Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
+1 to demand meetings and asynchronous way On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Ildikó Váncsa <ildiko.van...@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > > > > ie. the new PTL should checkpoint with subteam leads regularly to review > spec status or identify missing resources on high-priority > > items? > > I would say anything that we feel as useful information to people who read > this mailing list. In this sense features that got implemented, items we > are focusing on, as you mentioned resource bottlenecks on important items, > etc. > > > > > as some feedback, re: news flash mails, we need a way to promote roadmap > backlog items better. i'm not sure anyone looks at Road > > Map page... > > maybe we need to organise it better with priority and incentive. > > I had the Roadmap page in mind as well partially, we could highlight the > plans/tasks from that page and also track progress. > > Thanks, > /Ildikó > > > > > On 31/03/2016 7:14 AM, Ildikó Váncsa wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > +1 on the on demand meeting schedule. Maybe we can also have some news > flash mails week to summarize the progress in our > > sub-modules when we don't have the meeting. Just to keep people up to > date. > > > > > > Will we already skip the today's meeting? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > /Ildikó > > > > > >> -----Original Message- > > >> From: Julien Danjou [mailto:jul...@danjou.info] > > >> Sent: March 31, 2016 11:04 > > >> To: liusheng > > >> Cc: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings > > >> > > >> On Thu, Mar 31 2016, liusheng wrote: > > >> > > >>> Another personal suggestion: > > >>> > > >>> maybe we can have a weekly routine mail thread to present the things > > >>> need to be discussed or need to be notified. The mail will also list > > >>> the topics posted in meeting agenda and ask to Telemetry folks if a > > >>> online IRC meeting is necessary, if there are a very few topics or > > >>> low priority topics, or the topics can be suitably discussed > > >>> asynchronously, we can disuccs them in the mail thread. > > >>> > > >>> any thoughts? > > >> > > >> Yeah I think it's more or less the same idea that was proposed, > > >> schedule a meeting only if needed. I'm going to amend the meeting > wiki page with that! > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Julien Danjou > > >> -- Free Software hacker > > >> -- https://julien.danjou.info > > > > > > __ > > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > > Unsubscribe: > > > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > > -- > > gord > > > > > __ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
Hi Gordon, > > ie. the new PTL should checkpoint with subteam leads regularly to review spec > status or identify missing resources on high-priority > items? I would say anything that we feel as useful information to people who read this mailing list. In this sense features that got implemented, items we are focusing on, as you mentioned resource bottlenecks on important items, etc. > > as some feedback, re: news flash mails, we need a way to promote roadmap > backlog items better. i'm not sure anyone looks at Road > Map page... > maybe we need to organise it better with priority and incentive. I had the Roadmap page in mind as well partially, we could highlight the plans/tasks from that page and also track progress. Thanks, /Ildikó > > On 31/03/2016 7:14 AM, Ildikó Váncsa wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > +1 on the on demand meeting schedule. Maybe we can also have some news > > flash mails week to summarize the progress in our > sub-modules when we don't have the meeting. Just to keep people up to date. > > > > Will we already skip the today's meeting? > > > > Thanks, > > /Ildikó > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Julien Danjou [mailto:jul...@danjou.info] > >> Sent: March 31, 2016 11:04 > >> To: liusheng > >> Cc: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 31 2016, liusheng wrote: > >> > >>> Another personal suggestion: > >>> > >>> maybe we can have a weekly routine mail thread to present the things > >>> need to be discussed or need to be notified. The mail will also list > >>> the topics posted in meeting agenda and ask to Telemetry folks if a > >>> online IRC meeting is necessary, if there are a very few topics or > >>> low priority topics, or the topics can be suitably discussed > >>> asynchronously, we can disuccs them in the mail thread. > >>> > >>> any thoughts? > >> > >> Yeah I think it's more or less the same idea that was proposed, > >> schedule a meeting only if needed. I'm going to amend the meeting wiki > >> page with that! > >> > >> -- > >> Julien Danjou > >> -- Free Software hacker > >> -- https://julien.danjou.info > > > > __ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: > > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > -- > gord > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
On Thu, Mar 31 2016, Ildikó Váncsa wrote: > +1 on the on demand meeting schedule. Maybe we can also have some news flash > mails week to summarize the progress in our sub-modules when we don't have the > meeting. Just to keep people up to date. That sounds a good idea. If anyone is motivated to do that, please go! > Will we already skip the today's meeting? Yes, there's nothing on the agenda. -- Julien Danjou /* Free Software hacker https://julien.danjou.info */ signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
ie. the new PTL should checkpoint with subteam leads regularly to review spec status or identify missing resources on high-priority items? as some feedback, re: news flash mails, we need a way to promote roadmap backlog items better. i'm not sure anyone looks at Road Map page... maybe we need to organise it better with priority and incentive. On 31/03/2016 7:14 AM, Ildikó Váncsa wrote: > Hi All, > > +1 on the on demand meeting schedule. Maybe we can also have some news flash > mails week to summarize the progress in our sub-modules when we don't have > the meeting. Just to keep people up to date. > > Will we already skip the today's meeting? > > Thanks, > /Ildikó > >> -Original Message- >> From: Julien Danjou [mailto:jul...@danjou.info] >> Sent: March 31, 2016 11:04 >> To: liusheng >> Cc: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings >> >> On Thu, Mar 31 2016, liusheng wrote: >> >>> Another personal suggestion: >>> >>> maybe we can have a weekly routine mail thread to present the things >>> need to be discussed or need to be notified. The mail will also list >>> the topics posted in meeting agenda and ask to Telemetry folks if a >>> online IRC meeting is necessary, if there are a very few topics or low >>> priority topics, or the topics can be suitably discussed >>> asynchronously, we can disuccs them in the mail thread. >>> >>> any thoughts? >> >> Yeah I think it's more or less the same idea that was proposed, schedule a >> meeting only if needed. I'm going to amend the meeting >> wiki page with that! >> >> -- >> Julien Danjou >> -- Free Software hacker >> -- https://julien.danjou.info > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- gord __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
