Russell, first of all thanks for your opinion and taking part in this
discussion.
What we need to dig in to is *why* do you feel it needs to be global?
I'm trying to understand what you're saying here ... do you mean that
since we're trying to get to where there's a global scheduler, that it
On 03/12/2014 12:14 PM, Sylvain Bauza wrote:
Hi Russell,
Thanks for replying,
2014-03-12 16:46 GMT+01:00 Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com
mailto:rbry...@redhat.com:
The biggest concern seemed to be that we weren't sure whether Climate
makes sense as an independent project or
Thanks TC for spending time on Blazar (ex. Climate, in process of renaming)
discussion!
It was decided that potentially reservation idea is interesting for OS and
it'll be great to have cross-project session on ongoing Atlanta Summit and
discuss future of reservation/scheduling management in
On 03/12/2014 07:35 AM, Dina Belova wrote:
Thanks TC for spending time on Blazar (ex. Climate, in process of
renaming) discussion!
It was decided that potentially reservation idea is interesting for OS
and it'll be great to have cross-project session on ongoing Atlanta
Summit and discuss
Hi Russell,
Thanks for replying,
2014-03-12 16:46 GMT+01:00 Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com:
On 03/12/2014 07:35 AM, Dina Belova wrote:
Thanks TC for spending time on Blazar (ex. Climate, in process of
renaming) discussion!
It was decided that potentially reservation idea is
Dina Belova wrote:
I'd like to request Climate project review for incubation. Here is
official incubation application:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate/Incubation
After watching this thread a bit, it looks like this is more a
preemptive where fo I fit advice request than a formal
Thierry, hello.
Anne Gentle wrote:
It feels like it should be part of a scheduler or reservation program
but we don't have one today. We also don't have a workflow, planning, or
capacity management program, all of which these use cases could fall
under.
(I should know this but)
Dina Belova wrote:
Would Climate also be usable to support functionality like Spot
Instances ? Schedule when spot price falls under X ?
Really good question. Personally I think that Climate might help
implementing this feature, but probably it’s not the main thing that
will work there.
Hi Thierry,
2014-03-06 11:46 GMT+01:00 Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org:
Dina Belova wrote:
Would Climate also be usable to support functionality like Spot
Instances ? Schedule when spot price falls under X ?
Really good question. Personally I think that Climate might help
Sylvain, I love your idea. As you said, that should be designed, but for
the first sight your proposal looks quite nice.
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Thierry,
2014-03-06 11:46 GMT+01:00 Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org:
Dina Belova
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Thierry,
2014-03-06 11:46 GMT+01:00 Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org:
Dina Belova wrote:
Would Climate also be usable to support functionality like Spot
Instances ? Schedule when spot price falls under X
Dina Belova wrote:
I think your idea is really interesting. I mean, that thought “Gantt -
where to schedule, Climate - when to schedule” is quite understandable
and good looking.
Would Climate also be usable to support functionality like Spot
Instances ? Schedule when spot price falls under X
Anne Gentle wrote:
It feels like it should be part of a scheduler or reservation program
but we don't have one today. We also don't have a workflow, planning, or
capacity management program, all of which these use cases could fall under.
(I should know this but) What are the options when a
Joe, thanks for discussion.
I think nova should natively support booting an instance for a
limited amount of time. I would use this all the time to boot up
devstack instances (boot devstack instance for 5 hours)
Really nice idea, but to provide time based resource management for any
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Dina Belova dbel...@mirantis.com wrote:
Joe, thanks for discussion.
I think nova should natively support booting an instance for a
limited amount of time. I would use this all the time to boot up
devstack instances (boot devstack instance for 5 hours)
Hello Joe, Thierry, Sylvain.
Joe, I pretty agree with Sylvain in how he had described Climate idea. I
hope it is more understandable now.
Thierry, thanks for answering. I'm sorry I did not send this email before :)
Thanks
Dina
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Sylvain Bauza
Forgot to put openstack-tc@ in the loop... Sorry for resending this email.
