Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Christian Berendt]

As discussed in todays team meeting [0]:

* the vote is closed
* the deprecation is delayed

http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-01-25-16.01.log.html

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

Gema,

Yes team meeting sounds good.

I am changing my vote from choice 2 to abstain until this is sorted out.

Regards
-steve


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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

Hi,

we had a brief conversation in the channel about this.

My team at Linaro is planning to start working with Kolla after the PTG
to produce fully deployable ARM64 containers. The preference for us is
to produce Debian based containers, as well as any others that are
required to meet the project requirements.

I'd like to discuss this a bit further, we may be able to help with the
lack of support, but we need to understand how much work would be required.

Can we discuss further at the team meeting tomorrow?

Thanks,
Gema


On 19/01/17 10:53, Christian Berendt wrote:
> As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the 
deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in 
Kolla.
> 
> More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the openstack-operators 
mailing list, without any reply [0].
> 
> Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7 days 
(26.01.2017).
> 
> 1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated
> 
> 2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian
> 
> [0] 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-January/012427.html
> 

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Gema Gomez]

Hi,

we had a brief conversation in the channel about this.

My team at Linaro is planning to start working with Kolla after the PTG
to produce fully deployable ARM64 containers. The preference for us is
to produce Debian based containers, as well as any others that are
required to meet the project requirements.

I'd like to discuss this a bit further, we may be able to help with the
lack of support, but we need to understand how much work would be required.

Can we discuss further at the team meeting tomorrow?

Thanks,
Gema


On 19/01/17 10:53, Christian Berendt wrote:
> As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the 
> deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in 
> Kolla.
> 
> More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the openstack-operators 
> mailing list, without any reply [0].
> 
> Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7 days 
> (26.01.2017).
> 
> 1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated
> 
> 2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian
> 
> [0] 
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-January/012427.html
> 

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Martin André]

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Christian Berendt
 wrote:
> As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the 
> deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in 
> Kolla.
>
> More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the openstack-operators 
> mailing list, without any reply [0].
>
> Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7 days 
> (26.01.2017).
>
> 1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated
>
> 2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian

Option 2 since nobody volunteered to maintain the Debian images.

> [0] 
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-January/012427.html
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Michał Jastrzębski]

2 as well, on multiple occasions we asked for maintainers to
volunteer, however there have been little response.

On 21 January 2017 at 05:51, Jeffrey Zhang <zhang.lei@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Mauricio Lima <mauricioli...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> 2
>>
>> 2017-01-19 8:50 GMT-03:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:
>>>
>>> My vote is for option 2 to deprecate Debian as there has been very little
>>> activity and operators seem uninterested in Debian as a platform.
>>>
>>> We could always add it back in at a later date if operators were to
>>> request it and the Debian team were interested in maintaining it.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> -steve
>>>
>>>
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>>> To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org"
>>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>>> Subject: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro
>>> support
>>>
>>> As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the
>>> deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in
>>> Kolla.
>>>
>>> More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the
>>> openstack-operators mailing list, without any reply [0].
>>>
>>> Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7
>>> days (26.01.2017).
>>>
>>> 1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated
>>>
>>> 2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian
>>>
>>> [0]
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-January/012427.html
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Jeffrey Zhang]

2

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Mauricio Lima <mauricioli...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> 2
>
> 2017-01-19 8:50 GMT-03:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:
>
>> My vote is for option 2 to deprecate Debian as there has been very little
>> activity and operators seem uninterested in Debian as a platform.
>>
>> We could always add it back in at a later date if operators were to
>> request it and the Debian team were interested in maintaining it.
>>
>> Regards
>> -steve
>>
>>
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>> From: Christian Berendt <bere...@betacloud-solutions.de>
>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <
>> openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Date: Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 3:53 AM
>> To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack
>> .org>
>> Subject: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro
>> support
>>
>> As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the
>> deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in
>> Kolla.
>>
>> More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the
>> openstack-operators mailing list, without any reply [0].
>>
>> Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7
>> days (26.01.2017).
>>
>> 1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated
>>
>> 2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian
>>
>> [0] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/201
>> 7-January/012427.html
>>
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>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Mauricio Lima]

2

2017-01-19 8:50 GMT-03:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:

