Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-30 Thread A, Keshava
Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi keshava, Thanks for interested in Cascading. Here are some very simple explanation: Basically Datacenter is not in the 2-level tree of cascading. We use

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-30 Thread joehuang
( joehuang ) From: A, Keshava [keshav...@hp.com] Sent: 30 October 2014 17:45 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi, Can the VM migration

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-30 Thread Hly
Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang ) From: A, Keshava [keshav...@hp.com] Sent: 30 October 2014 17:45 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-30 Thread Hly
...@hp.com] Sent: 30 October 2014 17:45 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi, Can the VM migration happens across POD (Zone) ? If so then how reachability of VM is addressed

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-30 Thread A, Keshava
) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hello, Keshava Live migration is allowed inside one pod ( one cascaded OpenStack instance ), not support cross pods live migration yet. But cold migration could be done between pods, even cross data centers

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-29 Thread keshava
This is very interesting problem to solve. I am curious to know how the reachability is provided across different Datacenter. How to know which VM is part of which Datacenter? VM may be in different Zone but under same DC or in different DC itself. How this problem is solved? thanks regards,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-29 Thread Wuhongning
: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading This is very interesting problem to solve. I am curious to know how the reachability is provided across different Datacenter. How to know which VM is part of which Datacenter? VM may be in different Zone but under same DC

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-29 Thread joehuang
Chaoyi Hunag ( joehuang ) From: Wuhongning [wuhongn...@huawei.com] Sent: 30 October 2014 10:25 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi keshava

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-23 Thread henry hly
Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi, Good questions: why not just keeping multiple endpoints, and leaving orchestration effort in the client side? From feedback of some large data center

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-23 Thread joehuang
: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi Phil, Thanks for your feedback, and patience of this long history reading :) See comments inline. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Day, Phil philip@hp.com wrote: -Original Message- From: henry hly

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-23 Thread Day, Phil
Hi, -Original Message- From: joehuang [mailto:joehu...@huawei.com] Sent: 23 October 2014 09:59 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi, Because I am not able

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-23 Thread joehuang
From: Day, Phil [philip@hp.com] Sent: 23 October 2014 19:24 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi, -Original Message- From: joehuang [mailto:joehu

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-23 Thread Adam Young
On 10/09/2014 03:36 PM, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 9 October 2014 07:49, henry hly henry4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joshua, ...in fact hierarchical scale depends on square of single child scale. If a single child can deal with 00's to 000's, cascading on it would then deal with 00,000's. That is

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-22 Thread Day, Phil
-Original Message- From: henry hly [mailto:henry4...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 October 2014 09:16 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi, Good questions: why not just

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-09 Thread henry hly
) From: Joshua Harlow [harlo...@outlook.com] Sent: 07 October 2014 12:21 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On Oct 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-09 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 8 October 2014 10:32, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: maybe we should just slap a REST api on it. The challenge of Node-pool REST API is What it will look like for these API, totally new API? current OS-API ?. From cloud operators' feed back, OS-API is preferred. If we developed

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-09 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 9 October 2014 07:49, henry hly henry4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Joshua, ...in fact hierarchical scale depends on square of single child scale. If a single child can deal with 00's to 000's, cascading on it would then deal with 00,000's. That is faulty logic - maybe the cascading solution

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-09 Thread joehuang
Thomas [mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:37 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 9 October 2014 07:49, henry hly henry4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-08 Thread henry hly
questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On Oct 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 09/30/2014 12:07 PM, Tim Bell wrote: -Original Message- From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-08 Thread joehuang
Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 7 October 2014 16:30, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: Second BTW - you're certainly right about the first two in the global list - we keep track of quota

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-08 Thread joehuang
[mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:42 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading My data consistency concerts would be around: 1) Defining global state. You can

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-08 Thread Joshua Harlow
(not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 30 September 2014 14:04, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-07 Thread joehuang
) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 30 September 2014 14:04, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-07 Thread Duncan Thomas
: 07 October 2014 12:21 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On Oct 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: On 09/30/2014 12:07 PM, Tim Bell wrote

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-07 Thread Monty Taylor
) From: Joshua Harlow [harlo...@outlook.com] Sent: 07 October 2014 12:21 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On Oct 3, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Monty Taylor mord

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-07 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 7 October 2014 16:30, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: Second BTW - you're certainly right about the first two in the global list - we keep track of quota and usage ourselves inside of nodepool. Actually - since nodepool already does a bunch of these things - maybe we should just

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-06 Thread Joshua Harlow
: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 30 September 2014 14:04, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-04 Thread henry hly
] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 30 September 2014 14:04, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic OpenStack instance because

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-03 Thread Monty Taylor
On 09/30/2014 12:07 PM, Tim Bell wrote: -Original Message- From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 15:35 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-02 Thread Duncan Thomas
So I have substantial concerns about hierarchy based designs and data mass - the interconnect between leaves in the hierarchy are often going to be fairly thin, particularly if they are geographically distributed, so the semantics of what is allowed to access what data resource (glance, swift,

