Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-26 Thread Day, Phil
-Original Message- From: Ahmed RAHAL [mailto:ara...@iweb.com] Sent: 25 June 2014 20:25 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show? Le 2014-06-25 14:26, Day, Phil a écrit : -Original

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-25 Thread Belmiro Moreira
I like the current behavior of not changing the VM state if nova-compute goes down. The cloud operators can identify the issue in the compute node and try to fix it without users noticing. Depending in the problem I can inform users if instances are affected and change the state if necessary. I

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-25 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/25/2014 04:28 AM, Belmiro Moreira wrote: I like the current behavior of not changing the VM state if nova-compute goes down. The cloud operators can identify the issue in the compute node and try to fix it without users noticing. Depending in the problem I can inform users if

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-25 Thread Day, Phil
-Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] Sent: 25 June 2014 11:49 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show? On 06/25/2014 04:28 AM, Belmiro

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-25 Thread Joe Gordon
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Day, Phil philip@hp.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] Sent: 25 June 2014 11:49 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-25 Thread Ahmed RAHAL
Le 2014-06-25 14:26, Day, Phil a écrit : -Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] Sent: 25 June 2014 11:49 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Jun 18, 2014 3:03 PM, Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com wrote: The output of nova list and nova show reflects the current status in the database, not the actual state on the compute node. If the instances in question are on a compute node that is currently down, then the information

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Russell Bryant
On 06/24/2014 04:42 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Jun 18, 2014 3:03 PM, Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com mailto:chris.frie...@windriver.com wrote: The output of nova list and nova show reflects the current status in the database, not the actual state on the compute node. If the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Jun 24, 2014 2:31 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 06/24/2014 04:42 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Jun 18, 2014 3:03 PM, Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com mailto:chris.frie...@windriver.com wrote: The output of nova list and nova show reflects the current status

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Rick Jones
On 06/24/2014 02:38 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: I agree nova shouldn't take any actions. But I don't think leaving an instance as 'active' is right either. I was thinking move instance to error state (maybe an unknown state would be more accurate) and let the user deal with it, versus just letting

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Jun 24, 2014 2:47 PM, Rick Jones rick.jon...@hp.com wrote: On 06/24/2014 02:38 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: I agree nova shouldn't take any actions. But I don't think leaving an instance as 'active' is right either. I was thinking move instance to error state (maybe an unknown state would be

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message - From: Rick Jones rick.jon...@hp.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org On 06/24/2014 02:38 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: I agree nova shouldn't take any actions. But I don't think leaving an instance as

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Rick Jones
On 06/24/2014 02:53 PM, Steve Gordon wrote: - Original Message - From: Rick Jones rick.jon...@hp.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org On 06/24/2014 02:38 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: I agree nova shouldn't take any actions.

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Ahmed RAHAL
Le 2014-06-24 17:38, Joe Gordon a écrit : On Jun 24, 2014 2:31 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: There be dragons here. Just because Nova doesn't see the node reporting in, doesn't mean the VMs aren't actually still running. I think this needs to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Ahmed RAHAL ara...@iweb.com wrote: Le 2014-06-24 17:38, Joe Gordon a écrit : On Jun 24, 2014 2:31 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: There be dragons here. Just because Nova doesn't see the node reporting in,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Ahmed RAHAL ara...@iweb.com wrote: Le 2014-06-24 17:38, Joe Gordon a écrit : On Jun 24, 2014 2:31 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com mailto:rbry...@redhat.com wrote: There

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Chris Behrens
I don't think we should be flipping states for instances on a potentially downed compute. We definitely should not set an instance to ERROR. I think a time associated with the last power state check might be nice and be good enough. - Chris On Jun 24, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Joe Gordon

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-24 Thread Ahmed RAHAL
Hi, Le 2014-06-24 20:12, Joe Gordon a écrit : Finally, assuming the customer had access to this 'unknown' state information, what would he be able to do with it ? Usually he has no lever to 'evacuate' or 'recover' the VM. All he could do is spawn another instance to replace the

[openstack-dev] [nova] should we have a stale data indication in nova list/show?

2014-06-18 Thread Chris Friesen
The output of nova list and nova show reflects the current status in the database, not the actual state on the compute node. If the instances in question are on a compute node that is currently down, then the information is stale and possibly incorrect. Would there be any benefit in adding