> My vote is for option 2 to deprecate Debian as there has been very little
> activity and operators seem uninterested in Debian as a platform.
>
> We could always add it back in at a later date if operators were to
> request it and the Debian team were interested in maintaining it.
>
> Regards
> -steve
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christian Berendt <bere...@betacloud-solutions.de>
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> openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 3:53 AM
> To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
> >
> Subject: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro
> support
>
> As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the
> deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in
> Kolla.
>
> More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the
> openstack-operators mailing list, without any reply [0].
>
> Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7
> days (26.01.2017).
>
> 1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated
>
> 2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian
>
> [0] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/
> 2017-January/012427.html
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

My vote is for option 2 to deprecate Debian as there has been very little 
activity and operators seem uninterested in Debian as a platform.

We could always add it back in at a later date if operators were to request it 
and the Debian team were interested in maintaining it.

Regards
-steve


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Subject: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the 
deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in 
Kolla.

More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the openstack-operators 
mailing list, without any reply [0].

Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7 days 
(26.01.2017).

1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated

2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian

[0] 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-January/012427.html

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Eduardo Gonzalez]

My vote for option 2 to deprecate Debian images.
Since the last deprecation vote nobody tried to maintain Debian images.
No gates, not tested and not maintained sound like good reasons to
deprecate Debian.

Regards

2017-01-19 10:53 GMT+00:00 Christian Berendt :

> As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the
> deprecation (this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in
> Kolla.
>
> More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the openstack-operators
> mailing list, without any reply [0].
>
> Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7 days
> (26.01.2017).
>
> 1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated
>
> 2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian
>
> [0] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/
> 2017-January/012427.html
>
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[openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for Debian distro support

[Christian Berendt]

As discussed in one of the last team meetings I want to propose the deprecation 
(this cycle) and removal (next cycle) of the Debian support in Kolla.

More than 1 week ago I sent a pre warning mail to the openstack-operators 
mailing list, without any reply [0].

Kolla core reviewers, please vote now. The vote will be open for 7 days 
(26.01.2017).

1. Kolla needs support for Debian, it should not be deprecated

2. Kolla should deprecate support for Debian

[0] 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-January/012427.html

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Jeffrey Zhang]

Voting time is up.

Then Debian will stay in Kolla and anyone is welcome to toke over the
maintain work.
But if Debian is out of maintaining in next cycle, we will try to remove it
again. :)

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Christian Berendt <
bere...@betacloud-solutions.de> wrote:

> > On 22 Sep 2016, at 17:16, Ryan Hallisey  wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Michal and Martin. I was a little reluctant to respond here
> because the Debian additions are new, while Fedora has been around since
> the beginning and never got a ton of testing.
> >
> > Berendt what's your take here?
>
> It is fine for me to keep Debian if someone committed to continue working
> on it.
>
> Christian.
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Christian Berendt]

> On 22 Sep 2016, at 17:16, Ryan Hallisey  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Michal and Martin. I was a little reluctant to respond here 
> because the Debian additions are new, while Fedora has been around since the 
> beginning and never got a ton of testing.
> 
> Berendt what's your take here?

It is fine for me to keep Debian if someone committed to continue working on it.

Christian.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

Michal,

I don’t think setting a gate expectation on upstream distros is appropriate 
considering our plans to expand our CI coverage.  This would present a mission 
impossible to the debian maintainers in Kolla.

We want to preserve choice, and locking out an upstream disro because of a lack 
of CI coverage is a bit onerous.  I think the bar we should is:

“Are people working to maintain the implementation?”

Regards
-steve

On 9/22/16, 7:42 AM, "Michał Jastrzębski" <inc...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm also reluctant to deprecation of debian.There are few changes to
ubuntu and it might just work:) However, I'd love to ask whoever would
like us to keep using debian to create gates for it.

I would like to give debian one more release to go and deprecate it if
we fail to create gates in Ocata timeframe, how about that?

