Re: [openstack-dev] Process for program without lead
Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: > On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 17:25 +, Hayes, Graham wrote: >> Quite often people will come forward in a vacuum - people who thought >> they were not right for the job, or felt that someone else would suit >> the role better can come forward in a by-election. (I only have >> anecdotal evidence for this, but it is first hand, based on other >> voluntary, self organising groups I have been part of, and run elections >> for over the years). >> >> I would suggest when nominations close with no candidates, they re-open >> immediately for one week, at with point, if there is no candidates I >> goes to the TC. > > While I think the point is valid, an alternate process would be for the > election coordinator(s) to point out the lack of candidates and issue a > reminder for the procedure a certain amount of time prior to the end of > the nomination period. Say, if no candidates have been put forward with > 3 days left in the nomination period, then the election coordinator > would send out the appropriate reminder email. I think this would have > the same effect as the one week re-open period without delaying the > election process. Also "delaying the elections for one week" puts additional stress on the design summit organization (the newly-elected PTL is responsible for organizing his program sessions there). Any solution that doesn't delay significantly the determination of the PTL should therefore be preferred. Note that if nobody showed up at the end of the nomination period, *anyone* placing their self-nomination email in the last minute would get automatically elected without an election having to happen. So I don't think it's completely crazy to let the TC take over the orphaned project and seek/encourage someone to fill the PTL shoes if nobody placed their nomination in the time allocated for it. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Process for program without lead
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 17:25 +, Hayes, Graham wrote: > Quite often people will come forward in a vacuum - people who thought > they were not right for the job, or felt that someone else would suit > the role better can come forward in a by-election. (I only have > anecdotal evidence for this, but it is first hand, based on other > voluntary, self organising groups I have been part of, and run elections > for over the years). > > I would suggest when nominations close with no candidates, they re-open > immediately for one week, at with point, if there is no candidates I > goes to the TC. While I think the point is valid, an alternate process would be for the election coordinator(s) to point out the lack of candidates and issue a reminder for the procedure a certain amount of time prior to the end of the nomination period. Say, if no candidates have been put forward with 3 days left in the nomination period, then the election coordinator would send out the appropriate reminder email. I think this would have the same effect as the one week re-open period without delaying the election process. -- Kevin L. Mitchell Rackspace ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Process for program without lead
On 17/11/14 16:46, Anita Kuno wrote: > On 11/17/2014 11:35 AM, Hayes, Graham wrote: >> On 17/11/14 16:18, Anita Kuno wrote: >>> In the last two elections there was a program that was in the last hours >>> of the nomination period before someone stepped up to lead. Currently >>> there is no process for how to address leadership for a program should >>> the nomination period expire without a someone stepping forward. I would >>> like to discuss this with the goal of having a process should this >>> situation arise. >>> >>> By way of kicking things off, I would like to propose the following process: >>> Should the nomination period expire and no PTL candidate has stepped >>> forward for the program in question, the program will be identified to >>> the TC by the election officials. >>> The TC can appoint a leadership candidate by mutual agreement of the >>> TC and the candidate in question. >>> The appointed candidate has all the same responsibilities and >>> obligations as a self-nominated, elected PTL. >>> >>> I welcome ideas and discussion on the above situation and proposed solution. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Anita. >>> >>> ___ >>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>> >> >> Would a by-election be an option - with the TC appointment being a last >> resort? I personally think as many options for a vote as possible is a >> good idea. Is there technical / administrative barriers to a by-election? > A by-election with whom? > > If noone came forward during the nomination period, why would there be > an expectation that someone would come forward during a nomination > period after the nomination period? Quite often people will come forward in a vacuum - people who thought they were not right for the job, or felt that someone else would suit the role better can come forward in a by-election. (I only have anecdotal evidence for this, but it is first hand, based on other voluntary, self organising groups I have been part of, and run elections for over the years). I would suggest when nominations close with no candidates, they re-open immediately for one week, at with point, if there is no candidates I goes to the TC. If the TC / Election Officials want to do extra outreach / promotion in that week, that might avoid the need for appointment. >> >> Also, something to consider - would the TC nomination be required to be >> an ATC in that Program? I assume that the TC would try and find a >> someone within the program, but if a program did not have anyone willing >> to be the PTL, should outside candidates be considered? > That is a good question. I have no proposal here. > >> >> I am not advocating yes or no on the second point, just putting it out >> for discussion. >> >> Graham > > Thanks for your thoughts Graham, > Anita. >> >> >> ___ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Process for program without lead
On 11/17/2014 11:45 AM, Anita Kuno wrote:
> On 11/17/2014 11:35 AM, Hayes, Graham wrote:
>> On 17/11/14 16:18, Anita Kuno wrote:
>>> In the last two elections there was a program that was in the last hours
>>> of the nomination period before someone stepped up to lead. Currently
>>> there is no process for how to address leadership for a program should
>>> the nomination period expire without a someone stepping forward. I would
>>> like to discuss this with the goal of having a process should this
>>> situation arise.
>>>
>>> By way of kicking things off, I would like to propose the following process:
>>> Should the nomination period expire and no PTL candidate has stepped
>>> forward for the program in question, the program will be identified to
>>> the TC by the election officials.
>>> The TC can appoint a leadership candidate by mutual agreement of the
>>> TC and the candidate in question.
>>> The appointed candidate has all the same responsibilities and
>>> obligations as a self-nominated, elected PTL.
>>>
>>> I welcome ideas and discussion on the above situation and proposed solution.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Anita.
>>>
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>>
>> Would a by-election be an option - with the TC appointment being a last
>> resort? I personally think as many options for a vote as possible is a
>> good idea. Is there technical / administrative barriers to a by-election?
> A by-election with whom?
>
> If noone came forward during the nomination period, why would there be
> an expectation that someone would come forward during a nomination
> period after the nomination period?
>>
>> Also, something to consider - would the TC nomination be required to be
>> an ATC in that Program? I assume that the TC would try and find a
>> someone within the program, but if a program did not have anyone willing
>> to be the PTL, should outside candidates be considered?
> That is a good question. I have no proposal here.
Let's not put any restrictions on who can be PTL in that case. This is
an exceptional situation and the TC has to take care of. Choosing
somebody from the program itself sounds like the first step but I
suggest to let the TC discuss the exact way forward in case of "PTL
orphaned programs",
Andreas
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Re: [openstack-dev] Process for program without lead
On 11/17/2014 11:35 AM, Hayes, Graham wrote: > On 17/11/14 16:18, Anita Kuno wrote: >> In the last two elections there was a program that was in the last hours >> of the nomination period before someone stepped up to lead. Currently >> there is no process for how to address leadership for a program should >> the nomination period expire without a someone stepping forward. I would >> like to discuss this with the goal of having a process should this >> situation arise. >> >> By way of kicking things off, I would like to propose the following process: >> Should the nomination period expire and no PTL candidate has stepped >> forward for the program in question, the program will be identified to >> the TC by the election officials. >> The TC can appoint a leadership candidate by mutual agreement of the >> TC and the candidate in question. >> The appointed candidate has all the same responsibilities and >> obligations as a self-nominated, elected PTL. >> >> I welcome ideas and discussion on the above situation and proposed solution. >> >> Thank you, >> Anita. >> >> ___ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> > > Would a by-election be an option - with the TC appointment being a last > resort? I personally think as many options for a vote as possible is a > good idea. Is there technical / administrative barriers to a by-election? A by-election with whom? If noone came forward during the nomination period, why would there be an expectation that someone would come forward during a nomination period after the nomination period? > > Also, something to consider - would the TC nomination be required to be > an ATC in that Program? I assume that the TC would try and find a > someone within the program, but if a program did not have anyone willing > to be the PTL, should outside candidates be considered? That is a good question. I have no proposal here. > > I am not advocating yes or no on the second point, just putting it out > for discussion. > > Graham Thanks for your thoughts Graham, Anita. > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] Process for program without lead
On 17/11/14 16:18, Anita Kuno wrote: > In the last two elections there was a program that was in the last hours > of the nomination period before someone stepped up to lead. Currently > there is no process for how to address leadership for a program should > the nomination period expire without a someone stepping forward. I would > like to discuss this with the goal of having a process should this > situation arise. > > By way of kicking things off, I would like to propose the following process: > Should the nomination period expire and no PTL candidate has stepped > forward for the program in question, the program will be identified to > the TC by the election officials. > The TC can appoint a leadership candidate by mutual agreement of the > TC and the candidate in question. > The appointed candidate has all the same responsibilities and > obligations as a self-nominated, elected PTL. > > I welcome ideas and discussion on the above situation and proposed solution. > > Thank you, > Anita. > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > Would a by-election be an option - with the TC appointment being a last resort? I personally think as many options for a vote as possible is a good idea. Is there technical / administrative barriers to a by-election? Also, something to consider - would the TC nomination be required to be an ATC in that Program? I assume that the TC would try and find a someone within the program, but if a program did not have anyone willing to be the PTL, should outside candidates be considered? I am not advocating yes or no on the second point, just putting it out for discussion. Graham ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] Process for program without lead
In the last two elections there was a program that was in the last hours of the nomination period before someone stepped up to lead. Currently there is no process for how to address leadership for a program should the nomination period expire without a someone stepping forward. I would like to discuss this with the goal of having a process should this situation arise. By way of kicking things off, I would like to propose the following process: Should the nomination period expire and no PTL candidate has stepped forward for the program in question, the program will be identified to the TC by the election officials. The TC can appoint a leadership candidate by mutual agreement of the TC and the candidate in question. The appointed candidate has all the same responsibilities and obligations as a self-nominated, elected PTL. I welcome ideas and discussion on the above situation and proposed solution. Thank you, Anita. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
