Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote: On 2013-11-05 16:28:11 +0800 (+0800), Christopher Yeoh wrote: [...] I think the most critical component is the audio. An audio stream with multiple mic pickups throughout the room may be sufficient and you can't rely on people remembering to speak into microphones when the conversation is moving around the room a lot. [...] This sounds like good feedback in favor of the current Asterisk server approach. Perhaps we should dogfood it for remote participation in upcoming team sprints? I think it would be a good place to start as with much lower bandwidth requirements it should be a lot easier to make it reliable (high quality audio is I think much better than mediocore audio/video combined). Chris ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.orgwrote: On 11/01/2013 05:33 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: I was wondering, since there is a lot of people who cannot attend Design Sessions, if we can help them to be present at least in some way. We tried in the past to setup systems to enable remote participation in a generic way (give a URL per each session and hope somebody joins it from remote) but never had enough return to justify the effort put in the production. I'd be interested to learn about your experiments: are you thinking of some specific set of people that you need to get involved remotely or you just want to provide the remote URL for anybody that wants to join? I attended a few Nova sessions remotely at the Havana summit, actively participating in one. I was at the other end of a Google Hangout on a colleague's laptop. IMO video doesn't really matter as the most critical thing to see is the etherpad which can be viewed easily. Most of the time I ended up typing directly into the etherpad to communicate back to the session (and people were looking out for comments). I think the most critical component is the audio. An audio stream with multiple mic pickups throughout the room may be sufficient and you can't rely on people remembering to speak into microphones when the conversation is moving around the room a lot. And it's never going to be as good as attending in person. Chris /stef -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.orgwrote: This lead us to give up trying for Hong Kong. We searched for alternatives (see the infra meeting logs a few months back and my personal experiments [1] based on UDS experience) and the only solid one was to use a land line to call in the crucial people that *have to* be in a session. In the end I and Thierry made a judgement call to drop that too because we didn't hear anyone demanding it and setting them up in a reliable way for all sessions required a lot of efforts (that in the past we felt went wasted anyway). Ah, bad planning on my part. I was kind of counting on the remote access just getting better and better. I'll just have to play catchup afterwards. As I'm unable to be there this week. -- -dave ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
Hello community, I was wondering, since there is a lot of people who cannot attend Design Sessions, if we can help them to be present at least in some way. My thinking was going in the way of doing a hangout from the session. However hangout has limited audience of 10 people, so what we can do is to go 'on air' and do a youtube stream of it. We can paste its link into the official etherpad of the session, so it will be spread to targeted audience without any limitations then. Do you think it will be all possible? Is the internet connection powerful enough to handle this load? Or do you have other ideas how to make sessions more available? Cheers -- Jarda ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
Jarda, Here are some lessons learned from a friend who is on a team that used Google Hangout - http://drbacchus.com/google-hangout-lessons-learned -- dims On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: Hello community, I was wondering, since there is a lot of people who cannot attend Design Sessions, if we can help them to be present at least in some way. My thinking was going in the way of doing a hangout from the session. However hangout has limited audience of 10 people, so what we can do is to go 'on air' and do a youtube stream of it. We can paste its link into the official etherpad of the session, so it will be spread to targeted audience without any limitations then. Do you think it will be all possible? Is the internet connection powerful enough to handle this load? Or do you have other ideas how to make sessions more available? Cheers -- Jarda ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On 2013/01/11 13:48, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Jarda, Here are some lessons learned from a friend who is on a team that used Google Hangout - http://drbacchus.com/google-hangout-lessons-learned -- dims Awesome, thanks a lot for this cheat sheet :) I have done couple of them, having quite a good experience with this concept, so I think it might work well for our needs -- Jarda ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On 11/01/2013 05:33 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: I was wondering, since there is a lot of people who cannot attend Design Sessions, if we can help them to be present at least in some way. We tried in the past to setup systems to enable remote participation in a generic way (give a URL per each session and hope somebody joins it from remote) but never had enough return to justify the effort put in the production. I'd be interested to learn about your experiments: are you thinking of some specific set of people that you need to get involved remotely or you just want to provide the remote URL for anybody that wants to join? /stef -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On Nov 1, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Stefano Maffulli stef...