On 22 September 2016 at 06:48, Martin André <m.an...@redhat.com> wrote:
> I'm -1 on deprecating Debian base image considering it's a recent
> addition to Kolla and we can legitimately assume the person who
> contributed it had plans to use it. I would love to get Benedikt’s
> input.
>
> Martin
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com> 
wrote:
>> Matthias,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was asked why this is so by a different person.  The reason is 
determining
>> majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of
>> the vote.  In this case, the electorate is the core team who were 
selected
>> by their peers to serve as the leadership of the project.  We could 
correct
>> this deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last 
year.
>> The authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114
>> people, and 69 voted.
>>
>>
>>
>> The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a 
deprecation
>> vote.  Yet 60% of eligible voters voted.  Using this mechanism would 
result
>> in an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be
>> more heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow 
down
>> decision making processes.
>>
>>
>>
>> We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to 
be
>> removed) and we want it to be lightweight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
    >>
    >> From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM
>>
>>
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Mathias,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in
>> Kolla), however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the
>> decision making process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
    >>
    >> -steve
>>
>>
    >>
>>
>>
>> From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de>
>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 2
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:
>>
>> Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.
>>
>> Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing
>> from the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s
>> contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial 
for
>> Oracle Linux.  I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the
>> context in my brain.  The fact that there is no debian gate really is
>> orthogonal to the discussion in my mind.  With this action we would be
>> turning away a contributor who has made real contributions,

Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Ryan Hallisey]

I agree with Michal and Martin. I was a little reluctant to respond here 
because the Debian additions are new, while Fedora has been around since the 
beginning and never got a ton of testing.

Berendt what's your take here?

Thanks,
Ryan 

- Original Message -
From: "Michał Jastrzębski" <inc...@gmail.com>
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:42:13 AM
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
support

I'm also reluctant to deprecation of debian.There are few changes to
ubuntu and it might just work:) However, I'd love to ask whoever would
like us to keep using debian to create gates for it.

I would like to give debian one more release to go and deprecate it if
we fail to create gates in Ocata timeframe, how about that?

On 22 September 2016 at 06:48, Martin André <m.an...@redhat.com> wrote:
> I'm -1 on deprecating Debian base image considering it's a recent
> addition to Kolla and we can legitimately assume the person who
> contributed it had plans to use it. I would love to get Benedikt’s
> input.
>
> Martin
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com> 
> wrote:
>> Matthias,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was asked why this is so by a different person.  The reason is determining
>> majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of
>> the vote.  In this case, the electorate is the core team who were selected
>> by their peers to serve as the leadership of the project.  We could correct
>> this deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last year.
>> The authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114
>> people, and 69 voted.
>>
>>
>>
>> The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a deprecation
>> vote.  Yet 60% of eligible voters voted.  Using this mechanism would result
>> in an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be
>> more heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow down
>> decision making processes.
>>
>>
>>
>> We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to be
>> removed) and we want it to be lightweight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM
>>
>>
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Mathias,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in
>> Kolla), however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the
>> decision making process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de>
>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 2
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:
>>
>> Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.
>>
>> Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing
>> from the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s
>> contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for
>> Oracle Linux.  I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the
>> context in my brain.  The fact that there is no debian gate really is
>> orthogonal to the discussion in my mind.  With this action we would be
>> turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the
>> signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans.
>>
>> This is totally the wrong message to send.  Further others might interpret
>> such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not
>> the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project.  We have
>> bu

Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Michał Jastrzębski]

I'm also reluctant to deprecation of debian.There are few changes to
ubuntu and it might just work:) However, I'd love to ask whoever would
like us to keep using debian to create gates for it.

I would like to give debian one more release to go and deprecate it if
we fail to create gates in Ocata timeframe, how about that?

On 22 September 2016 at 06:48, Martin André <m.an...@redhat.com> wrote:
> I'm -1 on deprecating Debian base image considering it's a recent
> addition to Kolla and we can legitimately assume the person who
> contributed it had plans to use it. I would love to get Benedikt’s
> input.
>
> Martin
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com> 
> wrote:
>> Matthias,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was asked why this is so by a different person.  The reason is determining
>> majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of
>> the vote.  In this case, the electorate is the core team who were selected
>> by their peers to serve as the leadership of the project.  We could correct
>> this deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last year.
>> The authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114
>> people, and 69 voted.
>>
>>
>>
>> The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a deprecation
>> vote.  Yet 60% of eligible voters voted.  Using this mechanism would result
>> in an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be
>> more heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow down
>> decision making processes.
>>
>>
>>
>> We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to be
>> removed) and we want it to be lightweight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM
>>
>>
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Mathias,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in
>> Kolla), however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the
>> decision making process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de>
>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 2
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:
>>
>> Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.
>>
>> Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing
>> from the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s
>> contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for
>> Oracle Linux.  I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the
>> context in my brain.  The fact that there is no debian gate really is
>> orthogonal to the discussion in my mind.  With this action we would be
>> turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the
>> signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans.
>>
>> This is totally the wrong message to send.  Further others might interpret
>> such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not
>> the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project.  We have
>> built a culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes review”.
>> We want to hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla.  There have
>> been rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix and
>> our (lack) of dealing with it appropriately.  I think there are other ways
>> to solve that problem without a policy hammer.
>>
>> I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved on
>> to other projects.  I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining it,
>> be

Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Martin André]

I'm -1 on deprecating Debian base image considering it's a recent
addition to Kolla and we can legitimately assume the person who
contributed it had plans to use it. I would love to get Benedikt’s
input.

Martin

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com> wrote:
> Matthias,
>
>
>
> I was asked why this is so by a different person.  The reason is determining
> majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of
> the vote.  In this case, the electorate is the core team who were selected
> by their peers to serve as the leadership of the project.  We could correct
> this deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last year.
> The authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114
> people, and 69 voted.
>
>
>
> The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a deprecation
> vote.  Yet 60% of eligible voters voted.  Using this mechanism would result
> in an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be
> more heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow down
> decision making processes.
>
>
>
> We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to be
> removed) and we want it to be lightweight.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> -steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM
>
>
> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
> support
>
>
>
> Mathias,
>
>
>
> Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in
> Kolla), however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the
> decision making process.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> -steve
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de>
> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
> support
>
>
>
> Option 2
>
>
>
> 2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:
>
> Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.
>
> Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing
> from the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s
> contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for
> Oracle Linux.  I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the
> context in my brain.  The fact that there is no debian gate really is
> orthogonal to the discussion in my mind.  With this action we would be
> turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the
> signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans.
>
> This is totally the wrong message to send.  Further others might interpret
> such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not
> the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project.  We have
> built a culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes review”.
> We want to hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla.  There have
> been rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix and
> our (lack) of dealing with it appropriately.  I think there are other ways
> to solve that problem without a policy hammer.
>
> I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved on
> to other projects.  I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining it,
> because of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without a
> whole lot of time for implementation work).  That said Fedora moves too fast
> for me personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there remains
> unchanged.
>
> Regards
> -steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke" <paul.bou...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing
> Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway
> ;)
>
> On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke <paul.bou...@oracle.com>
> wrote:
> >> -1 for deprecating Debian.
> >>
> >> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian
> suppo

Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

Matthias,

I was asked why this is so by a different person.  The reason is determining 
majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of the 
vote.  In this case, the electorate is the core team who were selected by their 
peers to serve as the leadership of the project.  We could correct this 
deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last year.  The 
authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114 people, and 
69 voted.

The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a deprecation 
vote.  Yet 60% of eligible voters voted.  Using this mechanism would result in 
an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be more 
heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow down decision 
making processes.

We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to be 
removed) and we want it to be lightweight.

Regards
-steve



From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

Mathias,

Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in Kolla), 
however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the decision making 
process.

Regards
-steve


From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de>
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

Option 2

2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) 
<std...@cisco.com<mailto:std...@cisco.com>>:
Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.

Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing from 
the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s contributions 
(which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for Oracle Linux.  I 
guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the context in my brain.  The 
fact that there is no debian gate really is orthogonal to the discussion in my 
mind.  With this action we would be turning away a contributor who has made 
real contributions, and send the signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with 
the project plans.

This is totally the wrong message to send.  Further others might interpret such 
an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not the 
culture we have cultivated since origination of the project.  We have built a 
culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes review”.  We want to 
hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla.  There have been 
rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix and our 
(lack) of dealing with it appropriately.  I think there are other ways to solve 
that problem without a policy hammer.

I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved on to 
other projects.  I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining it, because 
of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without a whole lot of 
time for implementation work).  That said Fedora moves too fast for me 
personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there remains unchanged.

