has lost its initial steam and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-10 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 09/10/2014 12:56 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: I reject soundly and fundamentally the idea that Open Source projects NEED a commercial ecosystem to provide solid quality software. That's not what I said. I said that assuring the quality of code on a public repository is not necessarily something

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with some comments hoping that it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Samuel Merritt
On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that actually does NOT need to diverge in technology in any way, but that I've been told that it needs to diverge

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Samuel Merritt's message of 2014-09-09 16:12:09 -0700: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 09/04/2014 01:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Kurt Griffiths kurt.griffi...@rackspace.com wrote: [snip] Does a Qpid/Rabbit/Kafka provisioning service make sense? Probably. Would such a service totally overlap in terms of use-cases with Zaqar? Community feedback suggests otherwise. Will there be some other

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Devananda van der Veen's message of 2014-09-09 16:47:27 -0700: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that actually does NOT need to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Adam Lawson
*should OpenStack include, in the integrated release, a messaging-as-a-service component* Assuming this is truly a question that represents where we are and not exploratory of what we might want to address, I would say the answer is a resounding no, as queuing is within the scope of what

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Boris Pavlovic
Devananda, While that is de rigueur today, it's actually at the core of the current problem space. Blessing a project by integrating it is not a scalable long-term solution. We don't have a model to integrate 1 project for the same space // of the same type, or to bless the stability of a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Boris Pavlovic bo...@pavlovic.me wrote: Devananda, While that is de rigueur today, it's actually at the core of the current problem space. Blessing a project by integrating it is not a scalable long-term solution. We don't have a model to integrate 1 project

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-09 Thread Samuel Merritt
On 9/9/14, 4:47 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt s...@swiftstack.com wrote: On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: [snip] So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that actually does NOT need to diverge in technology in any

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/04/2014 07:08 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 06:01:45 -0700: On 09/04/2014 02:14 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/04/2014 03:08 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Thierry Carrez
Tim Bell wrote: -Original Message- From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] Sent: 04 September 2014 16:59 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting Sean Dague wrote: [...] So

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/04/2014 09:44 PM, Kurt Griffiths wrote: Thanks for your comments Gordon. I appreciate where you are coming from and I think we are actually in agreement on a lot of things. I just want to make it clear that from the very beginning of the project the team has tried to communicate (but

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Robert Collins
On 5 September 2014 23:33, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I think realistically a self certification process that would have artifacts in a discoverable place. I was thinking something along the lines of a baseball card interface with a short description of the project, a list of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/05/2014 07:39 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 5 September 2014 23:33, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I think realistically a self certification process that would have artifacts in a discoverable place. I was thinking something along the lines of a baseball card interface with a short

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/04/2014 09:44 PM, Kurt Griffiths wrote: Does a Qpid/Rabbit/Kafka provisioning service make sense? Probably. I think something like that would be valuable, especially in conjunction with some application layer proxying and mapping between 'virtual' addresses/endpoints and specific

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Gordon Sim
On 09/04/2014 01:14 PM, Sean Dague wrote: https://dague.net/2014/08/26/openstack-as-layers/ Just wanted to say that I found this article very useful indeed and agree with the points you make in it. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Victoria Martínez de la Cruz
2014-09-05 9:09 GMT-03:00 Sean Dague s...@dague.net: On 09/05/2014 07:39 AM, Robert Collins wrote: On 5 September 2014 23:33, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I think realistically a self certification process that would have artifacts in a discoverable place. I was thinking something

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Dean Troyer
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:27 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Tim Bell wrote: The one concern I have with a small core is that there is not an easy way to assess the maturity of a project on stackforge. The stackforge projects may be missing packaging, Red Hat testing, puppet

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-05 Thread Tim Bell
] Sent: 05 September 2014 19:11 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:27 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgmailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote: Tim

[openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with some comments hoping that it will help starting a discussion before the next meeting. In addition, I've added some comments about the project

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with some comments hoping that it will help starting a discussion before

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
Hey Clint, Thanks for reading, some comments in-line: On 09/04/2014 10:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: [snip] - Concern on should we really reinvent a queue system rather than piggyback on one As mentioned in the meeting on

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Chris Dent
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014, Flavio Percoco wrote: Thanks for writing this up, interesting read. 5. Ceilometer's recommended storage driver is still MongoDB, although Ceilometer has now support for sqlalchemy. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). For sake of reference: Yes, MongoDB is currently the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Sean Dague
On 09/04/2014 03:08 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with some comments hoping that it will help starting a discussion before the next meeting. In

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/04/2014 01:15 PM, Chris Dent wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2014, Flavio Percoco wrote: Thanks for writing this up, interesting read. Thank you for your feedback :) Some comments in-line. 5. Ceilometer's recommended storage driver is still MongoDB, although Ceilometer has now support for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/04/2014 02:14 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/04/2014 03:08 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed those concerns below with some comments hoping that it will help starting a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: [...] So, honestly, I'll probably remain -1 on the final integration vote, not because Zaqar is bad, but because I'm feeling more firmly that for OpenStack to not leave the small deployers behind we need to redefine the tightly integrated piece of OpenStack to basically the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 09/04/2014 04:59 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Sean Dague wrote: [...] So, honestly, I'll probably remain -1 on the final integration vote, not because Zaqar is bad, but because I'm feeling more firmly that for OpenStack to not leave the small deployers behind we need to redefine the tightly

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 06:01:45 -0700: On 09/04/2014 02:14 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 09/04/2014 03:08 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: Greetings, Last Tuesday the TC held the first graduation review for Zaqar. During the meeting some concerns arose. I've listed

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 02:11:15 -0700: Hey Clint, Thanks for reading, some comments in-line: On 09/04/2014 10:30 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: Excerpts from Flavio Percoco's message of 2014-09-04 00:08:47 -0700: [snip] - Concern on should we really reinvent a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Gordon Sim
Hi Flavio, On 09/04/2014 08:08 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: - Concern on should we really reinvent a queue system rather than piggyback on one As mentioned in the meeting on Tuesday, Zaqar is not reinventing message brokers. Zaqar provides a service akin to SQS from AWS with an OpenStack flavor

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Tim Bell
-Original Message- From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] Sent: 04 September 2014 16:59 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting Sean Dague wrote: [...] So, honestly, I'll

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Anne Gentle
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: -Original Message- From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] Sent: 04 September 2014 16:59 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose

Re: [openstack-dev] [Zaqar] Comments on the concerns arose during the TC meeting

2014-09-04 Thread Kurt Griffiths
Thanks for your comments Gordon. I appreciate where you are coming from and I think we are actually in agreement on a lot of things. I just want to make it clear that from the very beginning of the project the team has tried to communicate (but perhaps could have done a better job at it) that we