Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-30 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/27/2013 12:54 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 06/27/2013 05:04 PM, Anne Gentle wrote: Let's do it! (On Thierry's timetable so that we get valuable practice talking about onboarding programs.) Sounds good to me as long as we all agree that Localization/Translations are a technical

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-26 Thread Stefano Maffulli
On 06/24/2013 11:50 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: To match with the current state we would end up with: * Projects (Nova, Neutron, Swift, Glance, Keystone, Horizon, Cinder, Ceilometer, Heat) * Incubated projects (Trove, Ironic) * Programs (Oslo, Infrastructure, Documentation, QA) I think we

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
Stefano Maffulli wrote: On 06/24/2013 11:50 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: To match with the current state we would end up with: * Projects (Nova, Neutron, Swift, Glance, Keystone, Horizon, Cinder, Ceilometer, Heat) * Incubated projects (Trove, Ironic) * Programs (Oslo, Infrastructure,

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-26 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2013-06-26 at 14:15 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: 4. Be potentially able to define a set of projects that are the OpenStack product (markmc) Random thought on this ... If one of the release deliverables was e.g. a openstack.org/havana page which included links to the tarballs of the

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark Washenberger wrote: * There are efforts that span multiple projects but work directly on the project code repositories, like integrated release, or stable maintenance, or vulnerability management (collectively called for the convenience of this thread horizontal efforts).

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Robert Collins
On 25 June 2013 20:19, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: without a code repo today, so it's a moot point : I suggest saying that until it is revisited, there cannot be a Program w/o a code repo. What we have today is a number of efforts that are pretty central to OpenStack (like

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
Robert Collins wrote: So, doing [the 6 monthly] releases and stable branches seem like the same thing to me : it's packaging up the project output for consumption by redistributors (and low-resource risk-averse orgs). That totally makes sense to me as a program - but I think calling it

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey, On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 11:50 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: The TC would bless the *mission statement* of the program rather than the specific set of projects implemented to reach that goal. This is a really nice way of putting it and you've captured a bunch of other stuff very well too.

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 13:14 -0400, Monty Taylor wrote: * Where would openstack/requirements fall ? I think openstack/requirements sits under oslo - although right now it's a joint-venture between oslo and infra. If you look at the Oslo mission statement(s):

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
Anne Gentle wrote: Dare I ask, what about TryStack? Infra seems to get a ton under it but that's where I'd place it if I had to state a preference. I'd see TryStack as a separate program, with the goal of maintaining an infrastructure that lets users play with OpenStack. That goal sounds a bit

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: [1] - ok, some caveats on what I mean by integrated release ... We're producing software for people who want to build clouds. A software product, for want of a better term. Right now, we say the official service projects (definition: a project which exposes a REST

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/25/2013 12:42 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Anne Gentle wrote: Dare I ask, what about TryStack? Infra seems to get a ton under it but that's where I'd place it if I had to state a preference. I'd see TryStack as a separate program, with the goal of maintaining an infrastructure that

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread James E. Blair
I like the programs idea and the direction this thread is going. As we reconsider the relationship of repos and programs to the OpenStack project, I think we should include one more aspect of taxonomy. We have several orgs on github related to openstack: openstack/ openstack-infra/

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
James E. Blair wrote: I propose that in the future, we adopt the following strategy: * Any repo associated with an official OpenStack program is entitled to use the openstack org. * Programs may request an org for their program, with justification, but in general we should limit the

[openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-24 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hi everyone, Official OpenStack projects are those under the oversight of the Technical Committee, and contributing to one grants you ATC status (which in turn you use to elect the Technical Committee members). The list of official projects used to be simple (Swift+Nova) but nowadays it is

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-24 Thread Mark Washenberger
Thanks for kicking off this discussion! I think the idea of programs has fantastic promise. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: Hi everyone, Official OpenStack projects are those under the oversight of the Technical Committee, and contributing to one

Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Programs

2013-06-24 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/24/2013 05:50 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, Official OpenStack projects are those under the oversight of the Technical Committee, and contributing to one grants you ATC status (which in turn you use to elect the Technical Committee members). The list of official projects