Regards
-steve





On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke" 
<paul.bou...@oracle.com<mailto:paul.bou...@oracle.com>> wrote:

If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing
Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway ;)

On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke 
<paul.bou...@oracle.com<mailto:paul.bou...@oracle.com>> wrote:
>> -1 for deprecating Debian.
>>
>> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian 
support
>> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So it's
>> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.
>>
>> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still using 
it
>> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.
>>
>> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:
>>>
>>> Kolla core reviewer team,
>>>
>>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including
>>>
>>> * Ubuntu
>>> * CentOS
>>> * RHEL
>>> * Fedora
>>> * Debian
>>> * OracleLinux
>>>
>>> But only Ubunt

Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

Mathias,

Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in Kolla), 
however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the decision making 
process.

Regards
-steve


From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de>
Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
<openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

Option 2

2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) 
<std...@cisco.com<mailto:std...@cisco.com>>:
Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.

Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing from 
the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s contributions 
(which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for Oracle Linux.  I 
guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the context in my brain.  The 
fact that there is no debian gate really is orthogonal to the discussion in my 
mind.  With this action we would be turning away a contributor who has made 
real contributions, and send the signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with 
the project plans.

This is totally the wrong message to send.  Further others might interpret such 
an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not the 
culture we have cultivated since origination of the project.  We have built a 
culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes review”.  We want to 
hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla.  There have been 
rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix and our 
(lack) of dealing with it appropriately.  I think there are other ways to solve 
that problem without a policy hammer.

I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved on to 
other projects.  I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining it, because 
of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without a whole lot of 
time for implementation work).  That said Fedora moves too fast for me 
personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there remains unchanged.

Regards
-steve





On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke" 
<paul.bou...@oracle.com<mailto:paul.bou...@oracle.com>> wrote:

If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing
Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway ;)

On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke 
<paul.bou...@oracle.com<mailto:paul.bou...@oracle.com>> wrote:
>> -1 for deprecating Debian.
>>
>> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian 
support
>> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So it's
>> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.
>>
>> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still using 
it
>> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.
>>
>> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:
>>>
>>> Kolla core reviewer team,
>>>
>>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including
>>>
>>> * Ubuntu
>>> * CentOS
>>> * RHEL
>>> * Fedora
>>> * Debian
>>> * OracleLinux
>>>
>>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have
>>> robust gate to ensure the quality.
>>>
>>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
>>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
>>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
>>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.
>>>
>>> Please vote:
>>>
>>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
>>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
>>> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support
>>>
>>> Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.
>>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Mathias Ewald]

Option 2

2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) :

> Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.
>
> Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing
> from the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s
> contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for
> Oracle Linux.  I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the
> context in my brain.  The fact that there is no debian gate really is
> orthogonal to the discussion in my mind.  With this action we would be
> turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the
> signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans.
>
> This is totally the wrong message to send.  Further others might interpret
> such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not
> the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project.  We have
> built a culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes
> review”.  We want to hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla.
> There have been rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding
> support matrix and our (lack) of dealing with it appropriately.  I think
> there are other ways to solve that problem without a policy hammer.
>
> I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved
> on to other projects.  I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining
> it, because of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without
> a whole lot of time for implementation work).  That said Fedora moves too
> fast for me personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there
> remains unchanged.
>
> Regards
> -steve
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke"  wrote:
>
> If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing
> Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway
> ;)
>
> On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke 
> wrote:
> >> -1 for deprecating Debian.
> >>
> >> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian
> support
> >> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So
> it's
> >> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.
> >>
> >> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still
> using it
> >> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.
> >>
> >> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Kolla core reviewer team,
> >>>
> >>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including
> >>>
> >>> * Ubuntu
> >>> * CentOS
> >>> * RHEL
> >>> * Fedora
> >>> * Debian
> >>> * OracleLinux
> >>>
> >>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we
> have
> >>> robust gate to ensure the quality.
> >>>
> >>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
> >>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
> >>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
> >>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.
> >>>
> >>> Please vote:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up
> the
> >>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
> >>> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support
> >>>
> >>> Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.

Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention.  It was missing from 
the original vote.  I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s contributions 
(which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial for Oracle Linux.  I 
guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the context in my brain.  The 
fact that there is no debian gate really is orthogonal to the discussion in my 
mind.  With this action we would be turning away a contributor who has made 
real contributions, and send the signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with 
the project plans.

