Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-10-02 Thread Mike Spreitzer
FYI, I have refined my pictures at https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y_yyIpql5_cdC8116XrBHzn6GfP_g0NHTTG_W4o0R9U and https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1TCfNwzH_NBnx3bNz-GQQ1bRVgBpJdstpu0lH_TONw6g to hopefully make it clearer that I agree with the sentiment that holistic infrastructure

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-10-01 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Georgy Okrokvertskhov's message of 2013-09-30 11:44:26 -0700: Hi, I am working on the OpenStack project Murano which actually had to solve the same problem with software level orchestration. Right now Murano has a DSL language which allows you to define a workflow for a complex

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-10-01 Thread Robert Collins
On 1 October 2013 19:31, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: TripleO meets at 2000 UTC every Tuesday. 1900UTC. :) -Rob -- Robert Collins rbtcoll...@hp.com Distinguished Technologist HP Converged Cloud ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-10-01 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Hi Mike and Zane, Le 27/09/2013 15:58, Mike Spreitzer a écrit : Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 09/27/2013 08:24:49 AM: Your diagrams clearly show scheduling happening in a separate stage to (infrastructure) orchestration, which is to say that at the point where resources are

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-10-01 Thread Thomas Spatzier
Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 01.10.2013 08:31:44 - Excerpt: From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 01.10.2013 08:33 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-30 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi, I am working on the OpenStack project Murano which actually had to solve the same problem with software level orchestration. Right now Murano has a DSL language which allows you to define a workflow for a complex service deployment. Murano uses Heat for infrastructure managements and actually

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-27 Thread Zane Bitter
On 25/09/13 07:03, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Zane wrote: To take the first example, wouldn't your holistic scheduler effectively have to reserve a compute instance and some directly attached block storage prior to actually creating them? Have you considered Climate rather than Heat as an

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-27 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 09/27/2013 08:24:49 AM: Your diagrams clearly show scheduling happening in a separate stage to (infrastructure) orchestration, which is to say that at the point where resources are scheduled, their actual creation is in the *future*. I am not a

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-27 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Sorry, I was a bit too hasty in writing the last part of my last message; I forgot to qualify software orchestration to indicate I am speaking only of its preparatory phase. I should have written: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 09/27/2013 08:24:49 AM: ... If I understood your

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-26 Thread Steven Hardy
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:04:54PM +0200, Thomas Spatzier wrote: Excerpt from Clint's mail on 25.09.2013 22:23:07: I think we already have some summit suggestions for discussing HOT, it would be good to come prepared with some visions for the future of HOT so that we can hash these

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-24 22:03:21 -0700: Let me elaborate a little on my thoughts about software orchestration, and respond to the recent mails from Zane and Debo. I have expanded my picture at

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Spatzier
Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote on 25.09.2013 08:46:57: From: Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com To: openstack-dev openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 25.09.2013 08:48 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Clint wrote: There is a third stealth-objective that CFN has caused to linger in Heat. That is packaging cloud applications. By allowing the 100% concrete CFN template to stand alone, users can ship the template. IMO this marrying of software assembly, config, and orchestration is a

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Clint Byrum
] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration) Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-09-24 22:03:21 -0700: Let me elaborate a little on my thoughts about software orchestration, and respond to the recent mails from Zane and Debo. I have expanded my

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Spatzier
Excerpt from Clint's mail on 25.09.2013 22:23:07: I think we already have some summit suggestions for discussing HOT, it would be good to come prepared with some visions for the future of HOT so that we can hash these things out, so I'd like to see this discussion continue. Absolutely! Can

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat] [scheduler] Bringing things together for Icehouse (now featuring software orchestration)

2013-09-24 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Let me elaborate a little on my thoughts about software orchestration, and respond to the recent mails from Zane and Debo. I have expanded my picture at https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Y_yyIpql5_cdC8116XrBHzn6GfP_g0NHTTG_W4o0R9U and added a companion picture at