Hi All, +1 on the on demand meeting schedule. Maybe we can also have some news flash mails week to summarize the progress in our sub-modules when we don't have the meeting. Just to keep people up to date. Will we already skip the today's meeting? Thanks, /Ildikó > -Original Message- > From: Julien Danjou [mailto:jul...@danjou.info] > Sent: March 31, 2016 11:04 > To: liusheng > Cc: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings > > On Thu, Mar 31 2016, liusheng wrote: > > > Another personal suggestion: > > > > maybe we can have a weekly routine mail thread to present the things > > need to be discussed or need to be notified. The mail will also list > > the topics posted in meeting agenda and ask to Telemetry folks if a > > online IRC meeting is necessary, if there are a very few topics or low > > priority topics, or the topics can be suitably discussed > > asynchronously, we can disuccs them in the mail thread. > > > > any thoughts? > > Yeah I think it's more or less the same idea that was proposed, schedule a > meeting only if needed. I'm going to amend the meeting > wiki page with that! > > -- > Julien Danjou > -- Free Software hacker > -- https://julien.danjou.info __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
On Thu, Mar 31 2016, liusheng wrote: > Another personal suggestion: > > maybe we can have a weekly routine mail thread to present the things need to > be > discussed or need to be notified. The mail will also list the topics posted in > meeting agenda and ask to Telemetry folks if a online IRC meeting is > necessary, if there are a very few topics or low priority topics, or the > topics > can be suitably discussed asynchronously, we can disuccs them in the mail > thread. > > any thoughts? Yeah I think it's more or less the same idea that was proposed, schedule a meeting only if needed. I'm going to amend the meeting wiki page with that! -- Julien Danjou -- Free Software hacker -- https://julien.danjou.info signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
Another personal suggestion: maybe we can have a weekly routine mail thread to present the things need to be discussed or need to be notified. The mail will also list the topics posted in meeting agenda and ask to Telemetry folks if a online IRC meeting is necessary, if there are a very few topics or low priority topics, or the topics can be suitably discussed asynchronously, we can disuccs them in the mail thread. any thoughts? 在 2016/3/30 19:45, Julien Danjou 写道: Hi folks, I've recently noticed that our way of collaborating is now mostly done asynchronously through Gerrit and the mailing list. Which is good since it's easy for everyone to participate. Some synchronous discussion happens in #openstack-telemetry, which is also a good thing since it's a handy medium for that. On the other hand, I've noted that our IRC meetings are being less and less useful these last weeks. Most of them only ran for a few minutes, and were essentially gordc doing his PTL smalltalk alone. Therefore I would suggest to schedule those meetings every 2 weeks rather than every week as it is currently. Thoughts? Cheers, __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
On 30/03/2016 8:06 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30 2016, Chris Dent wrote: > >> Another option on the meetings would be to do what the cross project >> meetings do: Only have the meeting if there are agenda items. > > That's a good idea, I'd be totally cool with that too. We could send a > mail indicating there would be meeting with a 1 week prior notice. > you don't like watching me talk to myself? i believe this problem arises mainly at the beginning and end of cycle where we don't have any issues regarding blueprints as they were just discussed or won't be discussed. it also doesn't help that the meeting time is tied to North America when most of our devs are not here. that said, i do prefer following the cross project model. when should we assign cut off for meeting items? we shouldn't make cutoff so late that it causes people to sit around waiting to see if there's a meeting or not. cheers, -- gord __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
On Wed, Mar 30 2016, Chris Dent wrote: > Another option on the meetings would be to do what the cross project > meetings do: Only have the meeting if there are agenda items. That's a good idea, I'd be totally cool with that too. We could send a mail indicating there would be meeting with a 1 week prior notice. I can change the meeting page to inform people of that, if that's cool with every one. -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // https://julien.danjou.info signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Julien Danjou wrote: Thoughts? +1 I especially agree that asynch (gerrit and email) interaction is far more accessible and productive. Another option on the meetings would be to do what the cross project meetings do: Only have the meeting if there are agenda items. -- Chris Dent (�s°□°)�s�喋擤ォ�http://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent tw: @anticdent__ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [telemetry] Rescheduling IRC meetings
Hi folks, I've recently noticed that our way of collaborating is now mostly done asynchronously through Gerrit and the mailing list. Which is good since it's easy for everyone to participate. Some synchronous discussion happens in #openstack-telemetry, which is also a good thing since it's a handy medium for that. On the other hand, I've noted that our IRC meetings are being less and less useful these last weeks. Most of them only ran for a few minutes, and were essentially gordc doing his PTL smalltalk alone. Therefore I would suggest to schedule those meetings every 2 weeks rather than every week as it is currently. Thoughts? Cheers, -- Julien Danjou ;; Free Software hacker ;; https://julien.danjou.info signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