This is totally the wrong message to send.  Further others might interpret such 
an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is not the 
culture we have cultivated since origination of the project.  We have built a 
culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes review”.  We want to 
hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla.  There have been 
rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix and our 
(lack) of dealing with it appropriately.  I think there are other ways to solve 
that problem without a policy hammer.

I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since moved on to 
other projects.  I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining it, because 
of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without a whole lot of 
time for implementation work).  That said Fedora moves too fast for me 
personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there remains unchanged.

Regards
-steve
  




On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke"  wrote:

If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing 
Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway ;)

On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke  
wrote:
>> -1 for deprecating Debian.
>>
>> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian 
support
>> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So it's
>> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.
>>
>> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still using 
it
>> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.
>>
>> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:
>>>
>>> Kolla core reviewer team,
>>>
>>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including
>>>
>>> * Ubuntu
>>> * CentOS
>>> * RHEL
>>> * Fedora
>>> * Debian
>>> * OracleLinux
>>>
>>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have
>>> robust gate to ensure the quality.
>>>
>>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
>>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
>>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
>>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.
>>>
>>> Please vote:
>>>
>>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
>>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
>>> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support
>>>
>>> Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.
>>>
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Paul Bourke]

If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing 
Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted anyway ;)


On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke  wrote:

-1 for deprecating Debian.

As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian support
was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So it's
reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.

I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still using it
and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.

On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:


Kolla core reviewer team,

Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including

* Ubuntu
* CentOS
* RHEL
* Fedora
* Debian
* OracleLinux

But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have
robust gate to ensure the quality.

For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.

Please vote:

1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support

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+1 for #2

I agree with reasoning from Paul, though Debian support was being
added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer but it has been stopped in
middle and all patches in the queue were abandoned [1]

[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/build-debian,n,z

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Swapnil Kulkarni]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke  wrote:
> -1 for deprecating Debian.
>
> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian support
> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. So it's
> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.
>
> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still using it
> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.
>
> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:
>>
>> Kolla core reviewer team,
>>
>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including
>>
>> * Ubuntu
>> * CentOS
>> * RHEL
>> * Fedora
>> * Debian
>> * OracleLinux
>>
>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have
>> robust gate to ensure the quality.
>>
>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.
>>
>> Please vote:
>>
>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
>> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support
>>
>> Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.
>>
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+1 for #2

I agree with reasoning from Paul, though Debian support was being
added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer but it has been stopped in
middle and all patches in the queue were abandoned [1]

[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/build-debian,n,z

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Paul Bourke]

-1 for deprecating Debian.

As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian 
support was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June. 
So it's reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.


I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still using 
it and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.


On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:

Kolla core reviewer team,

Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including

* Ubuntu
* CentOS
* RHEL
* Fedora
* Debian
* OracleLinux

But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have
robust gate to ensure the quality.

For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.

Please vote:

1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support

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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Steven Dake (stdake)]

+1 for option #2 with same commentary as prior relating to fedora.

Regards
-steve


On 9/19/16, 10:44 AM, "Jeffrey Zhang"  wrote:

Kolla core reviewer team,

Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including

* Ubuntu
* CentOS
* RHEL
* Fedora
* Debian
* OracleLinux

But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have
robust gate to ensure the quality.

For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.

Please vote:

1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support

Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.

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Jeffrey Zhang
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Mauricio Lima]

Option 2

2016-09-19 14:55 GMT-03:00 Christian Berendt :

> Thanks for moving this forward.
>
> > On 19 Sep 2016, at 19:44, Jeffrey Zhang  wrote:
> >
> > Please vote:
> >
> > 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
> > gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
> > 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support
>
> +1 on option 2.
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Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Christian Berendt]

Thanks for moving this forward.

> On 19 Sep 2016, at 19:44, Jeffrey Zhang  wrote:
> 
> Please vote:
> 
> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support

+1 on option 2.


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[openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro support

[Jeffrey Zhang]

Kolla core reviewer team,

Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including

* Ubuntu
* CentOS
* RHEL
* Fedora
* Debian
* OracleLinux

But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we have
robust gate to ensure the quality.

For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any bug
about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.

Please vote:

1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up the
gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support

Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.

-- 
Regards,
Jeffrey Zhang
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