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-02 Thread joehuang
in the OpenStack cascading? Best Regards Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang ) From: Duncan Thomas [duncan.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 October 2014 18:59 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-02 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 2 October 2014 14:30, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: In our PoC design principle, the cascaded OpenStack should work passively, and has no kowledge whether it is running under cascading senario or not to and whether there is sibling OpenStack or not, to reduce interconnect between

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-02 Thread Tiwari, Arvind
:01 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi, Tiwari, Great to know you are also trying to address similar issues. For sure we are happy to work out a common solution

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-02 Thread joehuang
and date-time. Best Regards Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang ) From: Duncan Thomas [duncan.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 October 2014 22:33 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-02 Thread joehuang
) From: Tiwari, Arvind [arvind.tiw...@hp.com] Sent: 02 October 2014 23:13 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi Huang, Thanks for looking in to my proposal

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Fifield
Hi Joe, On 01/10/14 09:10, joehuang wrote: OpenStack cascading: to integrate multi-site / multi-vendor OpenStack instances into one cloud with OpenStack API exposed. Cells: a single OpenStack instance scale up methodology Just to let you know - there are actually some users out there that

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-01 Thread loy wolfe
Hi Joe and Cellers, I've tried to understand relationship between Cell and Cascading. If Cell has been designed as below, would it be the same as Cascading? 1) Besides Nova, Neutron/Ceilometer.. is also hierarchically structured for scalability. 2) Child-parent interaction is based on REST

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-01 Thread joehuang
Regards Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang ) From: Tom Fifield [t...@openstack.org] Sent: 01 October 2014 15:19 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi Joe, On 01/10/14 09:10

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-01 Thread joehuang
(not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi Joe and Cellers, I've tried to understand relationship between Cell and Cascading. If Cell has been designed as below, would it be the same as Cascading? 1) Besides Nova, Neutron

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-01 Thread joehuang
Huang ( joehuang ) From: Alex Glikson [glik...@il.ibm.com] Sent: 01 October 2014 12:51 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading This sounds related

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-01 Thread Tiwari, Arvind
:[openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic OpenStack instance because

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-10-01 Thread joehuang
...@hp.com] Sent: 02 October 2014 0:42 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hi Chaoyi, Thanks for sharing these information. Sometime back I have stared a project called ÔÇťAlliance

[openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread joehuang
Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic OpenStack instance because of these reasons: 1) Multiple data centers distributed geographically; 2) Multi-vendor business policy; 3) Server nodes

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread John Garbutt
On 30 September 2014 14:04, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic OpenStack instance because of these reasons: 1) Multiple data centers

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread John Griffith
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:35 AM, John Garbutt j...@johngarbutt.com wrote: On 30 September 2014 14:04, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:04 AM, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances(as different zones), rather than a single monolithic OpenStack instance because of these reasons: 1) Multiple data centers

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread Tim Bell
-Original Message- From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 15:35 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 30 September 2014 14:04

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread Joshua Harlow
So this does seem a-lot like cells but makes cells appear in the other projects. IMHO the same problems that occur in cells appear here in that we are sacrificing consistency of the already problematic systems that already exist to gain scale (and to gain more inconsistency). Every time I see a

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread Andrew Laski
On 09/30/2014 03:07 PM, Tim Bell wrote: -Original Message- From: John Garbutt [mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 15:35 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread Adam Young
On 09/30/2014 12:10 PM, John Griffith wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:35 AM, John Garbutt j...@johngarbutt.com mailto:j...@johngarbutt.com wrote: On 30 September 2014 14:04, joehuang joehu...@huawei.com mailto:joehu...@huawei.com wrote: Hello, Dear TC and all, Large

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread joehuang
) From: John Garbutt [j...@johngarbutt.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 21:35 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 30 September 2014 14:04

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread joehuang
for the integration of software / hardware . Best Regards Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang) From: John Griffith [john.griff...@solidfire.com] Sent: 01 October 2014 0:10 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread joehuang
session. Best Regards Chaoyi Hunag ( joehuang ) From: Joe Gordon [joe.gord...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 October 2014 2:06 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread joehuang
) From: Joshua Harlow [harlo...@outlook.com] Sent: 01 October 2014 3:17 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading So this does seem a-lot like cells but makes cells appear

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread joehuang
point of view. Best Regards Chaoyi Huang ( joehuang ) From: Andrew Laski [andrew.la...@rackspace.com] Sent: 01 October 2014 3:49 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread joehuang
( joehuang ) From: Adam Young [ayo...@redhat.com] Sent: 01 October 2014 4:25 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading On 09/30/2014 12:10 PM, John Griffith wrote: On Tue, Sep

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading

2014-09-30 Thread Alex Glikson
Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 30/09/2014 04:08 PM Subject:[openstack-dev] [all] [tc] Multi-clouds integration by OpenStack cascading Hello, Dear TC and all, Large cloud operators prefer to deploy multiple OpenStack instances