-Sylvain
Le 03/03/2014 13:42, Sylvain Bauza a écrit :
Hi Joe,
Thanks for your reply, I'll try to further explain.
Le 03/03/2014 05:33, Joe Gordon a écrit :
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dina Belova
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@bull.net
wrote:
Hi Joe,
Thanks for your reply, I'll try to further explain.
Le 03/03/2014 05:33, Joe Gordon a écrit :
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:32
On 03/02/2014 02:32 PM, Dina Belova wrote:
Hello, folks!
I'd like to request Climate project review for incubation. Here is
official incubation application:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate/Incubation
Additionally due to the project scope and the roadmap, we don't see any
Hi Sean,
2014-03-03 16:04 GMT+01:00 Sean Dague s...@dague.net:
At a high level this feels like this should be part of scheduling.
Scheduling might include resources you want right now, but it could
include resources you want in the future. It also makes sense for
scheduling to include
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Anne Gentle a...@openstack.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@bull.net
wrote:
Hi Joe,
Thanks for your reply, I'll try to further explain.
Le
Joe, as said, Amazon reservation is not like implemented in Climate - and
really we had different original use cases to have the same result. Amazon
instances reservations do not guarantee that instance will be provided to
user, as in Climate we started implemented reservations possibilities with
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Dina Belova dbel...@mirantis.com wrote:
Capacity planning not falling under Compute's umbrella is news to me,
are you referring to Gantt and scheduling in general? Perhaps I don't
fully understand the full extent of what 'capacity planning' actually
is.
We
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Dina Belova dbel...@mirantis.com wrote:
Joe, as said, Amazon reservation is not like implemented in Climate - and
really we had different original use cases to have the same result. Amazon
instances reservations do not guarantee that instance will be provided to
On 03/03/14 12:32, Joe Gordon wrote:
- if you're reserving resources far before you'll need them, it'll be
cheaper
Why? How does this save a provider money?
If an operator has zero information about the level of future demand,
they will have to spend a *lot* of money on excess capacity or
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/03/14 12:32, Joe Gordon wrote:
- if you're reserving resources far before you'll need them, it'll be
cheaper
Why? How does this save a provider money?
If an operator has zero information about the level of future
Oh, Sylvain, you were first :)
I have just small things to add here: Joe, resource usage planning is great
feature, that, I believe, is not supported in OS services now. Resource
planning will allow cloud providers to react on future picks of loads,
because they *will know* about that. As Zane
On 03/03/2014 01:35 PM, Joe Gordon wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/03/14 12:32, Joe Gordon wrote:
- if you're reserving resources far before you'll need them, it'll be
cheaper
Why? How does this save a provider money?
If an operator has
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Joe,
2014-03-03 18:32 GMT+01:00 Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com:
This sounds like something that belongs in nova, Phil Day has an
elegant solution for this:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Dina Belova dbel...@mirantis.com wrote:
Oh, Sylvain, you were first :)
I have just small things to add here: Joe, resource usage planning is great
feature, that, I believe, is not supported in OS services now. Resource
planning will allow cloud providers to
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Anne Gentle a...@openstack.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Sylvain Bauza sylvain.ba...@bull.net
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote:
On 03/03/2014 01:35 PM, Joe Gordon wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/03/14 12:32, Joe Gordon wrote:
- if you're reserving resources far before you'll need them, it'll be
Overall I think Climate is trying to address some very real use cases,
but its unclear to me where these solutions should live or how to
solve them. Furthermore I understand what a reservation means for nova
but I am not sure what it means in Cinder, Swift etc.
To give a few examples:
* I think
Hello, folks!
I'd like to request Climate project review for incubation. Here is official
incubation application:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate/Incubation
Additionally due to the project scope and the roadmap, we don't see any
currently existing OpenStack program that fits Climate. So
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dina Belova dbel...@mirantis.com wrote:
Hello, folks!
I'd like to request Climate project review for incubation. Here is official
incubation application:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate/Incubation
I'm unclear on what Climate is trying to solve. I
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