Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-21 Thread Vilobh Meshram
lemented an extra layer of quota management > system, and we could use it as a decision point. > > > > Best regards, > > Honbgin > > > > *From:* Adrian Otto [mailto:adrian.o...@rackspace.com] > *Sent:* December-20-15 12:50 PM > *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (n

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-21 Thread Hongbin Lu
m, and we could use it as a decision point. Best regards, Honbgin From: Adrian Otto [mailto:adrian.o...@rackspace.com] Sent: December-20-15 12:50 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources This

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-21 Thread Hongbin Lu
Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Thanks Adrian and Tim, I saw that @Vilobh already uploaded a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259201/ here, perhaps we can first have a spec and discuss there. ;-) On Mon, Dec

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-21 Thread Jay Lau
>> >> >> Also, we can reference other platform-level services (like Trove and >> Sahara) to see if they implemented an extra layer of quota management >> system, and we could use it as a decision point. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Honbg

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-20 Thread Jay Lau
> (e.g. Nova and vCPUs). > > > > Lee > > > > On Dec 16, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Tim Bell <tim.b...@cern.ch> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com <cl...@fewbar.com>] > Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 > T

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-20 Thread Tim Bell
sage- From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org <mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Hi! Can I offer a counte

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-20 Thread Jay Lau
ces > (e.g. Nova and vCPUs). > > Lee > > On Dec 16, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Tim Bell <tim.b...@cern.ch> wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com <cl...@fewbar.com>] > Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 > To: openstack-dev <openstack-

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-20 Thread Adrian Otto
ecember 2015 22:40 To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Hi! Can I offer a counter point? Quotas are for _real_ resources. The CERN container specialist

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Vilobh Meshram
consume too many of them. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > From: Tim Bell [tim.b...@cern.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:56 AM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-de

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Lee Calcote
December 2015 22:40 >> To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> <mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum >> Resources >> >> Hi! Can I offer a counter point? &

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Adrian Otto
Clint, > On Dec 16, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Tim Bell <tim.b...@cern.ch> wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] >> Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 >> To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Fox, Kevin M
...@cern.ch] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:56 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources > -Original Message- > From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] > Sent: 15 December 2

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2015-12-16 12:19:59 -0800: > keypairs are real though. they consume database resource at the moment. You > don't want a user blowing out your db. Quota's should be for things that ops > will get sad over, if the users consume too many of them. > Limit

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Tim Bell
> -Original Message- > From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] > Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 > To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum > Resources > > Hi! Can I offe

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread James Bottomley
Dec 16, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Tim Bell <tim.b...@cern.ch tim.b...@cern.ch>> wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] > Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 > To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org openstack-dev@lists.openstac

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 > >> To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum > >> Resources > >> > >> Hi! Can I offer a counter point? > >> > >> Quotas a

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread James Bottomley
r 2015 22:40 > > > To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum > > > Resources > > > > > > Hi! Can I offer a counter point? > > > > > > Quotas are fo

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Adrian Otto
..@cern.ch>> wrote: -Original Message- From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] Sent: 15 December 2015 22:40 To: openstack-dev <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Adrian Otto's message of 2015-12-16 16:56:39 -0800: > Clint, > > I think you are categorically dismissing a very real ops challenge of how to > set correct system limits, and how to adjust them in a running system. I have > been stung by this challenge repeatedly over the years.

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2015-12-16 16:05:29 -0800: > Yeah, as an op, I've run into a few things that need quota's that just have > basically hardcoded values. heat stacks for example. its a single global in > /etc/heat/heat.conf:max_stacks_per_tenant=100. Instead of being able to

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Adrian Otto
Clint, I think you are categorically dismissing a very real ops challenge of how to set correct system limits, and how to adjust them in a running system. I have been stung by this challenge repeatedly over the years. As developers we *guess* at what a sensible default for a value will be for

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Fox, Kevin M
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Excerpts from Fox, Kevin M's message of 2015-12-16 16:05:29 -0800: > Yeah, as an op, I've run into a few things that need quota's that just have > basically hardcoded values. heat stacks for example. its a single

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-16 Thread Fox, Kevin M
questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:25 PM, James Bottomley <james.bottom...@hansenpartnership.com<mailto:james.bottom...@hansenpartnership.com>> wrote: On Wed, 2015-12-16 at 20:35 +, Adrian Otto wrote: Clint

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-15 Thread Adrian Otto
sage questions) <openst...@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openst...@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Hi All, Currently, it is possible to create unlimited number of resource like bay/pod/service/. In Magnum, there should be a limit

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-15 Thread Tim Bell
questions) <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Cc: OpenStack Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openst...@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Vilobh, Thanks for advancing this important topic. I took a look

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-15 Thread Vilobh Meshram
015 18:44 > *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) < > openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > *Cc:* OpenStack Mailing List (not for usage questions) < > openst...@lists.openstack.org> > *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota f

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-15 Thread Egor Guz
openstack.org>> Cc: OpenStack Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openst...@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openst...@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Vilobh, Thanks for advancing this important topic. I took a look at what

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Hi! Can I offer a counter point? Quotas are for _real_ resources. Memory, CPU, disk, bandwidth. These are all _closely_ tied to things that cost real money and cannot be conjured from thin air. As such, the user being able to allocate 1 billion or 2 containers is not limited by Magnum, but by

[openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-14 Thread Vilobh Meshram
Hi All, Currently, it is possible to create unlimited number of resource like bay/pod/service/. In Magnum, there should be a limitation for user or project to create Magnum resource, and the limitation should be configurable[1]. I proposed following design :- 1. Introduce new table

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources

2015-12-14 Thread Tim Bell
] [openstack][magnum] Quota for Magnum Resources Hi All, Currently, it is possible to create unlimited number of resource like bay/pod/service/. In Magnum, there should be a limitation for user or project to create Magnum resource, and the limitation should be configurable[1]. I propos