Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] User survey question

[Jim Rollenhagen]

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Dmitry Tantsur  wrote:

> On 01/04/2017 07:43 PM, Mario Villaplana wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>

> - What's been your most frustrating or difficult experience with ironic?
>>
>
> I wanted to suggest this ^^^ question as well, thanks Mario.
>

FYI, this is the one I sent in. Thanks for the suggestions.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] User survey question

[Dmitry Tantsur]

On 01/04/2017 07:43 PM, Mario Villaplana wrote:

Hi,

Here are some questions I've thought of:

TESTING / INTERESTED

- What is your use case for ironic?
- What, if anything, is preventing you from using ironic in a
production environment?
- What alternatives to ironic have you considered?

USING

- What new features would you like to see added to ironic?
- What are some gaps in ironic's documentation you'd like to see fixed?
- What's been your most frustrating or difficult experience with ironic?


I wanted to suggest this ^^^ question as well, thanks Mario.


- Does anyone at your organization contribute to ironic software
development upstream? (may want to rephrase "upstream" in case they're
not familiar with the term)
- What parts of your ironic deployment do you monitor, and how do you
monitor it?

Thanks for asking the community for questions.

Mario




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[openstack-dev] [ironic] User survey question

[Galyna Zholtkevych]

Hello,

I would like to use this opportunity upcoming to decide things related to
one of features that I am implementing.

To prevent lost-update problem, the user in the next Ironic API versions
will have the ability to use the entity tag for each resource.
Thus, in order to send conditional request he has to have at least some
representation on client side.

So there is a question on how to implement better storing resource (with
ETAG) representation in ironic CLI (see
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381991/)

The proposals are following, I will specify some in the spec:

- During update send get and afterwards update with current representation
(descreases performance and changes the general behaviour, but hides the
behaviour from user)

- Force user to do ``ironic node-show `` and afterwards he will do
update
putting entity tag manually

- Or he may be advised to do sth like

``node=$(ironic node-show )``

and then he can send sth like

``ironic node-update $node``and resource will call manager and update
itself (doing it through the resource is the similar way in
python-novaclient for some requests).

In these two last cases user is forced again to do additional actions to
perform a simple command. Need to be discussed if it is a good way to
change behaviour like that


- Cache resource representation at client side using e.g. requests-cache

- Cache resource representation at ironic api middleware (or contribute
caching to pecan to make it available for other projects)

There are many conflicting opinions basically on this question, so need to
be decided in which direction to go, and what is the most reasonable,
standard, logical manner.

Thank you for comments in advance.



Best regards,
Galyna Zholtkevych
Mirantis Inc

IRC nickname:galyna
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] User survey question

[Don maillist]

One thought I had. And it may not be appropriate:

Do you use or have you considered using Ironic for non X86 based systems
(arm, powerpc, etc)?
Are you in the telecom industry? Should Ironic support ATCA based systems
to make use of older hardware?

I am facing a potential project in the next few months where I basically
have to do both and would be interested in working with others who might do
the same.

//Don

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Jim Rollenhagen 
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> We have an opportunity to ask a question on the upcoming User Survey,
> which will launch by February 1st. We can choose the audience to direct
> the question to, choosing from those USING, TESTING, or INTERESTED
> in Ironic (or some combination of these).
>
> The hope is that the Foundation folks can get us the raw answers before
> the PTG.
>
> So, Ironicers, what question would you like to ask users, and which group
> of
> users would you like to ask?
>
> // jim
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] User survey question

[Mario Villaplana]

Hi,

Here are some questions I've thought of:

TESTING / INTERESTED

- What is your use case for ironic?
- What, if anything, is preventing you from using ironic in a
production environment?
- What alternatives to ironic have you considered?

USING

- What new features would you like to see added to ironic?
- What are some gaps in ironic's documentation you'd like to see fixed?
- What's been your most frustrating or difficult experience with ironic?
- Does anyone at your organization contribute to ironic software
development upstream? (may want to rephrase "upstream" in case they're
not familiar with the term)
- What parts of your ironic deployment do you monitor, and how do you
monitor it?

Thanks for asking the community for questions.

Mario

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> from my part, if it would be appropriate, I'd like to use this opportunity
> to estimate the iPXE adoption.
>
> So the question targeting those USING and TESTING ironic would be:
>
> - does the hardware you are managing with ironic support iPXE?
> - do you use ironic with iPXE enabled? ("[pxe]ipxe_enabled = True" in
> ironic.conf)
>
> Another question would be to estimate the base of users that use
> iscsi_deploy feature and also the vendor-specific drivers. So questions for
> those USING and TESTING ironic would be:
>
> - do you rely on iscsi-based deploy method or agent-based one?
> - do you rely on common drivers like agent_ipmotool or pxe_ipmitool, or use
> vendor-specific drivers like ilo_*, drac_* etc? if using vendor specific
> drivers, what features of those are the reason for such choice?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dr. Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
> Senior Software Engineer
> Mirantis Inc
> www.mirantis.com
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Jim Rollenhagen 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> We have an opportunity to ask a question on the upcoming User Survey,
>> which will launch by February 1st. We can choose the audience to direct
>> the question to, choosing from those USING, TESTING, or INTERESTED
>> in Ironic (or some combination of these).
>>
>> The hope is that the Foundation folks can get us the raw answers before
>> the PTG.
>>
>> So, Ironicers, what question would you like to ask users, and which group
>> of
>> users would you like to ask?
>>
>> // jim
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] User survey question

[Pavlo Shchelokovskyy]

Hi,

from my part, if it would be appropriate, I'd like to use this opportunity
to estimate the iPXE adoption.

So the question targeting those USING and TESTING ironic would be:

- does the hardware you are managing with ironic support iPXE?
- do you use ironic with iPXE enabled? ("[pxe]ipxe_enabled = True" in
ironic.conf)

Another question would be to estimate the base of users that use
iscsi_deploy feature and also the vendor-specific drivers. So questions for
those USING and TESTING ironic would be:

- do you rely on iscsi-based deploy method or agent-based one?
- do you rely on common drivers like agent_ipmotool or pxe_ipmitool, or use
vendor-specific drivers like ilo_*, drac_* etc? if using vendor specific
drivers, what features of those are the reason for such choice?

Cheers,

Dr. Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
Senior Software Engineer
Mirantis Inc
www.mirantis.com

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Jim Rollenhagen 
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> We have an opportunity to ask a question on the upcoming User Survey,
> which will launch by February 1st. We can choose the audience to direct
> the question to, choosing from those USING, TESTING, or INTERESTED
> in Ironic (or some combination of these).
>
> The hope is that the Foundation folks can get us the raw answers before
> the PTG.
>
> So, Ironicers, what question would you like to ask users, and which group
> of
> users would you like to ask?
>
> // jim
>
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[openstack-dev] [ironic] User survey question

[Jim Rollenhagen]

Hey all,

We have an opportunity to ask a question on the upcoming User Survey,
which will launch by February 1st. We can choose the audience to direct
the question to, choosing from those USING, TESTING, or INTERESTED
in Ironic (or some combination of these).

The hope is that the Foundation folks can get us the raw answers before
the PTG.

So, Ironicers, what question would you like to ask users, and which group of
users would you like to ask?

// jim
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