@openstack.org wrote: On 11/01/2013 05:33 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: I was wondering, since there is a lot of people who cannot attend Design Sessions, if we can help them to be present at least in some way. We tried in the past to setup systems to enable remote participation in a generic way (give a URL per each session and hope somebody joins it from remote) but never had enough return to justify the effort put in the production. I'd be interested to learn about your experiments: are you thinking of some specific set of people that you need to get involved remotely or you just want to provide the remote URL for anybody that wants to join? I won't be able to attend the HK summit, but I'm going to be trying to follow along with the etherpads for the Horizon sessions. Jarda and I were chatting about how I could be more involved via Google Hangout for some of the UX design discussions we are looking to have. It could be just me that wants to attend remotely, though :) Maybe more people would be more interested in this now that the summits have grown larger and have gone global? Thanks for any thoughts on what may or may not work in this space, Liz /stef -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On 2013/01/11 18:42, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 11/01/2013 05:33 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: I was wondering, since there is a lot of people who cannot attend Design Sessions, if we can help them to be present at least in some way. We tried in the past to setup systems to enable remote participation in a generic way (give a URL per each session and hope somebody joins it from remote) but never had enough return to justify the effort put in the production. I'd be interested to learn about your experiments: are you thinking of some specific set of people that you need to get involved remotely or you just want to provide the remote URL for anybody that wants to join? /stef I'll try to be more specific. I started to think about that because there are definitely people who are interested in sessions but they cannot attend from various reasons. It is also worth to document discussions. I know that we keep etherpads, but it can happen that they might miss some details or actually good thoughts which were mentioned during conversations. Since I have quite good experience with using these hangouts on air, I wanted to propose it as a general way how to get our sessions more accessible. Lot of people are asking how they can get more involved and I received very positive feedback for streaming; so I believe that the audience is definitely there. I think what we can do (and it won't take a lot of extra effort) is: * Setup a Google+ account (if not already existing) * Before session, log in and start hangout on air: https://www.google.com/+/learnmore/hangouts/onair.html * CopyPaste youtube stream link to official etherpad * Point webcam to the right spot * Right before the session press 'Start broadcast' * People who are interested in the session just follow the link (stream) * Stop broadcasting in the end of session. Concerns: - 10 people for hangout (but no limitation for youtube streaming) - Stream is delayed about 30 seconds from reality (more difficult interaction for QA) - I am not sure about acoustic conditions, if discussions will be loud enough (hope it will be fine). I would like to try this at least in sessions which I am leading (and use my youtube's channel), but I believe that this is very beneficial for all projects and sessions. It might be on moderators responsibility to take care about that, or it can be globally setup for each hall. The interaction with remote people might be a bit difficult - delay, volume, etc. So the question is, if at this run we will be trying to setup something how people can interact remotely or we just do streaming and prepare ourselves better for the following summit if we get positive feedback. Possible ways of remote interaction: - direct hangout participation (key people) - questions/comments section in etherpad (delay, more difficult to follow - might need some assistant for tracking them) What do you think? -- Jarda ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
On Fri 01 Nov 2013 12:40:44 PM PDT, Jaromir Coufal wrote: Since I have quite good experience with using these hangouts on air, I wanted to propose it as a general way how to get our sessions more accessible. Lot of people are asking how they can get more involved and I received very positive feedback for streaming; so I believe that the audience is definitely there. Yeah, we had those requests in the past too and we've tried to accommodate them in different ways. The feedback at the end was always poor and we isolated the root causes not in technology but in social behaviour and expectations. The remote audience expected smooth almost-real-life presence to the event and that's just not going to happen because: things during the design summit get frantic, schedules are hard to keep, discipline (always talk in a microphone, always identify yourself, don't talk over somebody, keep background noise low, etc) is almost impossible, technical glitches and small network disruptions are to be expected, timezones are a fact of life. And on the other side of the event, I have never heard of anybody taking a break from work/life to follow the remote event: people barely pay attention while 'multitasking', except the one or two that really need to be involved. This lead us to give up trying for Hong Kong. We searched for alternatives (see the infra meeting logs a few months back and my personal experiments [1] based on UDS experience) and the only solid one was to use a land line to call in the crucial people that *have to* be in a session. In the end I and Thierry made a judgement call to drop that too because we didn't hear anyone demanding it and setting them up in a reliable way for all sessions required a lot of efforts (that in the past we felt went wasted anyway). We decided to let moderators find their preferred way to pull in those 1-3 people ad-hoc with their preferred methods. I think what we can do (and it won't take a lot of extra effort) is: [...] I'm happy to help you do that. If it works, good for you and for all the people that won't be in HK. The room should have enough bandwidth to handle that and there should be a way to connect a laptop to the mixer so at least people online will be able to get the audio straight from a good source. If you have audio cables, take them with you. I would like to try this at least in sessions which I am leading (and use my youtube's channel), but I believe that this is very beneficial for all projects and sessions. It might be on moderators responsibility to take care about that, or it can be globally setup for each hall. Indeed, each moderator can let us know for the summit after HK what they would like to have. /stef [1] http://maffulli.net/2013/03/17/simple-live-audio-streaming-from-openstack-summit-using-raspberrypi/ -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [summit] Youtube stream from Design Summit?
Possible ways of remote interaction: - direct hangout participation (key people) - questions/comments section in etherpad (delay, more difficult to follow - might need some assistant for tracking them) I have a realtime browser-based chat app that is normally used in conjunction with live events being streamed out of Second Life. I would be happy to volunteer it for this. Someone would have to monitor it for questions during the session and ask them out loud, but it does provide a log, and also has the advantage that we can leave it up outside the session for additional conversations. (Not sure actually what the difference would be from IRC, actually, though.) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
