Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Jay Pipes wrote: On 10/13/2014 07:11 PM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I guess we could also start fleshing out in the repo how we'll work in practice too (eg once the document is stable what process do we have for making changes - two +2's is probably not adequate for something like this). We

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Alex Xu
On 2014年10月14日 12:52, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:20:32 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 07:11 PM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:26 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:05 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/14/2014 12:52 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:20:32 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 07:11 PM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:26 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:05 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Everett Toews
On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: I personally think proposing patches to an openstack-api repository is the most effective way to make those proposals. Etherpads and wiki pages are fine for dumping content, but IMO, we don't need to dump content -- we already

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Lance Bragstad
I found a couple of free times available for a weekly meeting if people are interested: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128332/2 Not sure if a meeting time has been hashed out already or not, and if it has I'll change the patch accordingly. If not, we can iterate on possible meeting times in

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Ian Cordasco
On 10/14/14, 10:22 AM, Everett Toews everett.to...@rackspace.com wrote: On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: I personally think proposing patches to an openstack-api repository is the most effective way to make those proposals. Etherpads and wiki pages are fine for

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Ed Leafe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/14/2014 10:22 AM, Everett Toews wrote: I personally think proposing patches to an openstack-api repository is the most effective way to make those proposals. Etherpads and wiki pages are fine for dumping content, but IMO, we don't need to

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:57:01 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2014 05:04 AM, Alex Xu wrote: There is one reason to think about what projects *currently* do. When we choice which convention we want. For example, the CamelCase and snake_case, if the most project use

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:29:34 -0500 Lance Bragstad lbrags...@gmail.com wrote: I found a couple of free times available for a weekly meeting if people are interested: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128332/2 Not sure if a meeting time has been hashed out already or not, and if it has I'll

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Lance Bragstad
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Yeoh cbky...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:29:34 -0500 Lance Bragstad lbrags...@gmail.com wrote: I found a couple of free times available for a weekly meeting if people are interested: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128332/2

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:45:44 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2014 12:52 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:20:32 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 07:11 PM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:26 -0400 And whilst

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Oct 14, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Lance Bragstad lbrags...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Christopher Yeoh cbky...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:29:34 -0500 Lance Bragstad lbrags...@gmail.com wrote: I found a couple of free times available for a weekly meeting

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Zhipeng Huang
Hi all, to my understanding we certainly don't want developers to arbitrarily extend APIs which would lead to a lot of mess, however we still need to find a way to standardize how we augment existing APIs since they are not perfect either. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Doug Hellmann

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread Alex Xu
On 2014年10月14日 21:57, Jay Pipes wrote: On 10/14/2014 05:04 AM, Alex Xu wrote: There is one reason to think about what projects *currently* do. When we choice which convention we want. For example, the CamelCase and snake_case, if the most project use snake_case, then choice snake_case style

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread GHANSHYAM MANN
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Christopher Yeoh cbky...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:45:44 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2014 12:52 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:20:32 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2014

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
Zhipeng Huang wrote: HI all, will we have a discussion on this issun at Paris Summit? I expect the API WG to propose API discussions within the Cross-project workshops track and get space granted to them. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics Cheers, -- Thierry

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/10/2014 02:05 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I agree with what you've written on the wiki page. I think our priority needs to be to flesh out https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIGuidelines so we have something to reference when reviewing specs. At the moment I see that

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Russell Bryant
On 10/10/2014 12:09 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: Thanks for getting this going, Everett! Comments inline... On 10/08/2014 07:05 PM, Everett Toews wrote: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group This is the start of the API Working Group (API WG). yay! :) To avoid bike shedding over

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/13/2014 11:10 AM, Russell Bryant wrote: On 10/10/2014 12:09 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: Thanks for getting this going, Everett! Comments inline... On 10/08/2014 07:05 PM, Everett Toews wrote: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group This is the start of the API Working Group (API

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
Zhipeng Huang wrote: THX for the link ! So we will have the workshop on Nov 3th at Meridien Etoile Hotel? The workshops happen on the 4th (Tuesday). -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:26 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:05 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I agree with what you've written on the wiki page. I think our priority needs to be to flesh out https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIGuidelines so we

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Jay Pipes
On 10/13/2014 07:11 PM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:26 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:05 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I agree with what you've written on the wiki page. I think our priority needs to be to flesh out

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Ken'ichi Ohmichi
2014-10-13 16:52 GMT+02:00 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com: On 10/10/2014 02:05 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I agree with what you've written on the wiki page. I think our priority needs to be to flesh out https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIGuidelines so we have something to

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-13 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:20:32 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 07:11 PM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:52:26 -0400 Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/10/2014 02:05 AM, Christopher Yeoh wrote: I agree with what you've written on the wiki

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-12 Thread Zhipeng Huang
HI all, will we have a discussion on this issun at Paris Summit? On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Preston L. Bannister pres...@bannister.us wrote: Tricky. First, I am new to OpenStack, and as such tend to want to shut-up and listen. Second, I have done APIs for distributed systems for over

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-11 Thread Jay Pipes
Thanks for getting this going, Everett! Comments inline... On 10/08/2014 07:05 PM, Everett Toews wrote: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group This is the start of the API Working Group (API WG). yay! :) To avoid bike shedding over the name of the working group, I decided to

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-11 Thread Preston L. Bannister
Tricky. First, I am new to OpenStack, and as such tend to want to shut-up and listen. Second, I have done APIs for distributed systems for over 30 years. Yes, I got in very early. As such I am guilty of or saw lots of bad examples. Also I found patterns that worked very well. That said, the

Re: [openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-10 Thread Christopher Yeoh
Hi Everett, Great to see things moving with the API Working Group! On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Everett Toews everett.to...@rackspace.com wrote: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group This is the start of the API Working Group (API WG). To avoid bike shedding over the name of

[openstack-dev] [api] Forming the API Working Group

2014-10-08 Thread Everett Toews
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group This is the start of the API Working Group (API WG). To avoid bike shedding over the name of the working group, I decided to title the wiki page API Working Group. Simple, to the point, and avoids loaded terms like standards, best practices,