Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2014-01-08 Thread Erik Moe
I feel that we are getting quite far away from supporting my use case. Use case: VM wants to connect to different 'normal' Neutron networks from one VNIC. VLANs are proposed in blueprint since it's a common way to separate 'networks'. It is just a way to connect to different Neutron networks, it do

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-23 Thread Ian Wells
I think we have two different cases here - one where a 'trunk' network passes all VLANs, which is potentially supportable by anything that's not based on VLANs for separation, and one where a trunk can't feasibly do that but where we could make it pass a restricted set of VLANs by mapping. In the

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-21 Thread Erik Moe
Hi Ian, I think your VLAN trunking capability proposal can be a good thing, so the user can request a Neutron network that can trunk VLANs without caring about detailed information regarding which VLANs to pass. This could be used for use cases there user wants to pass VLANs between endpoints on a

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-19 Thread Ian Wells
On 19 December 2013 06:35, Isaku Yamahata wrote: > > Hi Ian. > > I can't see your proposal. Can you please make it public viewable? > Crap, sorry - fixed. > > Even before I read the document I could list three use cases. Eric's > > covered some of them himself. > > I'm not against trunking. >

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-18 Thread Yi Sun
Ian, Could you unlock your doc at https://docs.google.com/document/d/16DDJLYHxMmbCPO5LxW_kp610oj4goiic_oTakJiXjTs? It require a permission to read. Thanks Yi On 12/18/13, 4:20 AM, Ian Wells wrote: A Neutron network is analagous to a wire between ports. We can do almost everything with this wi

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-18 Thread Isaku Yamahata
Hi Ian. I can't see your proposal. Can you please make it public viewable? Some comments inlined below. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:20:50PM +0100, Ian Wells wrote: > A Neutron network is analagous to a wire between ports. We can do almost > everything with this wire - we can pass both IP and

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-18 Thread Ian Wells
A Neutron network is analagous to a wire between ports. We can do almost everything with this wire - we can pass both IP and non-IP traffic, I can even pass MPLS traffic over it (yes, I tried). For no rational reason, at least if you live north of the API, I sometimes can't pass VLAN traffic ove

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-17 Thread Yi Sun
On 12/17/13, 6:36 AM, Erik Moe wrote: Hi, thanks for your comments. see answers below. Thanks, Erik On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Isaku Yamahata mailto:isaku.yamah...@gmail.com>> wrote: Added openstack-dev The document is view-only. So I commented below. - 2 Modeling p

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-17 Thread Erik Moe
Hi, thanks for your comments. see answers below. Thanks, Erik On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Isaku Yamahata wrote: > Added openstack-dev > > The document is view-only. So I commented below. > > - 2 Modeling proposal > What's the purpose of trunk network? > Can you please add a use case

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-17 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Isaku Yamahata wrote: > Added openstack-dev > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:34:05PM +0100, > Erik Moe wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have added a new document to the launchpad. Document should now be more >> in line with what we discussed at the Icehouse summit. >> >> ht

[openstack-dev] [neutron] Re: [Blueprint vlan-aware-vms] VLAN aware VMs

2013-12-16 Thread Isaku Yamahata
Added openstack-dev On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:34:05PM +0100, Erik Moe wrote: > Hi, > > I have added a new document to the launchpad. Document should now be more > in line with what we discussed at the Icehouse summit. > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vlan-aware-vms > > Doc: