Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Dickinson wrote: I really like the Solution 2 proposal. There is also a Solution 3 variant: Everything is a program. Some programs produce an integrated/server piece, then that specific project (not the program that produces it) needs to go through incubation. That variant preserves the

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-02 Thread Robert Collins
On 2 July 2013 21:32, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Thierry Carrez wrote: 'OpenStack Programs' are efforts which are essential to the completion of our mission. Programs can create any code repository and produce any deliverable they deem necessary to achieve their goals.

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-02 Thread Monty Taylor
On 07/02/2013 05:46 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 2 July 2013 21:32, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org mailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote: Thierry Carrez

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-01 Thread Mark McLoughlin
Hey Thierry I actually didn't notice this go by last week, the other thread got all the attention. On Wed, 2013-06-26 at 14:51 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, Yesterday at the TC meeting we agreed that as a first step to establishing programs, we should have a basic definition of

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-01 Thread John Dickinson
On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Hey Thierry I actually didn't notice this go by last week, the other thread got all the attention. On Wed, 2013-06-26 at 14:51 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Hi everyone, Yesterday at the TC meeting we agreed that as

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-01 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: 'OpenStack Programs' are efforts which are essential to the completion of our mission, but which do not produce deliverables included in the common release of OpenStack 'integrated' projects every 6 months, like Projects do. Hmm, this wasn't what I understood our

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-01 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2013-07-01 at 18:46 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: 'OpenStack Programs' are efforts which are essential to the completion of our mission, but which do not produce deliverables included in the common release of OpenStack 'integrated' projects every 6 months,

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: Basic definition of OpenStack Programs and first batch

2013-07-01 Thread Thierry Carrez
Thierry Carrez wrote: What would be your alternate definition ? Let me see if I can answer myself :) I think we have two ways forward. Solution (1) is to make Programs and Projects separate entities, where Projects would be the teams which end up producing at least one integrated thing (as in: